Brandon Beane on WGR

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yup I was arguing with people on here that having two legit WRs is a key component to being a Super Bowl team. Eventually we regressed as a fanbase and I was trying to convince people that having ONE was important. I don't really understand what happened there but at least we've woken up from that collective fever dream.

Too many bought into the stupid everyone eats mantra and thought that meant the people eating needed to be leftover jags other teams wouldn’t put on their practice squads

[TheFunPolice]

IMO McDermotts camp is subtly hinting that he has actually wanted WRs all along. If you notice this is becoming a veiled talking point in local media and even Sal has hinted at McDermott wanting more at the WR spot. 

 

When that happens there is something going on. 

Edited 1 hour ago by TheFunPolice

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 minute ago, NeverOutNick said:

Too many bought into the stupid everyone eats mantra and thought that meant the people eating needed to be leftover jags other teams wouldn’t put on their practice squads

I'm actually a fan of the everyone eats philosophy. I'm a believer that weekly, you need to distribute passes to everyone. Keep the defense guessing and not be able to clamp down on one or two guys.

 

Our issue is that, while everyone is welcome to the table no one brought their appetite. We bring in guys that go to the steak house, order BBQ chicken and get filled up on rolls. We need at least one (preferably two) guys that bring their appetite and clear their plates. 

[TheFunPolice]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yup I was arguing with people on here that having two legit WRs is a key component to being a Super Bowl team. Eventually we regressed as a fanbase and I was trying to convince people that having ONE was important. I don't really understand what happened there but at least we've woken up from that collective fever dream.

 

The team posted Mangia! On social media on trade deadline day.

 

Beane seemed mad after not making a trade but maybe it was because he took offense to the idea that a WR was needed and was irritated about that. 

 

I'm not sure what's going on but it seems there is a schism forming between Beane and McDermott.

 

Was this build truly a shared vision and now Beane is getting thrown under the bus for what was a shared philosophy? 

Edited 1 hour ago by TheFunPolice

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yup I was arguing with people on here that having two legit WRs is a key component to being a Super Bowl team. Eventually we regressed as a fanbase and I was trying to convince people that having ONE was important. I don't really understand what happened there but at least we've woken up from that collective fever dream.

 

That's the drawback of having someone like Josh.  He covers up so many warts, it can create a false sense of security.  The problem has always been there and it has just gotten worse, but the play of the Alien got people to buy into the nonsense the front office was peddling that this team could win a championship with receivers who look as pathetic as they did on Thursday.

 

[NeverOutNick]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

I'm actually a fan of the everyone eats philosophy. I'm a believer that weekly, you need to distribute passes to everyone. Keep the defense guessing and not be able to clamp down on one or two guys.

 

Our issue is that, while everyone is welcome to the table no one brought their appetite. We bring in guys that go to the steak house, order BBQ chicken and get filled up on rolls. We need at least one (preferably two) guys that bring their appetite and clear their plates. 

Cool analogy and yes nothing wrong with “everyone eats” but like I said the people eating suck. Draft a bunch of college kids with talent that are hungry to eat not losers from other teams who aren’t even hungry or better yet don’t know how to pick up their silverware to eat in the first place lol

[TheFunPolice]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I'm actually a fan of the everyone eats philosophy. I'm a believer that weekly, you need to distribute passes to everyone. Keep the defense guessing and not be able to clamp down on one or two guys.

 

Our issue is that, while everyone is welcome to the table no one brought their appetite. We bring in guys that go to the steak house, order BBQ chicken and get filled up on rolls. We need at least one (preferably two) guys that bring their appetite and clear their plates. 

 

The Rams do everybody eats except those guys are actually good. 

 

In fact, almost any good offense you can think of is everybody eats.

 

The problem is without talent nobody eats. 

[JBI$111]

We need two very good wide receivers and Beane should have been drafting them every year since Josh Allen got here so we had a great wide receiver room on cost control contracts rather than overpaying with pedestrian mediocre has been from other teams in free agency. It's one of the most expensive positions and drafting talented rookies every year and developing them would have helped.

 

For everyone to eat, there has to be food on the table and with the collection of mostly crap that he acquires in free agency, none can find the plate.

Edited 1 hour ago by JBI$111

[HappyDays]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

 

That's the drawback of having someone like Josh.  He covers up so many warts, it can create a false sense of security.  The problem has always been there and it has just gotten worse, but the play of the Alien got people to buy into the nonsense the front office was peddling that this team could win a championship with receivers who look as pathetic as they did on Thursday.

 

 

My perception is that a lot of Bills fans just don't watch too much of other teams. That's where you get people saying things like Shakir is a top tier slot WR, or Allen missing a couple reads over the course of a game means he is responsible for the loss. They don't realize how much higher the margin of error is for other offenses because they are stacked with talent and/or offensive coaching. Beane of course should know better. It's shocking that a multimillionaire paid to build an NFL franchise could mismanage such an important position this badly.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

The Rams do everybody eats except those guys are actually good. 

 

In fact, almost any good offense you can think of is everybody eats.

 

The problem is without talent nobody eats. 

Without talent it goes from everybody eats to Josh gets killed. 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

My perception is that a lot of Bills fans just don't watch too much of other teams. That's where you get people saying things like Shakir is a top tier slot WR, or Allen missing a couple reads over the course of a game means he is responsible for the loss. They don't realize how much higher the margin of error is for other offenses because they are stacked with talent and/or offensive coaching. Beane of course should know better. It's shocking that a multimillionaire paid to build an NFL franchise could mismanage such an important position this badly.

I saw Bengals fans say they “need” a WR like Shakir to complement Chase and Higgins.  
 

Thats what he is, a complimentary player.
 

Im beyond sick of certain podcasters trying to tell us he has Cole Beasley potential.   He does not.  
 

He has a very specific skillset that is useful.   Line him up in the slot and backfield like Deebo.  
 

WR3/4 type.
 

We have him as our primary slot, which I believe is actually a hinderance on the potential of our Offense and what we can get out of the slot.   

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

My perception is that a lot of Bills fans just don't watch too much of other teams. That's where you get people saying things like Shakir is a top tier slot WR, or Allen missing a couple reads over the course of a game means he is responsible for the loss. They don't realize how much higher the margin of error is for other offenses because they are stacked with talent and/or offensive coaching. Beane of course should know better. It's shocking that a multimillionaire paid to build an NFL franchise could mismanage such an important position this badly.

I'm so frustrated with this front office right now, I'm honestly conflicted if I even want to see them in the playoffs because a playoff birth probably means business as usual and not much is going to change in the offseason.  I just don't see a deep playoff run and a ring is a pipe dream even if we miraculously got to the SB.

 

 

[zow2]

Beane went cheaper on the WRs but intended on building up the D.  The problem now is that the D kinda sucks and you have an awful WR room besides Shakir.

[BuffaloRebound]

It’s not just WR.  The LB and secondary room is almost as bad.  Beane is to blame but so is McDermott, who trots out washed up guys who he’s familiar with.  Both of them need to go.  They’re both above average at their jobs, but we need great to go along with our QB.    Does Terry have it in him to dump above average to go for great?  

Edited 55 minutes ago by BuffaloRebound

[JBI$111]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Thats data over 10 season avg. It likely changes overtime as the NFL cycles, but you wont see a change in the data for years. For instance, 5 years from now WR might move up the list or maybe Edge moves up the list. I doubt that list is the same 10 years from now.

 

Yeah, well the problem is Beane couldn't pick an edge rusher to save his life! How many years has he put a huge amount of capital in the defensive line and edge rush positions to come away with zero star players!?

 

 

[BillsPride12]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

Beane went cheaper on the WRs but intended on building up the D.  The problem now is that the D kinda sucks and you have an awful WR room besides Shakir.

That's a huge part of the problem. If our Defense actually looked like Houston, Denver or the Rams people would be alot more lenient on the WR room being a disaster.

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I'm so frustrated with this front office right now, I'm honestly conflicted if I even want to see them in the playoffs because a playoff birth probably means business as usual and not much is going to change in the offseason.

 

Yeah I've just about gotten there myself. I mean I'm still hoping they win every game, you'll never catch me rooting against the Bills. But if we lose enough games to miss the playoffs it's not gonna bother me as long as it forces the necessary changes. Mentally I have already written off this year.

[NeverOutNick]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

Beane went cheaper on the WRs but intended on building up the D.  The problem now is that the D kinda sucks and you have an awful WR room besides Shakir.

He didn’t even “go cheaper” he just completely missed on Samuel and Palmer and his one draft pick, Coleman is a dud. He should’ve took multiple “cheap” shots in the draft instead of all the swings and misses on the defensive line (Carter over Troy Franklin, sanders over burden, even passing multiple times on late round picks like Horton and Tez Johnson)

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Rams/Patriots super bowl. Book it.

 

And a hotter take? Bills miss the playoffs 

 

Rams/Ravens 

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

It’s not just WR.  The LB and secondary room is almost as bad.  Beane is to blame but so is McDermott, who trots out washed up guys who he’s familiar with.  Both of them need to go.  They’re both above average at their jobs, but we need great to go along with our QB.    Does Terry have it in him to dump above average to go for great?  

I’m not convinced Beane is above average anymore. 
 

The rapid rate at which this roster has deteriorated is a shock to the system.

 

His recent extensions, Cook aside, look awful. 
 

We have an insane amount of money tied up in aging/oft-injured players who are liabilities on the field.  
 

His Drafts have been mediocre at best. 
 

OL is his redeeming quality outside picking JA, but who knows if that’s even him.. might be 90% Aaron Kromer. 
 

We all knew Basham would bust.  Fans didnt want Keon.  Fans questioned Elam’s fit.  We all knew Samuel would be hurt all the time.   Landon Jackson has an extensive injury history.  Same with Bosa. Hoecht coming off PED’s which historically lends itself to greater injury risk. 
 

It’s like they’re addicted to injury prone players.  
 

Josh likes to throw to separators at WR, so we will give almost none of that plus an insane amount of investment at TE.

I feel like I’m describing self sabotage, not an above average GM.  

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Rams/Ravens 

 

If Lamar gets healthy, maybe.. but I feel like people saying this haven’t watched them. 
 

Their Offense, and Lamar specifically, look terrible.  Worse than ours.