Billzgobowlin Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 12:57 AM, Charles Romes said: Based on the success of his limited targets, cooper has forced defenses to cover the boundaries. That’s a primary function of a 1. Expand Perfectly said Quote
artmalibu Posted January 25 Posted January 25 To say he is no Megatron doesn't mean much... IMO there is no WR in the game now that is. Quote
Wizard Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) I am not sure why there is a debate on this topic. Here are the facts. 1. Shakir is a good/very good receiver, but he is not a #1. 2. The Bills do have some fairly good pieces in Coleman, Higgins, and Samuel. 3. Regardless of one's opinion on Shakir, we need another quality receiver in this draft with one of our top 3 picks and/or a trade. We probably do not get a #1 receiver in awhile as there are only about 8-12 of them at a time. Edited January 25 by Wizard Quote
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 12:17 AM, dayman said: I hear this a lot this week, in particular, as the football world focuses on our game. It’s usally said as a positive. But the question is—when will everyone (including us) just acknowledge that Khalil Shakir is our number 1 and a legit number 1? He’s no Megatron and we spread the ball but I think he’s good enough for us, and good enough period, that this should be considered an insult to him. Expand He's a slot receiver one of the better ones in the NFL but not the best. Quote
WotAGuy Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 12:59 AM, Wizard said: I am not sure why there is a debate on this topic. Here are the facts. 1. Shakir is a good/very good receiver, but he is not a #1 2. The Bills do have some fairly good pieces in Coleman, Higgins, and Samuel. 3. Regardless of one's opinion on Shakir, we need another quality receiver in this draft with one of our fop 3 picks and/or a trade. Alright...now let's move along. Expand Before we move along….Higgins? 1 Quote
iccrewman112 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Amon-Ra St. Brown takes the majority of his snaps from the slot. 1 Quote
Billzgobowlin Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 12:53 AM, NewEra said: Edelman out targeted gronk every season by a fair amount. what’s a #1 WR? some say it an X that plays outside and get lots of targets able to beat man coverage on the reg. neither Edelman nor Gronk were that. If a team has neither, I’d have to say the #1 was the guy that got the most targets. That was Edelman. Doesn’t hurt that he’s an actual WR and not a TE- but that’s not my reasoning. Having multiple guys that a defense has to focus on rather than one guy that can be doubled and taken out of the game plan. It may be difficult to amass the talent capable of this if you don’t have the proper QB- but we do, so I’m not sweating it. The progressions are similar to my favorite Guru (Gangstarr) lyrics- “ex girl to the next girl”. Expand That's not accurate but for sake of argument Gronk had significantly more yardage. But by that same logic Welker far caught more receptions than Moss and got more yardage. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:04 AM, Billzgobowlin said: That's not accurate but for sake of argument Gronk had significantly more yardage. But by that same logic Welker far caught more receptions than Moss and got more yardage. Expand That's because gronkowski is more dominant lol But Julian Edelman got more Targets therefore top target Gronkowski is just better Quote
Billzgobowlin Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 12:59 AM, Wizard said: I am not sure why there is a debate on this topic. Here are the facts. 1. Shakir is a good/very good receiver, but he is not a #1 2. The Bills do have some fairly good pieces in Coleman, Higgins, and Samuel. 3. Regardless of one's opinion on Shakir, we need another quality receiver in this draft with one of our fop 3 picks and/or a trade. Alright...now let's move along. Expand Maybe Coleman can be that guy. He has to keep refining his craft though. I believe Higgins you meant Hollins On 1/25/2025 at 1:06 AM, Buffalo716 said: That's because gronkowski is more dominant lol But Julian Edelman got more Targets therefore top target Gronkowski is just better Expand So not the #1 anymore just most receptions.... interesting Quote
Buffalo716 Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) On 1/25/2025 at 1:06 AM, Billzgobowlin said: Maybe Coleman can be that guy. He has to keep refining his craft though. I believe Higgins you meant Hollins So not the #1 anymore just most receptions.... interesting Expand The whole point was there are slot guys who have been the number one option If you get the most targets on your team you are the top option That's not the debatable even if Rob gronkowski is better Julian Edelman was the number one option multiple times for the Patriots Edited January 25 by Buffalo716 Quote
Billzgobowlin Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:08 AM, Buffalo716 said: The whole point was there are slot guys who have been the number one option If you get the most targets on your team you are the top option That's not the debatable even if Rob gronkowski is better Julian Edelman was the number one option multiple times for the Patriots Expand So in 2018 the #1 receiver for the Patriots was James White, not Edelman or Gronk, is that what you are saying? 1 Quote
Saint Doug Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) On 1/25/2025 at 12:59 AM, Wizard said: I am not sure why there is a debate on this topic. Here are the facts. 1. Shakir is a good/very good receiver, but he is not a #1 2. The Bills do have some fairly good pieces in Coleman, Higgins, and Samuel. 3. Regardless of one's opinion on Shakir, we need another quality receiver in this draft with one of our fop 3 picks and/or a trade. Alright...now let's move along. Expand Um, Coleman? Samuel? Even Shakir? There’s a WR on the Bills roster with more TDs than any of them. Edit: as another poster pointed out, you may have meant Hollins. Shows how little respect we have for him. He’ll have a TD this Sunday night. Edited January 25 by Saint Doug Quote
NewEra Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:04 AM, Billzgobowlin said: That's not accurate but for sake of argument Gronk had significantly more yardage. But by that same logic Welker far caught more receptions than Moss and got more yardage. Expand Is it not? When becoming a full time starter in 2013, his 16 game averages: 104 rec, 1132 yards, 6tds. If he had played full 16 game seasons, it puts him at totals of 728 rec, 7924 yards, 42 TDs from 2013-2019. From 2013-2019, those totals would put him 1st among WRs in receptions, 4th in yards, tied for 7th in TDs. Now, lets look at his playoff 16 game averages from 2013-2018: 131 rec, 1645 yards, 3 TDs. Those totals from 2013-2018. would be: 786 rec, 9870 yards, 18 TDs. From 2013-2018, those numbers would place him 1st in receptions, 1st in yards, 55th for TDs. Not to mention, he is 2nd all time postseason receptions and yards, only to Jerry Rice. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/zMwNkimKtK He wasn’t an X (and neither was Gronk) but he was a focal point of the offense- looking at those numbers- Gronk was the superior talent- but Edelman was a focal point- I don’t think they had one focal point. Quote
mbs Posted January 25 Posted January 25 Love Shakir, but no. I think this team still needs a better receiver. I think they can win it all, but it is definitely a liability. "Efficient" is nice but it's also pretty close to cope. I think the injuries that have plagued them in the playoffs past have led the organization to prefer excellent but not elite starters and very good depth over elite starters and bad backups, particularly on oline and defense, but it looks like that at skill positions too. Their arguably league top 5-10 players are Dawkins, Brown, Cook, Benford, and Bernard who are, apart from Dawkins, draft picks that are on rookie deals or got locked up at what looks like a great value. Even Dawkins is maybe a bargain. I think that's a strategy, but I gotta believe --hope-- they would break the bank for a Justin Jefferson if they could. (Or Garrett/Crosby. . . please.) Quote
Billzgobowlin Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:15 AM, NewEra said: Is it not? When becoming a full time starter in 2013, his 16 game averages: 104 rec, 1132 yards, 6tds. If he had played full 16 game seasons, it puts him at totals of 728 rec, 7924 yards, 42 TDs from 2013-2019. From 2013-2019, those totals would put him 1st among WRs in receptions, 4th in yards, tied for 7th in TDs. Now, lets look at his playoff 16 game averages from 2013-2018: 131 rec, 1645 yards, 3 TDs. Those totals from 2013-2018. would be: 786 rec, 9870 yards, 18 TDs. From 2013-2018, those numbers would place him 1st in receptions, 1st in yards, 55th for TDs. Not to mention, he is 2nd all time postseason receptions and yards, only to Jerry Rice. https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/zMwNkimKtK He wasn’t an X (and neither was Gronk) but he was a focal point of the offense- looking at those numbers- Gronk was the superior talent- but Edelman was a focal point- I don’t think they had one focal point. Expand Cherry picking stats. Don't forget 2011 and 2012. Also how many games was Gronk out. Quote
NewEra Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:12 AM, Billzgobowlin said: So in 2018 the #1 receiver for the Patriots was James White, not Edelman or Gronk, is that what you are saying? Expand You apparently aren’t taking targets per game into the equation- not factoring in Edelman time missed as the reason White led the team Edelman- 9 targets per game White- 7.6 but whatever floats your boat to prove your point Quote
Billzgobowlin Posted January 25 Posted January 25 On 1/25/2025 at 1:18 AM, mbs said: Love Shakir, but no. I think this team still needs a better receiver. I think they can win it all, but it is definitely a liability. "Efficient" is nice but it's also pretty close to cope. I think the injuries that have plagued them in the playoffs past have led the organization to prefer excellent but not elite starters and very good depth over elite starters and bad backups, particularly on oline and defense, but it looks like that at skill positions too. Their arguably league top 5-10 players are Dawkins, Brown, Cook, Benford, and Bernard who are, apart from Dawkins, draft picks that are on rookie deals or got locked up at what looks like a great value. Even Dawkins is maybe a bargain. I think that's a strategy, but I gotta believe --hope-- they would break the bank for a Justin Jefferson if they could. (Or Garrett/Crosby. . . please.) Expand I think the players on offense can work as long as Samuel shows his old self. I do agree better receivers would be nice though Quote
Bills!Win! Posted January 25 Posted January 25 I'm really starting to love this WR room . We quietly got better 1 6 Quote
Billzgobowlin Posted January 25 Posted January 25 (edited) On 1/25/2025 at 1:19 AM, NewEra said: You apparently aren’t taking targets per game into the equation- not factoring in Edelman time missed as the reason White led the team Edelman- 9 targets per game White- 7.6 but whatever floats your boat to prove your point Expand LOL. Go back and factor per game on Gronk then. Might hurt your argument. To say Edelman is the number one target is crazy when Gronk was on the team. Edited January 25 by Billzgobowlin Quote
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