Kelly to Allen Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) On 1/11/2025 at 1:03 AM, Mr. WEO said: Who are they and what did they erase? Expand Institutions dictate the consciousness and the masses repeat it. All ppl will remember is Allen had no first team all pros or MVPs and if he can even break through once and win a championship it's not going to be remembered in history outside of buffalo. He'll be in the Hof but it will be remembered like If rivers won one super bowl... Incredible amounts of historical equity is lost. He won't be mentioned with the all time greats Edited January 11 by Kelly to Allen 2 1 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 1:49 AM, klos63 said: A lot to unpack here. But how do you know 'the media' hate the Bills and Buffalo? I guess if you ignore the praise the team gets and the praise the fan base gets, yeah, you're right. The racism call is ridiculous. Lamar is absolutely deserving of the mvp this season, so it's Allen. Are the Allen voters racist for not selecting Lamar. The voting hasn't taken place yet and you're whining about it. If Allen wins, will you take back this all back? Expand I believe all votes were submitted on Wednesday. Quote
GoBills808 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 1:50 AM, Buffalo716 said: It's not going to hurt his legacy Josh Allen has already punched his ticket to a first ballot Hall of Fame .. the media's legacy is moot Expand You realize who votes people into the Hall of Fame, right? Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) On 1/11/2025 at 1:54 AM, GoBills808 said: You realize who votes people into the Hall of Fame, right? Expand That's another problem. God forbid Allen doesn't win a super bowl or ever get to one. Again don't underestimate the damage done today, and it was done on purpose.... It's not a lock he's going in the Hof without a super bowl win. And it really pisses me off Edited January 11 by Kelly to Allen 2 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 1:43 AM, Kelly to Allen said: Purposefully using revisionist history in any context to erase the truth in the past. It's applicable outside sports too It's just sad man. Ppl really don't understand how much of Allen's historical legacy took a hit today. Expand Truth cannot be "erased". What part of Josh's legacy was "erased"? Be specific. Quote
Punch Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 1:56 AM, Kelly to Allen said: That's another problem. God forbid Allen doesn't win a super bowl or ever get to one. Again don't underestimate the damage done today, and it was done on purpose.... It's not a lock he's going in the Hof without a super bowl win. And it really pisses me off Expand 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 1:50 AM, Buffalo716 said: It's not going to hurt his legacy Josh Allen has already punched his ticket to a first ballot Hall of Fame .. the media's legacy is moot Expand Dude I'm not in the mood. It hurts his legacy in a massive way today unless he can win a couple Superbowls His Hof case is absolutely not there necessarily depending on how things go , how long his career is and if he like I said God forbid he can't get to the super bowl It's frickin terrible. On 1/11/2025 at 1:58 AM, Mr. WEO said: Truth cannot be "erased". What part of Josh's legacy was "erased"? Be specific. Expand Truth is erased all the time dude. Stop being naive Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 1:53 AM, Kelly to Allen said: Institutions dictate the consciousness and the masses repeat it. All ppl will remember is Allen had no first team all pros or MVPs and if he can even break through once and win a championship it's not going to be remembered in history outside of buffalo. He'll be in the Hof but it will be remembered like If rivers won one super bowl... Incredible amounts of historical equity is lost. He won't be mentioned with the all time greats Expand "he'll be in the HOF"...but "he won't be mentioned among the all time greats"? lol. what institution led you to type those 2 statements in the same post? 1 Quote
Big Blitz Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Put Mitch at QB for both teams. What’s each team's record? Bills: 4-13 Ravens: 8-9 1 Quote
klos63 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 1:53 AM, MikePJ76 said: I believe all votes were submitted on Wednesday. Expand Do you know the results? Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 2:04 AM, Mr. WEO said: "he'll be in the HOF"...but "he won't be mentioned among the all time greats"? lol. what institution led you to type those 2 statements in the same post? Expand Really? Nobody talks about Warren Moon or Phillip Rivers if Rivers gets in. He won't be ranked among the greats unless things change. At this point he's going to need 2 super bowl victories Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 2:04 AM, Kelly to Allen said: Dude I'm not in the mood. It hurts his legacy in a massive way today unless he can win a couple Superbowls His Hof case is absolutely not there necessarily depending on how things go , how long his career is and if he like I said God forbid he can't get to the super bowl It's frickin terrible. Truth is erased all the time dude. Stop being naive Expand So all of Josh Allen's body of work in the NFL to this point was just erased by getting 2nd team AP (his first AP naming, by the way)? How did "they" do that? Have they erased it from your memory as well or were you able to somehow protect these memories from the "institutions" that stole from the rest of use rubes? Quote
Buffalo716 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 1:54 AM, GoBills808 said: You realize who votes people into the Hall of Fame, right? Expand There's not MVPs in the Hall of Fame lol That's not the criteria technically.. Josh has plenty of accolades Quote
Ralonzo Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 1:43 AM, Kelly to Allen said: Purposefully using revisionist history in any context to erase the truth in the past. It's applicable outside sports too It's just sad man. Ppl really don't understand how much of Allen's historical legacy took a hit today. Expand Honestly, 1st team All-Pro, you have a very justifiable argument for Lamar. At his position, he or Burrow probably had the best season. You can argue Allen at 2nd team is a stretch even, and the Bills could very easily have 0 All-Pros. Counting stats are a big thing for this. For MVP though, it's Allen by every historical standard. I don't care 1st team QB has always been MVP. If that's the standard then MVP means nothing. Lamar arguably isn't most valuable player on his team. Burrow might be, but did that get the Bengals to the playoffs? Then how much was that worth? 3 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 2:04 AM, Kelly to Allen said: Dude I'm not in the mood. It hurts his legacy in a massive way today unless he can win a couple Superbowls His Hof case is absolutely not there necessarily depending on how things go , how long his career is and if he like I said God forbid he can't get to the super bowl It's frickin terrible. Truth is erased all the time dude. Stop being naive Expand Well I know plenty of football people in the football media and his legacy is not in doubt How they voted for the MVP is not criteria for HoF... Josh has plenty of accolades , records etc The criteria isn't MVP... His legacy was not hurt Josh Allen will tell you he doesn't care if he wins one MVP and he doesn't... His legacy is not dependent on that 1 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 2:07 AM, Kelly to Allen said: Really? Nobody talks about Warren Moon or Phillip Rivers if Rivers gets in. He won't be ranked among the greats unless things change. At this point he's going to need 2 super bowl victories Expand Warren Moon retired 24 years ago. Who would be talking about him now? Who's talking about Fouts or Tarkington or Johnny Unitas anymore? Jim Kelly had one AP1 and zero SB wins--he's talked about in upstate NY, but hardly anywhere else. He wasn't among the "greatest" ever. So what? Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) On 1/11/2025 at 2:09 AM, Mr. WEO said: So all of Josh Allen's body of work in the NFL to this point was just erased by getting 2nd team AP (his first AP naming, by the way)? How did "they" do that? Have they erased it from your memory as well or were you able to somehow protect these memories from the "institutions" that stole from the rest of use rubes? Expand Is Phillip Rivers getting in the Hof? I don't know Moon did make it but nobody remembers him or ranks him with the all time greats. Marino had one MVP and a super bowl appearance. If Marino didn't have neither he would be in the rivers tier of QBs. It matters what institutions say I don't want to argue because I'm pretty pissed off. Let's hope this playoff is his coronation Edited January 11 by Kelly to Allen Quote
Mr. WEO Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 2:15 AM, Kelly to Allen said: Is Phillip Rivers getting in the Hof? I don't know Moon did make it but nobody remembers him or ranks him with the all time greats. Marino had one MVP and a super bowl appearance. I don't want to argue because I'm pretty pissed off. Let's hope this playoff is his coronation Expand what point are you making with Rivers? If the gets in or not...so what? You already said Josh will get in. If Josh never plays in a SB, he can't be considered one of the "best ever". I don't need an "institution" to hold that opinion. Quote
ChrisWatson#21 Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) On 1/11/2025 at 2:04 AM, Kelly to Allen said: Dude I'm not in the mood. It hurts his legacy in a massive way today unless he can win a couple Superbowls His Hof case is absolutely not there necessarily depending on how things go , how long his career is and if he like I said God forbid he can't get to the super bowl It's frickin terrible. Truth is erased all the time dude. Stop being naive Expand Relax dude. First of all Allen is going to win MVP. Second, Jackson had a monster season individually it's why he got the All Pro nod. You can't have a great season like his and lose top Pro Bowl selection, MVP and All Pro he had to get something for his great season. Third Dan Fouts never won a SB and he is in the HOF and Drew Brees never won MVP although he did win a SB. Point is JA is hall of famer no matter the outcome because he will finish first in franchise passing yards, passing TD's, first in rushing TD's and very likely to pass Fred Jackson in rushing yards ranking third only behind Thurman and O.J. I'm very confident Josh is going to be MVP I will be here to eat my crow if he doesn't. Edited January 11 by ChrisWatson#21 Quote
ganesh Posted January 11 Posted January 11 On 1/11/2025 at 1:50 AM, Buffalo716 said: It's not going to hurt his legacy Josh Allen has already punched his ticket to a first ballot Hall of Fame .. the media's legacy is moot Expand Be careful - These AP reporters are also the HoF voters. Quote
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