Mack Hollins is a National Treasure!!

[BillsFanForever19]

19 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's a deceiving contract.  It's basically a one year contract that counts about $4m against the cap for one season.  Then only $750k in dead money if you cut him after this season.  He can get an extra $1m in incentives based on how many catches he makes.  I don't think the Bills would agree to those same incentives kind of pointing to my belief that he thinks he'd have more playing time with the Pats then here.

 

I'd have at least matched that contract if I was Beane instead of paying E. Moore $2.5m.  I know we're always tight against the cap but it's at most only $1.5m more expensive to have signed Hollins.  Then just eating $750k next year in dead cap if you wanted to move on from him.

 

Like you said though, it's ultimately the playing time. He really overachieved for us last season. Which was great for him. But at the end of the day, I don't think the Bills really wanted him playing as big of a role as he did for us. It was more of a necessity due to injuries and Coleman not lighting it up right out of the gate. 

 

That's why they signed Palmer. And with him, Shakir, Coleman, Samuel, and Kincaid he'd be taking a step back from the role he had last year - unless there were injuries again.

 

And for that 5th spot, I think they wanted someone who could stretch the field situationally for us. Mack doesn't provide that. I believe they thought they were going to Draft a speed guy by Round 5 - but the board just kept falling Defense in Rounds 2-4 and there wasn't really anything of value left by Round 5. So they pivoted and signed Moore. 1 yr, 2.5m guaranteed was probably their ceiling.

 

I don't think Mack wanted the role he'd have, I don't think they wanted Mack for that role bc of his lack of speed, or to pay 3.5m guaranteed, up to 8.4m on a 2 yr deal for that role. Palmer really spelled the end for Hollins.

Edited 12 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Like you said though, it's ultimately the playing time. He really overachieved for us last season. Which was great for him. But at the end of the day, I don't think the Bills really wanted him playing as big of a role as he did for us. It was more of a necessity due to injuries and Coleman not lighting it up right out of the gate. 

 

That's why they signed Palmer. And with him, Shakir, Coleman, Samuel, and Kincaid he'd be taking a step back from the role he had last year - unless there were injuries again.

 

And for that 5th spot, I think they wanted someone who could stretch the field situationally for us. Mack doesn't provide that. I believe they thought they were going to Draft a speed guy by Round 5 - but the board just kept falling Defense in Rounds 2-4 and there wasn't really anything of value left by Round 5. So they pivoted and signed Moore. 1 yr, 2.5m guaranteed was probably their ceiling.

 

I don't think Mack wanted the role he'd have, I don't think they wanted Mack for that role bc of his lack of speed, or to pay 3.5m guaranteed, up to 8.4m on a 2 yr deal for that role. Palmer really spelled the end for Hollins.

Makes sense to some degree. I’d say Palmer took Cooper’s role and with Samuel playing better at the end of the year, his targets would go down. Obviously the Bills want Coleman to get more targets too. All that said, he probably has better stats as 4/5th WR with Allen than whatever he ends up at with the Patriots. Last year with Allen was more productive than he has been in almost all other years with lesser QBs.

[NewEra]

14 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I'd want to play at a place where I wasn't standing on the sideline as much.  I know they get paid either way but when I used to play sports I hated riding the pine.

Standing on the sideline as much?  He led our WRs in snaps

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Again, it comes down to money and role. A 31 year old journeyman WR who overachieved the year before is going to want to cash in. We paid him 2.6m last year. Having someone sign you for multiple years for up to 8.4m is a big jump.

 

Good team or bad team, no 31 year old WR is going to pass up more money and a bigger role for less money and a smaller role. This could be Mack's last contract.

As i stated previously 

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Elijah Moore isn't his replacement. They're different kind of players. Josh Palmer was brought in to be a more talented version of what Mack was and with a bigger role than Mack had. He moves Keon to the Z, with Shakir in the Slot and Samuel (who I'd expect they plan on having a bigger role this year) moved all around.

 

Ultimately, between Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, Samuel, and Kincaid (also out of the Slot) - I don't think whomever is WR5 is going to have much of a role.

 

And honestly, I don't think they expected to use Hollins as much as they did. Between Samuel's Turf Toe to start the year, Coleman not being gangbusters out of the gate (and then being injured), and then Cooper getting injured almost immediately - he was pushed into having a bigger role than they anticipated.

 

Bc of that, New England offered him a 2 year, 8.4m deal and a bigger role than he'd have here. I don't think they wanted to pay that for the small role of WR5, I don't think he wanted the smaller role he'd have here after we signed Palmer, and I think they wanted a speed element in the WR game (which Mack doesn't provide).

 

He was a great locker room guy and a fun presence on the team. But they wanted an upgrade in talent on the Outside, as well as some speed as well. It really didn't make sense for either side for him to return. He'll have a bigger role and be paid better in New England.

Yes- I know all of this.  My point is that IT’s MY OPINION, that we’re going to miss what he brings to the table and he should’ve paid him-  because we paid a malcontent that can’t block (or likely play ST) 1M less gtd.  
 

I’m happy that we added some speed with Moore.  I think Hollins is better for our team.