Kelly to Allen Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:00 PM, GoBills808 said: What is tough to say? That Lamar isn't a first ballot hall of famer? I think that's almost certain at this point Expand The AP is telling everyone that Lamar is better than Montana. That's fundamentally what they're saying More ironic, they're saying he's better than mahomes... You figure it out. Because I can't 5 1 Quote
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:07 PM, Buryravens said: Rodgers was a different animal, he put up numbers like Lamar this year on the regular. JA needs to keep his picks down and keep his tds up. Lamar just had a PR year of 119, it’s really tough to compare against the 04 Manning 20/11 Aaron and now 24 Lamar numbers. Expand Rodgers had much fewer regular season turnovers, but everything else is comparable. Especially playoffs Quote
GoBills808 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:08 PM, Kelly to Allen said: The AP is telling everyone that Lamar is better than Montana. That's fundamentally what they're saying More ironic, they're saying he's better than mahomes... You figure it out. Because I can't Expand I don't care so much about what they're saying about Lamar tbh. I like Lamar. It's what they refuse to acknowledge about Allen that I don't understand. It seems impossible to have the kind of production he does and nothing to show for it. Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:08 PM, Mikie2times said: After 7 seasons he had 18 TD and 15 INT's in the playoffs. His Super Bowl Year he had 3 TD's and 7 INT's. His first 6 years they went 3-6 losing his first playoff game 4 times. Did he get it together later? Sur, somewhat. Never even close to his regular season level. Expand Are you doing his career or first 7 years? In his first 7 Years he had 3 all time playoff games. Again he beat Brady and was 3-2 in the playoffs vs Brady He went to 4 Superbowls Quote
Buryravens Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:10 PM, GoBills808 said: I don't care so much about what they're saying about Lamar tbh. I like Lamar. It's what they refuse to acknowledge about Allen that I don't understand. It seems impossible to have the kind of production he does and nothing to show for it. Expand I think his historic turnover numbers hurt him, perhaps playing in the AFC East too. if he could avg 34 , 6 and 4k yards he might be better viewed. 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:08 PM, Mikie2times said: After 7 seasons he had 18 TD and 15 INT's in the playoffs. His Super Bowl Year he had 3 TD's and 7 INT's. His first 6 years they went 3-6 losing his first playoff game 4 times. Did he get it together later? Sur, somewhat. Never even close to his regular season level. Expand Yes he was. Go look up his 4th, 5th and 7th playoff game m they're transcendent. Quote
Mikie2times Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:10 PM, Kelly to Allen said: Are you doing his career or first 7 years? In his first 7 Years he had 3 all time playoff games. Again he beat Brady and was 3-2 in the playoffs vs Brady He went to 4 Superbowls Expand Ok, he was 40 TD and 25 INT his whole career and he was .500 , let me rip my panties off 1 Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:13 PM, Mikie2times said: Ok, he was 40 TD and 25 INT his whole career and he was .500 , let me rip my panties off Expand He went to 4 Superbowls He was 3-2 vs Brady in the playoffs... It's revisionist history to say he was bad in the playoffs. It's not only not true, it's again the opposite Quote
Mikie2times Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:11 PM, Kelly to Allen said: Yes he was. Go look up his 4th, 5th and 7th playoff game m they're transcendent. Expand I grew up watching him just like you did. He had an atrocious start to his career, got better later, had some excellent games. All said, fair below his regular season pedigree. He literally has as many games he was directly responsible for losing as winning. Playoff hero, he is not. On 1/10/2025 at 10:14 PM, Kelly to Allen said: He went to 4 Superbowls He was 3-2 vs Brady in the playoffs... It's revisionist history to say he was bad in the playoffs. It's not only not true, it's again the opposite Expand So what is Allens record vs Mahomes in the playoffs? Does that tell the whole story for that comparison? Quote
Rockpile233 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 I like the added pressure to Lamar. He has shown to be unable to handle the playoff expectations especially with the added accolades. Josh elevates his game in the postseason. Quote
JohnNord Posted January 10 Posted January 10 If they are giving it to the player with the best stats it should go to Joe Burrow. It sucks but this season was never about MVP Quote
tigerthelion Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 9:54 PM, GoBills808 said: not even close. Right now Lamar's legacy is (likely) 3x MVP and first ballot HOF Allen's legacy is nonexistent Expand Legacy means very little if that is the case. 1 Quote
Doc Brown Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:17 PM, Mikie2times said: I grew up watching him just like you did. He had an atrocious start to his career, got better later, had some excellent games. All said, fair below his regular season pedigree. He literally has as many games he was directly responsible for losing as winning. Playoff hero, he is not. Expand It's a fair comp if Lamar ever does win the Super Bowl. Quote
Kelly to Allen Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) On 1/10/2025 at 10:17 PM, Mikie2times said: I grew up watching him just like you did. He had an atrocious start to his career, got better later, had some excellent games. All said, fair below his regular season pedigree. He literally has as many games he was directly responsible for losing as winning. Playoff hero, he is not. So what is Allens record vs Mahomes in the playoffs? Does that tell the whole story for that comparison? Expand What does his 4th and 5th and 7th game say? He for the 3rd time was 3-2 vs Brady in the playoffs He went to 4 Superbowls It's gaslighting to compare him to Lamar being terrible in the playoffs. On 1/10/2025 at 10:20 PM, Doc Brown said: It's a fair comp if Lamar ever does win the Super Bowl. Expand Manning had transcendent playoff games earlier in his career This is the opposite for Lamar Peyton Manning in his 4th playoff game. Lots of revisionist history and gaslighting going on 2003 colts vs chiefs division Rd. Manning was like Allen and basically perfect. Edited January 10 by Kelly to Allen Quote
Mikie2times Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:21 PM, Kelly to Allen said: What does his 4th and 5th and 7th game say? He for the 3rd time was 3-2 vs Brady in the playoffs He went to 4 Superbowls It's gaslighting to compare him to Lamar being terrible in the playoffs. Manning had transcendent playoff games earlier in his career This is the opposite for Lamar Peyton Manning in his 4th playoff game. Lots of revisionist history and gaslighting going on 2003 colts vs chiefs division Rd. Manning was like Allen and basically perfect. Expand He played well in 3 of his first 13 games in that image. Time has clouded your judgement. Quote
DapperCam Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 9:55 PM, Kelly to Allen said: Allen already has more playoff PASSING tds than rivers had in his entire career.... Expand Rivers also was never even 2nd team All Pro. Allen has two. Rivers was never really a top 3 QB at any time. Allen is inarguably a top 3 QB cumulatively over the past 5 seasons and also within individual seasons. Quote
transplantbillsfan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 10:07 PM, Buryravens said: Rodgers was a different animal, he put up numbers like Lamar this year on the regular. JA needs to keep his picks down and keep his tds up. Lamar just had a PR year of 119, it’s really tough to compare against the 04 Manning 20/11 Aaron and now 24 Lamar numbers. Expand I don't think Josh has a problem keeping his TDs up considering what he's done over the last 5 years. I understand I'm just feeding the troll here, but in the last 5 years, Josh has had 215 TDs. Lamar has had 145 TDs. Cleaning up the turnovers is something Allen has really reined in. Still, since 2020, Allen has only had 23 more turnovers than Lamar. Which is more impressive? Lamar having 23 fewer turnovers than Allen in the span of 5 years or Allen having 70 more TDs in the span of 5 years? Sorry everyone... I know I fed the Troll 1 2 Quote
DapperCam Posted January 10 Posted January 10 On 1/10/2025 at 9:57 PM, Scott7975 said: Yeah Lamars pounding of the Steelers didnt happen until Henry started to take over in that game. His pounding was 15 completions that his receivers got over 200 yards on because they were so wide open due to the Steelers not being able to stop Henry. That is Lamars typical game. Teams focus Henry because they can't stop him. Lamar gets easy passes because the receivers arent covered. All hail Lamar and his tough throws after Henry marches all over the field. Score was 17-17 towards the end of the 3rd quarter. Game got away from the Steelers. Lamar wasn't anything special. Expand Not to mention the Ravens got a pick-6 that blew it wide open. The Ravens are front runners and don’t play as well if you can keep it close or get a lead. 1 Quote
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) One of the things I am seeing among most MVP's is great stats and they are assisted by a great WR and good supporting cast. Lamar this year has2 WR with the best separation in the world and a HOF RB putting up HOF numbers this year. Allen still needs his " Marvin Harrison " like Manning had. I also think we need to start seeing some 4500 yard seasons with 40+ PASSING TD's and less than 10 picks like Rogers has had. For all Allens talents he still cant do that for some reason Edited January 10 by SoonerBillsFan Quote
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