AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 18 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Who wants the Bills to take Dejean at 28 … even if he is the best player left on the board ? Not me… not this year … I agree … but I do feel like he’s a player we’d absolutely love in a couple years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 59 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: Don't remember hearing that. Not a lot of young receivers can help in the run game. That's yet another reason to wait at 28 or even trade down a few spots (maybe; not sure if it's worth the risk) for Legette. I wouldn't be opposed to a small move up for Thomas but keeping our picks and getting Legette is what I'm hoping for. I don't think Legette will last very long in the 2nd round. All it takes is for one GM to be enamored with his elite physical traits. I'm sure there are plenty of NFL decision makers enamored with him and willing to take a risk. I think he'll go within a few picks if he makes it to the 2nd round. If the Bills want Legette, they should pick him at 28, in my opinion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said: Don't remember hearing that. Not a lot of young receivers can help in the run game. That's yet another reason to wait at 28 or even trade down a few spots (maybe; not sure if it's worth the risk) for Legette. I wouldn't be opposed to a small move up for Thomas but keeping our picks and getting Legette is what I'm hoping for. Legette Vs Miss St There are multiple examples here: 35 secs, 1:15, 2:00, 4:40 (this play is awesome). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 8 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: I'll say this. I'd be happier with Leggette at 28 than I would trading up for Brian Thomas who I think is a pretty similar skill set. BTJ is a slightly better athlete but Leggette is thick and can be a returner and a blocker as well so it's really what's your flavor kind of thing. But if the Bills spend a lot to trade up for BTJ I think that's pretty stupid as I think you can trade BACK and still get Leggette at the top of round 2 The only thing I can think is that BTJ is younger and maybe Brady has some inside knowledge on him or something. Otherwise I think it's a dumb move. They would be mortgaging the future in hopes that there's more to BTJ than meets the eye and maybe there's not. I would be both excited and nervous if we traded up for BTJ. Honestly though... I'd be both excited and nervous for almost any WR we draft in any round simply because of the inevitable pressure on them to immediately step in and produce. However, I would be just excited if we traded up for Odunze. For some reason he's the only one where it's just excitement. Some nerves would creep back in even if we traded up for Nabers, even though I know he might have the highest ceiling in the draft. I'm not even thinking about MHJ. 5 hours ago, blacklabel said: It's all about the engagement these days. They throw a wild hot take out there, not because they believe it but they know it'll prompt people to respond and start talking about it. And for sure some of them probably try to call their shots and rank someone super high when the general consensus has that same player ranked much lower. It is what it is, I guess. Absolutely not true with Joe Marino. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Joe tripling down on Cooper Dejean this morning .. he would “love it at 28” .. even over Legette who he likes at WR 4… Part of me is hoping to see the meltdown here … sometimes I just like to watch the world burn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 23 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I agree with your overall point...but here is a counter point too: Every year there are guys who are big and run fast in shorts at the combine who get over drafted over the potential of what that means despite not having the college resume to support the draft slot. Legette has sky high potential, but he also has probably the most risk of the guys expected to go in first 2 rounds. I don't think he is ready to be a complete WR1 at the next level and has a lot to work on that could take a couple seasons before you know what you have in him long term. Which is why I like some other guys in the first over him. My stance is...I won't hate the pick if he is who we take in the first, his potential is still exciting...but I will be cautiously optimistic on year 1 expectations to say the least. I would feel more comfortable taking him in the 2nd though, again, he does have elite potential, it is just that he also proabably has the highest bust risk too. For me , worthless as I am , I hoped to find XL late in the second for value And think he will develop But that is Not the Receiver Bills need from the draft. This is getting fun as the intensity builds I said they need two and one to start. XL is not that, but i would be pleased to see him on the team. 7 hours ago, MJS said: I don't think Legette will last very long in the 2nd round. All it takes is for one GM to be enamored with his elite physical traits. I'm sure there are plenty of NFL decision makers enamored with him and willing to take a risk. I think he'll go within a few picks if he makes it to the 2nd round. If the Bills want Legette, they should pick him at 28, in my opinion. agreed Some one will I hope Bills first pick is Not him. I hope its a Home Run regardless of position 3 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I would be both excited and nervous if we traded up for BTJ. Honestly though... I'd be both excited and nervous for almost any WR we draft in any round simply because of the inevitable pressure on them to immediately step in and produce. However, I would be just excited if we traded up for Odunze. For some reason he's the only one where it's just excitement. Some nerves would creep back in even if we traded up for Nabers, even though I know he might have the highest ceiling in the draft. I'm not even thinking about MHJ. Absolutely not true with Joe Marino. Odunze yea. would be fired up ! Might even ignore what it cost to get there. Might but yea. 3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Joe tripling down on Cooper Dejean this morning .. he would “love it at 28” .. even over Legette who he likes at WR 4… Part of me is hoping to see the meltdown here … sometimes I just like to watch the world burn 😇 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 sorry Alpha I kept adding comments after your agree. I want to be clear to others about that The agree was not for all my retorts. But glad to get even one 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Joe tripling down on Cooper Dejean this morning .. he would “love it at 28” .. even over Legette who he likes at WR 4… Part of me is hoping to see the meltdown here … sometimes I just like to watch the world burn I think he is just realizing that picking a receiver at 28 isn't that different from picking a receiver at 60, value wise. But I'd still like to see a receiver in round 1, personally, even if they need to trade up for Thomas. I just don't see them trading up high enough to get one of the top 3 receivers, though. If we get Thomas or Lagette, I'd be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 34 minutes ago, MJS said: I think he is just realizing that picking a receiver at 28 isn't that different from picking a receiver at 60, value wise. But I'd still like to see a receiver in round 1, personally, even if they need to trade up for Thomas. I just don't see them trading up high enough to get one of the top 3 receivers, though. If we get Thomas or Lagette, I'd be happy. He did say he has got Legette “somewhere between 25-40”…. So it doesn’t sound like he would think they are reaching at 28 for him … he doesn’t want to trade up for Thomas …he rates Legette higher .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted April 25 Author Share Posted April 25 On 4/23/2024 at 6:00 PM, Adam727 said: Spotrac has the Bills at 5.8mil under the projected cap next year. That's before accounting for this year's rookies, next year's rookies, with only 38 players on the roster, and without re-signing Spencer Brown and Rasul Douglas if they are part of the Bills' plans going forward. It's better than this year was but unless I'm missing something, next year isn't great either. 2026 currently looks ok. First of all, Buffalo didn't restructure Allen's entire contract this offseason because they're pushing it into next offseason. I think that's about an additional $8m. Then there's the fact that we have Von Miller's contract still on the books next season, but once we cut him (like most project we will), we save a bunch of CAP space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 21 hours ago, MJS said: I think he is just realizing that picking a receiver at 28 isn't that different from picking a receiver at 60, value wise. But I'd still like to see a receiver in round 1, personally, even if they need to trade up for Thomas. I just don't see them trading up high enough to get one of the top 3 receivers, though. If we get Thomas or Lagette, I'd be happy. If they really like a WR ? I want to Bills to get him. I And I mean go after him Have alot more faith in McBeanes the last few drafts. But this pick ? If they truly are locked on ? And willing to spend draft capital ? They best nail it. I would be fine , with WRs / two from the second Rd if they see what they like and it falls well enough. And use the first pick for BPA of need lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 20 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: He did say he has got Legette “somewhere between 25-40”…. So it doesn’t sound like he would think they are reaching at 28 for him … he doesn’t want to trade up for Thomas …he rates Legette higher .. I like 25- 40 range for Bills. if they really like this Kid. that is likely very doable. Going up and or going down. they could even possibly still pick in the first if Legette made it to the second round or to 40 ! and Beane had made a deal to lock him in. Could be done ?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 My rough big board for the Bills would be: MHJ Nabers Odunze Bowers Turner Quinyon Mitchell Arnold Brian Thomas Jr. Insert O-Line Here Verse DeJean Chop McKinstry Newton Franklin Coleman Latu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Love Joe's show, locked on bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosejob Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 On 4/23/2024 at 6:22 PM, Mikie2times said: What would you want to see in that situation? There's no way i would go up past 23. There's no way I'M GIVING UP 60 and I'M fine with using 2025 picks to get 2s and 3s. Beane is gonna do what Nobody saw coming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: First of all, Buffalo didn't restructure Allen's entire contract this offseason because they're pushing it into next offseason. I think that's about an additional $8m. Then there's the fact that we have Von Miller's contract still on the books next season, but once we cut him (like most project we will), we save a bunch of CAP space. All true. But restructuring Allen again continues kicking the can down the road. And even if they do both that will give them $21mil with 2 rookie classes to pay for/ 13 empty roster spots (probably $15-$20mil just to fill in the roster and sign draft picks) plus Rasul Douglas and Spencer Brown. They aren't going to have to overhaul the roster again or anything but they are probably not going to have space to go sign a top tier WR/DE next year either. I still think the best use of draft resources this year and next year is to spend early picks on positions that are expensive in FA like WR/DE/CB/OT.. after Von Miller and Josh Allen there aren't a lot of cap saving moves available to Buffalo next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted April 26 Author Share Posted April 26 27 minutes ago, Adam727 said: All true. But restructuring Allen again continues kicking the can down the road. And even if they do both that will give them $21mil with 2 rookie classes to pay for/ 13 empty roster spots (probably $15-$20mil just to fill in the roster and sign draft picks) plus Rasul Douglas and Spencer Brown. They aren't going to have to overhaul the roster again or anything but they are probably not going to have space to go sign a top tier WR/DE next year either. I still think the best use of draft resources this year and next year is to spend early picks on positions that are expensive in FA like WR/DE/CB/OT.. after Von Miller and Josh Allen there aren't a lot of cap saving moves available to Buffalo next year. 2 rookie classes? What are you talking about? There's only one rookie class every year. Where on earth are you getting your numbers. Right now the Bills are about $3m under and then get $10m more on June 1st. I don't know if you're counting our cap money this year towards next year, but if you are you're even off with those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 15 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: 2 rookie classes? What are you talking about? There's only one rookie class every year. Where on earth are you getting your numbers. Right now the Bills are about $3m under and then get $10m more on June 1st. I don't know if you're counting our cap money this year towards next year, but if you are you're even off with those numbers. Next year's salary cap doesn't account for our 2024 draft class yet or our 2025 draft class. I'm getting my numbers from Spotrac. I'm not counting whatever they carry over from this year because we don't know how much that's going to be yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 On 4/23/2024 at 5:16 PM, Aussie Joe said: Who wants the Bills to take Dejean at 28 … even if he is the best player left on the board ? Not me… not this year … I would. Defense is where this team has fallen apart historically and it's where KC has a massive edge. They make it a lot harder for Allen to score than we make it for Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Looks like Joe's best available is DeJean all by himself Newton all by himself after DeJean AD Mitchell Ladd McConkey in a tier together. I could see another small trade down here and still getting a wr they want if not these guys Franklin certainly met a ton with the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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