Chicharito Posted August 22 Posted August 22 4 hours ago, Einstein said: The Jets/Giants used no public money for Metlife. Much easier when you have 2 billionaires splitting the cost. Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted August 22 Posted August 22 3 minutes ago, Chicharito said: Much easier when you have 2 billionaires splitting the cost. A lot easier paying for your own stadium when you are in media market #1. Stan Kronke and Jerry Jones paid for their playpens but made their investments back relatively quickly. Not happening in WNY. Quote
QCity Posted August 22 Posted August 22 56 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: A lot easier paying for your own stadium when you are in media market #1. Stan Kronke and Jerry Jones paid for their playpens but made their investments back relatively quickly. Not happening in WNY. TV revenue is shared equally, and yes, Pegula will make his money back in WNY. Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted August 22 Posted August 22 1 minute ago, QCity said: TV revenue is shared equally, and yes, Pegula will make his money back in WNY. You need lots of events to do that. I wonder how active they will be with those? Quote
QCity Posted August 22 Posted August 22 1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said: You need lots of events to do that. You really don't, the TV revenue is the lion's share of it. About 80% of PSLs in new Buffalo Bills stadium have sold; sellout by end of year within reach With the price of a PSL now as low as $750, the Bills say they have sold about 43,000 seat licenses − out of the nearly 55,000 available − with about a year to go until the team plays its first game in the more than $2 billion stadium under construction in Orchard Park. Quote
Chicharito Posted August 23 Posted August 23 3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: You need lots of events to do that. I wonder how active they will be with those? Not as active as you could’ve been with a dome….. 1 Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted August 23 Posted August 23 2 hours ago, QCity said: You really don't, the TV revenue is the lion's share of it. About 80% of PSLs in new Buffalo Bills stadium have sold; sellout by end of year within reach With the price of a PSL now as low as $750, the Bills say they have sold about 43,000 seat licenses − out of the nearly 55,000 available − with about a year to go until the team plays its first game in the more than $2 billion stadium under construction in Orchard Park. Teams like the Bills and Lions are at the bottom of revenue generation. (Around $500MM) The Dallas Cowboys are the top. (Over a billion) You have to pay salaries and whatever expenses out of that gross amount. So the Bills only clear $30-40MM/yr. It will take a long time to earn back the cost of the stadium at that rate. But AT&T stadium is used constantly the Cowboys sell sponsorships to everything. and Jerry makes extra hundreds of millions. Market size matters. 2 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted August 23 Posted August 23 (edited) 5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: A lot easier paying for your own stadium when you are in media market #1. Stan Kronke and Jerry Jones paid for their playpens but made their investments back relatively quickly. Not happening in WNY. To be fair taxpayers paid $325 million for Jerry world New highmark stadium is getting 600 million from New York State taxpayers... Which by the brackets is mostly coming from downstate millionaires and billionaires If you're making 95,000 you're not contributing that much to the new stadium via state tax Erie county is chipping in 250 million which affects our taxpayers much more but is actually doable if you want to keep the Buffalo Bills in Western New York for our children's children's future Edited August 23 by Buffalo716 1 Quote
QCity Posted August 23 Posted August 23 24 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Teams like the Bills and Lions are at the bottom of revenue generation. (Around $500MM) The Dallas Cowboys are the top. (Over a billion) You have to pay salaries and whatever expenses out of that gross amount. So the Bills only clear $30-40MM/yr. It will take a long time to earn back the cost of the stadium at that rate. The Packers had a net income of $85.6M in 2025, and that's without stadium naming rights. We are obviously a lot closer to them than the Dallas or New York markets. The Bills will certainly clear far more than that in their shiny new stadium, so whether that's considered "a long time" to pay back the costs, well, that's subjective. 24 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: But AT&T stadium is used constantly the Cowboys sell sponsorships to everything. and Jerry makes extra hundreds of millions. Market size matters. Of course market size matters, I'm saying all the ancillary events like concerts and boxing matches don't. They are literally a drop in the bucket when looking at the overall picture. Like all NFL teams, TV revenue is the biggest chunk of income. Second for the Cowboys are their luxury suites (they have an obscene amount) and next would be their naming rights. Yes, it's nice to have the world's fourth-largest automaker (Ford) strike a 10-year deal for the naming rights to your practice field. But ultimately the dirt bike races really don't matter. Quote
Einstein Posted August 23 Posted August 23 13 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: Teams like the Bills and Lions are at the bottom of revenue generation. (Around $500MM) The Dallas Cowboys are the top. (Over a billion) Yeah over half of their revenue is directly tied to their dome. Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted August 23 Posted August 23 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Yeah over half of their revenue is directly tied to their dome. In Dallas' case absolutely. Not sure how active Ford Field is with non football events? Quote
Ned Flanders Posted August 23 Posted August 23 (edited) 49 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: In Dallas' case absolutely. Not sure how active Ford Field is with non football events? Wasn't there a Final Four held there? Lot easier to attract more events with a downtown dome. Just looked it up, Final Four in 2009 and one coming in 2027. Edited August 23 by Ned Flanders Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted August 23 Posted August 23 1 minute ago, Ned Flanders said: Wasn't there a Final Four held there? Lot easier to attract more events with a downtown dome. And the hotels. 1 Quote
billsfan714 Posted August 23 Posted August 23 On 8/22/2025 at 5:08 PM, QCity said: TV revenue is shared equally, and yes, Pegula will make his money back in WNY. He paid 1.4 billion for the Bills and they are now valued at 5.87 Billion. I think we would all like 300 percent return over 11 years. Yep, Terry is fine. . Quote
Ballsy Posted August 23 Posted August 23 5 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: He paid 1.4 billion for the Bills and they are now valued at 5.87 Billion. In hindsight, it appears it was a "meh" investment. Purchasing the NASDAQ 100 (QQQ) on the date he bought the Bills with 1.4 Billion would have resulted in a current market value of 7.3 Billion. He would have been well diversified, wouldn't have had to do any work (lobbying for stadium, running a team, takes shots from the press and/fans) and his investment would be worth an extra 1.5B with a highly liquid asset (QQQ). He would have had all his Sundays free to enjoy his yacht. 7 minutes ago, billsfan714 said: I think we would all like 300 percent return over 11 years. Uh, 300% is basically what everyone who invested in the S&P500 did get over last 11 years (290%). Again, zero effort. Just buy it and forget it. Don't need to be a billionaire NFL owner to get 300% over 11 years.... Now, the Bills have kicked off income, but Terry is also spending a lot of cash on the stadium.... 1 Quote
Mike in Horseheads Posted August 23 Posted August 23 1 hour ago, Ballsy said: Now, the Bills have kicked off income, but Terry is also spending a lot of cash on the stadium.... Spending a lot on signing bonus's also, so his liquidity must be pretty good Quote
PromoTheRobot Posted August 23 Posted August 23 1 hour ago, billsfan714 said: He paid 1.4 billion for the Bills and they are now valued at 5.87 Billion. I think we would all like 300 percent return over 11 years. Yep, Terry is fine. . But you really only realize that gain when you sell, or sell a non controlling share. Quote
billsfan714 Posted August 23 Posted August 23 40 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: But you really only realize that gain when you sell, or sell a non controlling share. Much of a wealthy person's net worth is tied up in appreciated assets, such as company stock, real estate, or other investments. If they were to sell these assets to get cash, they would owe significant taxes on the gains. By taking out a loan against the asset's value instead, they get the cash they need without triggering a taxable event. Again, Terry is fine. Quote
Buffalo716 Posted August 24 Posted August 24 3 hours ago, Ballsy said: In hindsight, it appears it was a "meh" investment. Purchasing the NASDAQ 100 (QQQ) on the date he bought the Bills with 1.4 Billion would have resulted in a current market value of 7.3 Billion. He would have been well diversified, wouldn't have had to do any work (lobbying for stadium, running a team, takes shots from the press and/fans) and his investment would be worth an extra 1.5B with a highly liquid asset (QQQ). He would have had all his Sundays free to enjoy his yacht. Uh, 300% is basically what everyone who invested in the S&P500 did get over last 11 years (290%). Again, zero effort. Just buy it and forget it. Don't need to be a billionaire NFL owner to get 300% over 11 years.... Now, the Bills have kicked off income, but Terry is also spending a lot of cash on the stadium.... Except investing in the s&p doesn't give you a professional football team which is one of 32 in the world That prestige along with the gains is much better than just being super rich in the stocks I'm sure he also has a very diversified stock portfolio 1 Quote
RiotAct Posted August 24 Posted August 24 2 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Spending a lot on signing bonus's also, so his liquidity must be pretty good don’t forget he’s still paying like 40 ex-Sabres as well. 1 Quote
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