DrDawkinstein Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: No coach in NFL history was coaching up AJ Klein to cover Kelce If putting Klein on Kelce was his idea at all then that is a fireable offense. Come up with something better. One of the so-called best DCs in the league should be able to do better. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, BBFL said: AFCC was lost on offense. Didn’t do squat after that 1st quarter until it was too late, a 31-15 hole. Defense played their part in it but you had to match that team offensively as it might have been their best season under Reid. The D gave up 31 pts in 30mins of game play or 2 QTRs. How many teams win in that scenario? The D in all 3 games have been a train wreck. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 43 minutes ago, FireChans said: This is hotly debated but I wanna see the thoughts of TBD. Combination of all three as answers is discouraged. 2. Hands down. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, Real McClappy said: The D gave up 31 pts in 30mins of game play or 2 QTRs. How many teams win in that scenario? The D in all 3 games have been a train wreck. Again, they played their part but the offense had to score also. Josh and the offense was phenomenal that whole season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Besides the 13 seconds game, too me it's been injuries to key defensive players for the last two years. If we go into the playoffs healthy, we would be unstoppable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 All of the above would've been the runaway favorite but since it's not there i voted bad luck. It's bad luck to be in the same conference as the Chiefs It's bad luck to have a home game stolen from you in an "experiment" It's bad luck losing two key starters in that game, one for most of the year, one for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Mostly #2, but that choice should include the players as well, add in some #3 as well, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 So McDermott didn't get in the way when the Bills went on a 5-0 tear to grab the #2 seed, but he DID in the way against the Chiefs? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 31 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: If putting Klein on Kelce was his idea at all then that is a fireable offense. Come up with something better. One of the so-called best DCs in the league should be able to do better. Do we know if it was Benford's leg on the same side as Milano's? If it was the opposite we could have just sawed off a good one and had one good LB still. Edited February 14 by Warcodered 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust The Process Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) This is how I assess blame as to why the Bills haven't been more successful ever since McBeane took over. McD: 55% Beane: 30% Players: 15% McD's RECORD IN 1 SCORE GAMES 2017: 6-3 2018: 3-3 2019: 4-6 2020: 6-1 2021: 0-6 2022: 7-3 2023: 6-7 McD's record in 1 score games including the playoffs is 32-29 equals a winning percentage of 52.4%. This stat proves when its crunch time McD is average, which is unacceptable, and has been detrimental in the playoffs. McD's RECORD ON CHALLENGES 2017: 1-3 2018: 0-6 2019: 2-3 2020: 2-3 2021: 1-2 2022: 1-3 2023: 3-3 McD has a combined record of just 10-23 on challenges since becoming Head Coach of the Bills. That's a success rate of only 30.3% which is amongst the worst in the NFL when it comes to tossing the flag. Incredibly, McD has never had a season in which he has won more challenges than he has lost. McD's PLAYOFF VICTORIES 2020: Phillip Rivers and Lamar Jackson (Wildcard Round and Divisional Round) 2021: Mac Jones (Wildcard Round) 2022: Skylar Thompson (Wildcard Round) 2023: Mason Rudolph (Wildcard Round) Notice a pattern here? Aside from a 39 year old Rivers, McD's playoff victories came verses QB's who suck. McD's PLAYOFF LOSSES 2017: Blake Bortles (Wildcard Round) 2019: Deshaun Watson (Wildcard Round) 2020: Pat Mahomes (AFC Championship Game) 2021: Pat Mahomes (Divisional Round) 2022: Joe Burrow (Divisional Round) 2023: Pat Mahomes (Divisional Round) The pattern here is, aside from losing to Blake Bortles, McD hasn't beaten any great QB's in the Playoffs. Watson was a great QB at the time McD faced him. POINTS ALLOWED IN PLAYOFF LOSSES 2017: 1O vs Jacksonville 2019: 22 vs Houston 2020: 38 vs Kansas City 2021: 42 vs Kansas City 2022: 27 vs Cincinnati 2023: 27 vs Kansas City The pattern here is McD's defense is allowing a whopping average of 27.6 PPG in 6 playoff losses. McD is a defensive coach yet his defenses has gotten shredded in 4 of 6 playoff losses, 4 years in a row to be exact. Wrap your brain around that. NOTABLE PLAYOFF STATLINE IN 3 GAMES VS KANSAS CITY CHIEFS McD's defense only forced the Kansas City Chiefs to Punt a grand total of 4 times in 3 playoff games, and allowed an average of 35.7 PPG. Good grief. How in the world is McD still the head coach of this team? It boggles the mind. Beane shares the 2nd most blame, mostly for doing a bad job with Free Agency. Didn't spend cap dollars wisely, especially on the defensive line. Bad contracts. As far as the draft goes, Beane has done a great job from rounds 4-7 but at an average job in rounds 1-3 which is where you find your blue chip players/difference makers, and where precious cap dollars are spent. The Players shares the least most blame, mostly for not making enough plays to win in crunch time in one score games during the regular season, and more so in the playoffs. The bottom line is stats don't lie, it tells a story. Edited February 14 by Trust The Process forgot to add one more stat 3 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 11 minutes ago, Trust The Process said: This is how I assess blame as to why the Bills haven't been more successful ever since McBeane took over. McD: 55% Beane: 30% Players: 15% McD's RECORD IN 1 SCORE GAMES 2017: 6-3 2018: 3-3 2019: 4-6 2020: 6-1 2021: 0-6 2022: 7-3 2023: 6-7 McD's record in 1 score games including the playoffs is 32-29 equals a winning percentage of 52.4%. This stat proves when its crunch time McD is average, which is unacceptable, and has been detrimental in the playoffs. McD's RECORD ON CHALLENGES 2017: 1-3 2018: 0-6 2019: 2-3 2020: 2-3 2021: 1-2 2022: 1-3 2023: 3-3 McD has a combined record of just 10-23 on challenges since becoming Head Coach of the Bills. That's a success rate of only 30.3% which is amongst the worst in the NFL when it comes to tossing the flag. Incredibly, McD has never had a season in which he has won more challenges than he has lost. McD's PLAYOFF VICTORIES 2020: Phillip Rivers and Lamar Jackson (Won Wildcard Round and Divisional Round) 2021: Mac Jones (Won Wildcard Round) 2022: Skylar Thompson (Won Wildcard Round) 2023: Mason Rudolph Notice a pattern here? Aside from a 39 year old Rivers, McD's playoff victories came verses QB's who suck. McD's PLAYOFF LOSSES 2017: Blake Bortles (Lost in Wildcard Round) 2019: Deshaun Watson (Lost in Wildcard Round) 2020: Pat Mahomes (Lost in AFC Championship Game) 2021: Pat Mahomes (Lost in Divisional Round) 2022: Joe Burrow (Lost in Divisional Round) 2023: Pat Mahomes (Lost in Divisional Round) The pattern here is, aside from losing to Blake Bortles, McD hasn't beaten any great QB's in the Playoffs. Watson was a great QB at the time McD faced him. Beane shares the 2nd most blame, mostly for doing a bad job with Free Agency. Didn't spend cap dollars wisely, especially on the defensive line. Bad contracts. As far as the draft goes, Beane has done a great job from rounds 4-7 but at an average job in rounds 1-3 which is where you find your blue chip players/difference makers, and where precious cap dollars are spent. The Players shares the least most blame, mostly for not making enough plays to win in crunch time in one score games during the regular season, and more so in the playoffs. The bottom line is stats don't lie, it tells a story. I’d love to see records of other coaches in one score games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: So McDermott didn't get in the way when the Bills went on a 5-0 tear to grab the #2 seed, but he DID in the way against the Chiefs? Pretty much, yeah. Regular season wins come to this talented team mostly due to Josh. McDermott and the players talked about how he changed after the Dunne piece came out. That was great that he managed to get out of their way during the regular season. But during the playoffs, where talent is largely equal, teams rely far more on coaching to get a win and once again, when we needed him the most, he fell short in his role. Which was destined to happen the moment he took over as DC. Too caught up being a DC, not enough energy spent on being a true HC. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Pretty much, yeah. Regular season wins come to this talented team mostly due to Josh. McDermott and the players talked about how he changed after the Dunne piece came out. That was great that he managed to get out of their way during the regular season. But during the playoffs, where talent is largely equal, teams rely far more on coaching to get a win and once again, when we needed him the most, he fell short in his role. Which was destined to happen the moment he took over as DC. Too caught up being a DC, not enough energy spent on being a true HC. Who can forget Josh’s elite performances carrying us against the Chiefs, Cowboys, Chargers, Pats #2 and Dolphins to close out the year? McD was just along for the ride as our boy was lighting up the scoreboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trust The Process Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 7 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’d love to see records of other coaches in one score games. Not sure, however, when you have a great QB like Allen, McD must have a better a winning percentage than 52% in one score games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 I would have clicked on All Of The Above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 The Bills refuse to give Allen enough playmakers on offense and they spend too much money on defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 21 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’d love to see records of other coaches in one score games. Context can be very important at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 10 minutes ago, Trust The Process said: Not sure, however, when you have a great QB like Allen, McD must have a better a winning percentage than 52% in one score games. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Who can forget Josh’s elite performances carrying us against the Chiefs, Cowboys, Chargers, Pats #2 and Dolphins to close out the year? McD was just along for the ride as our boy was lighting up the scoreboard. For the Chiefs, McD wasnt just along for the ride. He was busy having his defense absolutely blow the game, AGAIN, if not for a completely random and lucky Offensive Offside penalty on the Chiefs WR. The Cowboys game saw Brady stick to the run. I'll give McD credit here for how prepared and fired up the ENTIRE team was, but that also goes to highlight my point about our inconsistency, and McD's issues this year filling in the DC spot and leaving the other 2 units without a true leader. Then McD had us roll into LA, get down against Easton f$#&ing Stick and the 5-9 Chargers into the 2nd quarter AND last minute of the game, and giving Stick one of his highest rated games as the Chargers scored on ALL but one of their 2nd half possessions. Thankfully, Josh lead the team on a 13-play last possession drive to get the game winning FG. ALL of our units had issues that day, which speaks to the HC. So unfortunately, no, McD wasnt just along for the ride. Might have been easier that way tho. 25 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’d love to see records of other coaches in one score games. For the record, I'm with you on this tired, old "one score game" argument. It needs to be stated that the Bills also never get blown out. And since no one is winning ALL the games in the NFL, this "one score game" stat shows that the Bills are always in it, even in our losses. I'll give some credit there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 hours ago, FireChans said: I don’t agree. I agree that I don't agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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