CaptnCoke11 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: What is the cap hit if he is traded? What is a 33 year old possibly declining WR with a huge contract even worth? He’s 30 and it would cost more cap space to trade him than keep him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Just now, CaptnCoke11 said: He’s 30 and it would cost more cap space to trade him than keep him only by a few million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 So does everyone that says we don’t need to load up on WRs in this loaded class still feel the same way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 29 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Beane screwed up after 13 secs and giving him that extension, was never a #1 option for big games At the time I tried explaining why that extension was unnecessary and probably not a good idea and man, this place was not having it lol. 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: only by a few million And then you have to account for the cost of a new #1 WR, which doesn't seem possible at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 14 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: What is the cap hit if he is traded? What is a 33 year old possibly declining WR with a huge contract even worth? Glad you guys don’t count my birthdays … he will be 31 at the start of the 2025 season 7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: only by a few million What’s the exact figure … Is it $12m ? Edited March 16 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 15 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said: What is the cap hit if he is traded? What is a 33 year old possibly declining WR with a huge contract even worth? If you're talking about Diggs, he's not 33 he's 30. His cap hit is $27.8M in Buffalo. If he's traded, it rises to $31.1M because of amortized bonuses accelerating into this season. And you didn't ask but before someone else does, there's no such thing as a trade made now, but dated post-June 1. That only applies to cuts. 4 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said: So does everyone that says we don’t need to load up on WRs in this loaded class still feel the same way? I don't know who those people are, but I've never felt that way so I'm unchanged on wanting us to draft a top WR. Edited March 16 by Beck Water 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: If you're talking about Diggs, he's not 33 he's 30. His cap hit is $27.8M in Buffalo. If he's traded, it rises to $31.1M because of amortized bonuses accelerating into this season. And you didn't ask but before someone else does, there's no such thing as a trade made now, but dated post-June 1. That only applies to cuts. Can I politely ask the dead cap and trade number come 2025… asssuming he plays this year out with no restructuring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Here’s my final offer Houston: Diggs + 128 + 2025 4th (Conditional 3rd) For 42 & 59 Bills come away with 4 picks in the top 60 WR x 2, DT, S SEND IT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 How much did the Broncos eat to just make Russ go away? Sometimes you gotta swallow those horse pills to get better… him acting like a petulant little B word, again, isn’t going to help this team get to where it needs to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Just now, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said: How much did the Broncos eat to just make Russ go away? Sometimes you gotta swallow those horse pills to get better… him acting like a petulant little B word, again, isn’t going to help this team get to where it needs to go. yup. It’s clearly not ideal…but all the “its impossible to trade him” talk is just simply not true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 1 hour ago, GASabresIUFan said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-stefon-diggs-gives-another-indication-he-wants-out-of-buffalo-with-cryptic-post/ Dear Stef, We made you one of the highest paid players in the NFL. We gave you an opportunity to play with one of the best QB's in the NFL who is on his way to a HOF career. Grow up jerk and play football. Stop whining already. Geez! C'mon man you gotta get a grip. Are we really not able to endure intentionally vague tweets a few times a year? Wild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Here’s this again as a reminder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 16 minutes ago, Beck Water said: If you're talking about Diggs, he's not 33 he's 30. His cap hit is $27.8M in Buffalo. If he's traded, it rises to $31.1M because of amortized bonuses accelerating into this season. And you didn't ask but before someone else does, there's no such thing as a trade made now, but dated post-June 1. That only applies to cuts. I don't know who those people are, but I've never felt that way so I'm unchanged on wanting us to draft a top WR. Says if he's traded after 6/1 we get $19M cap savings this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: yup. It’s clearly not ideal…but all the “its impossible to trade him” talk is just simply not true. So if the number to trade him ia $31m as above … how do they do it? Im not saying it’s “impossible “ … but just explain to me how it gets done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Just now, Aussie Joe said: So if the number to trade him ia $31m as above … how do they do it? Im not saying it’s “impossible “ … but just explain to me how it gets done his current cap hit is already on our books. So basically it’s like we sign a player for 3 million…except it would be from trading him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Says if he's traded after 6/1 we get $19M cap savings this season That may be, but that's for a trade MADE after 6/1. It's truth that there's no trade equivalent of the "cut designated post-June 1" where the team is no longer responsible for any guarantees or bonus payments, keeps the cap hit on their payroll until 6/1, then splits the hit over a couple years. 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: his current cap hit is already on our books. So basically it’s like we sign a player for 3 million…except it would be from trading him I know this has been said before, but let me try again: Diggs is still a talented receiver. Maybe not an elite WR any more, but good to very good (top 10 to top 15), and the best on our current roster. With me so far? You agree with the above, because you've stated you want a 1st round pick for him in trade compensation. Teams don't hand out 1st round picks except for very good WR. So you must think Diggs is still a very good WR. With me so far? Therefore, if the Bills trade Diggs and incur $3M more than the $27.8M cap hit he currently carries for being ON our roster as a very good WR available to play for the Bills, the best on the team last 4 years - we need to replace him. How, and with whom, when we take our limited cap space and turn it into $3M less cap space? Hint: 1st round rookies don't always pan out, and even those who do pan out, don't always do so year 1. Edited March 16 by Beck Water 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Beck Water said: That may be, but that's for a trade MADE after 6/1. It's truth that there's no trade equivalent of the "cut designated post-June 1" where the team is no longer responsible for any guarantees or bonus payments, keeps the cap hit on their payroll until 6/1, then splits the hit over a couple years. I know this has been said before, but let me try again: Diggs is still a talented receiver. Maybe not an elite WR any more, but good to very good (top 10 to top 15), and the best on our current roster. With me so far? You agree with the above, because you've stated you want a 1st round pick for him in trade compensation. Teams don't hand out 1st round picks except for very good WR. So you must think Diggs is still a very good WR. With me so far? Therefore, if the Bills trade Diggs and incur $3M more than the $27.8M cap hit he currently carries for being ON our roster as a very good WR available to play for the Bills, the best on the team last 4 years - we need to replace him. How, and with whom, when we take our limited cap space and turn it into $3M less cap space? Hint: 1st round rookies don't always pan out, and even those who do pan out, don't always do so year 1. to me it comes down to the actual relationships between Diggs, the front office and Josh. If the Bills think he brings a negative aspect that outweighs the positive (people on here with legit sources spoke of things like Diggs screaming at Allen in his face after games over every little mistake) then IMO they’d look to trade him. He’s talked about of both sides of his mouth. He said he wants to be a Bill, but also talks about rumors with “where there’s smoke there’s fire” and saying he’s prepared, doesn’t know what the future holds. His antics last spring-summer. Sean saying he’s very concerned. Now this. He knew how this would be perceived. He pretends it’s all media driven. Some of it yes, but often it starts with his words or actions his lack of performance in playoff games, taking plays off when he knows it’s a run Edited March 16 by Warriorspikes51 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 53 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Here’s my final offer Houston: Diggs + 128 + 2025 4th (Conditional 3rd) For 42 & 59 Bills come away with 4 picks in the top 60 WR x 2, DT, S SEND IT Stop. Its never going to happen and its a terrible idea overall. You do this with every player as if the cap has no impact on these trades either. Diggs is not going anywhere whether anyone wants him to or not, at least not this year. 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: to me it comes down to the actual relationships between Diggs, the front office and Josh. If the Bills think he brings a negative aspect that outweighs the positive (people on here with legit sources spoke of things like Diggs screaming at Allen in his face after games over every little mistake) then IMO they’d look to trade him. He’s talked about of both sides of his mouth. He said he wants to be a Bill, but also talks about rumors with “where there’s smoke there’s fire” and saying he’s prepared, doesn’t know what the future holds. Where do you guys come up with this nonsense. Diggs has literally said Josh is family...he wants to retire a Bill...he hopes he stays. Josh, Beane, etc have all gushed over Diggs too. You guys are just ridiculous about how you try and twist everything into drama with him. Cannot wait for the offseason to end so this thread, literally the dumbest and most pointless thread of the year manufacturing drama where there isn't any goes away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 44 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Here’s this again as a reminder And here was Beane talking to Rich Eisen and Daniel Jeremiah after that during the Combine Broadcast: Quote Eisen: What are you willing to share - how do you think your Receiver room is going to look like? Beane: Yeah, I mean listen, we always want to get better. I know everyone's (the media) always worried about Steph Diggs and all that - but Steph is here and we look forward to having him back next season and adding more players and more talent to him. We're always looking for more playmakers. Last year we Drafted a Tight End in Dalton Kincaid and people were like "why didn't you go get a Receiver"? We look at it more as we want mismatches and playmakers. Whether it's a Tight End, a Receiver, or a Running Back - whoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: And here was Beane talking to Rich Eisen and Daniel Jeremiah after that during the Combine Broadcast: hahaha what do you think the GM is going to say? “Oh yeah well….we’ll see what happens with him” Beane isn’t going to bid against himself and tank any trade value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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