BillStime Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: Does anyone actually believe it’s the Democrats who want border security? Their actions of fighting Republican proposals AND tying the border to aid in Ukraine speaks contrary to a “fix the border” message. Couldn’t they simply decide to have a separate border deal and put some hard line proposals out there? Republicans would pass it immediately and then the problem is solved. Democrats could even take the credit and that would be a great political move considering how highly immigration ranks on voters minds. They could take the spear right out of the republican party’s hands. Democrats aren’t the ones tying border funding with Ukraine aide - Republicans are - lmao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Arrest Mayorkas and charge him. Maybe the next one will learn something. Other than that there’s nothing to be done because the DHS can simply ignore all the “deals” that get made like they ignore their mandate now. PS regardless of the above most Republicans are just dudes in red states who desperately want the coastal approval that comes from the D next to their name but can’t because they wouldn’t get elected. So they resent their electorate which results in the kinds of “deals” like we just saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: Does anyone actually believe it’s the Democrats who want border security? Their actions of fighting Republican proposals AND tying the border to aid in Ukraine speaks contrary to a “fix the border” message. Couldn’t they simply decide to have a separate border deal and put some hard line proposals out there? Republicans would pass it immediately and then the problem is solved. Democrats could even take the credit and that would be a great political move considering how highly immigration ranks on voters minds. They could take the spear right out of the republican party’s hands. I think Democrats recognize that it’s a problem which it is Especially because they say so 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 56 minutes ago, LeviF said: Arrest Mayorkas and charge him. MAGA freak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, LeviF said: PS regardless of the above most Republicans are just dudes in red states who desperately want the coastal approval that comes from the D next to their name but can’t because they wouldn’t get elected. So they resent their electorate which results in the kinds of “deals” like we just saw. If that were true, Kinzinger and Cheney would already be D's. There are still some principled politicians.... Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 11 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: If that were true, Kinzinger and Cheney would already be D's. There are still some principled politicians.... Except they make an assload of money being “principled” republicans and hating their former constituents publicly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LeviF said: Except they make an assload of money being “principled” republicans and hating their former constituents publicly. I don't think they hate their constituents , just the scumbags who turned on them in their own party to protect themselves. trump has them by the balls and they're too wimpy to fight back. Tim Scott is an embarrassment. btw, I don't think the Cheney's are hurting for money. Kinzinger strikes me as a regular guy. Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 21 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I don't think they hate their constituents , just the scumbags who turned on them in their own party to protect themselves. trump has them by the balls and they're too wimpy to fight back. Tim Scott is an embarrassment. btw, I don't think the Cheney's are hurting for money. Kinzinger strikes me as a regular guy. It’s all about power not necessarily money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, BillStime said: Democrats aren’t the ones tying border funding with Ukraine aide - Republicans are - lmao. Source? The Republicans brought HR 2 across the house. What was the Democrats stand alone bill in the senate? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: It’s all about power not necessarily money To many, they are the same. Not to these two imo. Good for them. I disagree with just about every Liz Cheney stance but I respect the hell out of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, PetermansRedemption said: Source? The Republicans brought HR 2 across the house. What was the Democrats stand alone bill in the senate? You don’t know that Ukraine has been tied to border security Have you been living under a rock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: You don’t know that Ukraine has been tied to border security Have you been living under a rock? I am a bit confused about the point you are trying to make here. I am arguing that it should not be tied to Ukraine funding. Why do these things have to be tied together at all? Why can't our government just function and bring an actual bill across to fix an actual problem. I'd prefer it not be stuffed with more pork than a hog farm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 13 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: I am a bit confused about the point you are trying to make here. I am arguing that it should not be tied to Ukraine funding. Why do these things have to be tied together at all? Why can't our government just function and bring an actual bill across to fix an actual problem. I'd prefer it not be stuffed with more pork than a hog farm. because that's how compromise works. give a little, take a little... Edited January 25 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Why should we have to compromise with people that hold the position “third worlders are going to replace you and your people and we think it’s funny” Thankfully at least one person seems to agree with me. Edited January 25 by LeviF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiGoose Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Are there actually people out there who are so self-deluded that they actually believe that the GOP wants to solve the border crisis? It defies all evidence, logic, root cause analysis, and understanding of political science, so it’s hard for me to believe that there are rubes who actually buy that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 11 minutes ago, LeviF said: Why should we have to compromise with people that hold the position “third worlders are going to replace you and your people and we think it’s funny” Thankfully at least one person seems to agree with me. cuz that's how it gets done. u want it or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, PetermansRedemption said: I am a bit confused about the point you are trying to make here. I am arguing that it should not be tied to Ukraine funding. Why do these things have to be tied together at all? Why can't our government just function and bring an actual bill across to fix an actual problem. I'd prefer it not be stuffed with more pork than a hog farm. I am sorry that I misunderstood that you were trying to say I agree that these things should not be tied together 38 minutes ago, LeviF said: Why should we have to compromise with people that hold the position “third worlders are going to replace you and your people and we think it’s funny” Thankfully at least one person seems to agree with me. Because they’re not being attacked I promise you, the Alamo will still be there in the morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Joe knows Joe. Edited January 25 by US Egg 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 hours ago, US Egg said: Joe knows Joe. The man had common sense with that take. But done lost it with his current actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LeviF Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 29 minutes ago, Tiberius said: As I said before. Incredibly cynical take: governors who ordinarily do nothing good are now suddenly hearing the cries of their constituents and acting on this issue? Why? Brian ***** Kemp stands with Greg Abbott? Give me a break. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Welp. He is failing on both. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Callahan Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 This is what the Dems support. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 25 Author Share Posted January 25 GOP's purely political issue. They care nothing about immigration, except as a political issue 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 …..more specifically, to protect from peaceful Leftists. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, US Egg said: …..more specifically, to protect from peaceful Leftists. why do you hate facts? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 12 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: Source? The Republicans brought HR 2 across the house. What was the Democrats stand alone bill in the senate? Open mouth and insert foot. House Speaker Mike Johnson insisting on border changes in Ukraine aid deal Republicans threaten to reject Ukraine aid unless Democrats agree to tighten U.S. immigration laws Cruz, Cornyn join Senate Republicans in demanding border overhaul for Ukraine aid GOP senator says Republicans won’t budge on Ukraine without border action Senate Republicans block Ukraine and Israel aid as they demand border policy changes Republicans block Ukraine funding over US-Mexico border despite Biden pleas - The Kremlin has celebrated the gridlock, saying it hopes US lawmakers will keep axing Biden’s aid plan. <-- you proud bro? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 41 minutes ago, BillStime said: Another decent R. Sure wish there were more. Romney is recognizable as an actual R. Most are not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 45 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Another decent R. Sure wish there were more. Romney is recognizable as an actual R. Most are not. Yeah. And I'm sure you agreed that he would "put y'all back in chains" and that whole "binders full of women" thing, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 what a mess https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4427922-senate-republicans-trump-ukraine-border-security-deal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 7 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: Welp. He is failing on both. It may be the Republicans should get off their ass and take the deal that Biden is offering them for help with the border The Democrats messaging on this is terrible because the people that take these polls don’t realize that it’s the Republicans that are the ones holding things up Edited January 25 by John from Riverside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I stand with Texas! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I stand with Texas! 👍 If you stand with Texas, then help your country by writing to these gop who are not helping them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: It may be the Republicans should get off their ass and take the deal that Biden is offering them for help with the border The Democrats messaging on this is terrible because the people that take these polls don’t realize that it’s the Republicans that are the ones holding things up The Dems are losing on messaging because people know securing the border is what we should be doing, period. There is no need to compromise on anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: If you stand with Texas, then help your country by writing to these gop who are not helping them GOP is not needed for the federal govt to enforce the laws already on the books… But we already know, that because Biden lied about the migrants being asylum seekers (in order to get as many into the country as possible), he has ZERO interest in enforcing the law…it’s all for show, to distract…👍 The jig is up…everyone sees what’s going on now… Edited January 25 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 10 hours ago, Tommy Callahan said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 13 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I stand with Texas! 👍 of course u are. you're an insurrectionist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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