GunnerBill Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 14 minutes ago, PBF81 said: The question is why is our offense underperforming, and that we vehemently disagree on. There are no good or valid reasons. So why do you think it is underperforming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I'm actually hoping the Jags win. Just like I hoped the Steelers won yesterday. I want all the pressure on the Bills and McD today. Win and take the #2 spot. Or lose and go home. Let's see what this team really has when they're backs are against the wall. Maybe they'll show up for once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So why do you think it is underperforming? Come on now, we've been through this. But the drops and TOs haven't been off of what they've been that past three seasons, and we went 13-3 with a more difficult schedule twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, PBF81 said: Come on now, we've been through this. But the drops and TOs haven't been off of what they've been that past three seasons, and we went 13-3 with a more difficult schedule twice. I don't think we have been through it. Why do you think the offense is underperforming? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't think we have been through it. Why do you think the offense is underperforming? We have been through it and to be honest, not sure I feel like wrangling on this again right now. But, consider, as mentioned ... The best OL we've had in years with absolutely no starting OL missing any significant time. Allen Add Kincaid Shakir in his second season Easiest schedule on the defensive side that we've had since Allen's matured. Cook playing better than any RB on McD's watch. TOs and Drops as you cited are on par with the past three seasons, two of which we went 13-3. Yet, our performance lags. We're struggling to hit 11 wins and may not. What's the one primary thing missing from the above mix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, PBF81 said: We have been through it and to be honest, not sure I feel like wrangling on this again right now. But, consider, as mentioned ... The best OL we've had in years with absolutely no starting OL missing any significant time. Allen Add Kincaid Shakir in his second season Easiest schedule on the defensive side that we've had since Allen's matured. Cook playing better than any RB on McD's watch. TOs and Drops as you cited are on par with the past three seasons, two of which we went 13-3. Yet, our performance lags. We're struggling to hit 11 wins and may not. What's the one primary thing missing from the above mix? An OC and a Head Coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: An OC and a Head Coach. Mrs. Riley, and only Mrs. Riley ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 13 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Mrs. Riley, and only Mrs. Riley ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawning Frog Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) after all of the gut punches this team has given me over the years, I don't expect anything different tonight. I expect the worse hope for the best. Edited January 7 by Yawning Frog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 21 minutes ago, PBF81 said: We have been through it and to be honest, not sure I feel like wrangling on this again right now. But, consider, as mentioned ... The best OL we've had in years with absolutely no starting OL missing any significant time. Allen Add Kincaid Shakir in his second season Easiest schedule on the defensive side that we've had since Allen's matured. Cook playing better than any RB on McD's watch. TOs and Drops as you cited are on par with the past three seasons, two of which we went 13-3. Yet, our performance lags. We're struggling to hit 11 wins and may not. What's the one primary thing missing from the above mix? So you think it is coaching? What precisely? Play calling? Scheme? What? I am struggling to see where you are going with it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I do. Meathead probably relishes making another coach and team as miserable as he is heading into the off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: So you think it is coaching? What precisely? Play calling? Scheme? What? I am struggling to see where you are going with it. It has to be just the amorphous “coaching” GB. Come on. I mean, Shakir is in his second season. What a thunderous endorsement of him as a player. Edited January 7 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: It has to be just the amorphous “coaching” GB. Come on. I mean, Shakir is in his second season. What a thunderous endorsement of him as a player. I think there is a coaching element to it, and I am happy to have that conversation but just saying "coaching" isn't an answer to anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think there is a coaching element to it, and I am happy to have that conversation but just saying "coaching" isn't an answer to anything. What else has changed? Seems as if everything else was in our favor. There are obviously reasons and things to discuss, just not in the mood for something that's been discussed ad nauseum to date. As well, it's not as if us arguing about it is going to change even the slightest thing about it. So what's the point. Enjoy the game this evening. If we make the playoffs, perhaps that will, once again, shed some more light on the topic. ... and reading the last few comments, you wonder why I don't want to discuss it. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think there is a coaching element to it, and I am happy to have that conversation but just saying "coaching" isn't an answer to anything. Imo, the offensive coaching has been much improved since Dorsey got canned. I think Diggs had hit a wall, and Josh was turning it over far too much without the reward the way Dorsey was calling games. Brady switching to Cook heavy, letting Josh run (which, to be fair, Dorsey may not have been allowed to do) and less focusing on Gabe Davis from most gameplans has been a huge reason we have won games down this stretch. It hasn’t looked super pretty, but there’s not much more you can expect Brady to do midseason. Especially with Diggs either injured, aging before our eyes, or quitting on the team. The reason the Bills were in this hole can really be objectively summed up as an offensive slump (that Dorsey couldn’t coach his way out of), and a defensive slump (due to a large amount of catastrophic defensive injuries, and some coaching issues as well). I think they have found their level since the bye. Some folks want everything to be McD’s fault. Even if we are the 2 seed when the clock strikes midnight tonight, he will get very little credit for weathering the storm that other good coaches ALWAYS get, like Harbaugh and Tomlin. It will be “it shouldn’t have been a question in the first place,” like we have some All Star roster, instead of Josh, a good OL and good running back and everything else meh and a defense that’s outperforming it’s weight class by about 10x (coaching). Edited January 7 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think there is a coaching element to it, and I am happy to have that conversation but just saying "coaching" isn't an answer to anything. I like your take. It's definitely a bunch of stuff adding up. But imo it starts and ends with coaching. Game planning, play calling, discipline, execution, accountability. All of the mistakes the players make are on the players, but even that rolls up to coaching. And we know the Offense has been a rudderless ship since McD focuses only on Defense. AND we're down to an Interim OC on top of that. Layer in the usual injuries and dings and here we are. 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: Some folks want everything to be McD’s fault. Even if we are the 2 seed when the clock strikes midnight tonight, he will get very little credit for weathering the storm that other good coaches ALWAYS get, like Harbaugh and Tomlin. It will be “it shouldn’t have been a question in the first place,” like we have some All Star roster, instead of Josh, a good OL and good running back and everything else meh and a defense that’s outperforming it’s weight class by about 10x (coaching). What storm has Harbaugh weathered this season? Tomlin for sure, he has no QB and is still pulling out a double-digit win season. The Bills have their QB. They have talent. They, like the Ravens, are mostly healthy. They're just completely inconsistent on which team shows up to play or not play. Unlike the Ravens who show up to beat up the other team every week. Harbaugh is doing the job McD should be doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I like your take. It's definitely a bunch of stuff adding up. But imo it starts and ends with coaching. Game planning, play calling, discipline, execution, accountability. All of the mistakes the players make are on the players, but even that rolls up to coaching. And we know the Offense has been a rudderless ship since McD focuses only on Defense. AND we're down to an Interim OC on top of that. Layer in the usual injuries and dings and here we are. What storm has Harbaugh weathered this season? Tomlin for sure, he has no QB and is still pulling out a double-digit win season. The Bills have their QB. They have talent. They, like the Ravens, are mostly healthy. They're just completely inconsistent on which team shows up to play or not play. Unlike the Ravens who show up to beat up the other team every week. Harbaugh is doing the job McD should be doing. Not this year for sure, but Harbaugh has gotten a lot of credit for having his team in the mix, even when things look their worst in Ravens land. Harbaugh survived winning one playoff game since 2014 and multiple “down” years since then. A lot of them with Flacco and/or Lamar. Harbaugh survived having LJ being the unanimous MVP, and the one seed, and getting punked in their first playoff game. Harbaugh survived getting ABSOLUTELY out coached in the divisional round in 2020. I disagree the health of the Ravens and the Bills are the same. Roquan Smith has been a huge piece for them. If they lost him, I don’t think Lamar has already locked up the MVP (from a win perspective). I also disagree that their talent is the same. But regardless, the Ravens went 8-9 and 10-7 with a one and done playoff run the last two seasons with Lamar. I think most agree the fan base wouldn’t want to give McD that chance to retool with two years like that. Jmo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I had a good feeling, but then realized it was just gas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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