billsfan714 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Maybe he can consult with Dorsey on how to get Diggs the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, Chugga said: Players are not executing. But also haven’t been in love with some of his play designs depending on down and distances Because he is still using Dorseys playbook, he had no choice being a mid season hire. I believe he is 100% hamstrung buy Dorseys bad play designs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kincaid Kool-Aid Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: Because he is still using Dorseys playbook, he had no choice being a mid season hire. I believe he is 100% hamstrung buy Dorseys bad play designs. Fair point, but if that’s the case his actual offense is an unknown and it’s a big gamble to roll with him into next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I think McD will give Brady another chance next season when he has a full off season, OTA’s and training camp to implement “his” offense. I think Brady gets a 2-3 year deal and they will give him a chance next year to show he can do this when he has his own playbook and offense to run. Will it work? Who knows. That’s just the route I expect the Bills to take. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 The quick behind the LOS pass to anyone needs to be removed from the playbook. When was the last time Buffalo ran a Jets sweep? Buffalo needs to draft someone with some real speed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 51 minutes ago, wjag said: The quick behind the LOS pass to anyone needs to be removed from the playbook. When was the last time Buffalo ran a Jets sweep? Buffalo needs to draft someone with some real speed. They supposedly brought in Harty and Sherfield for their speed. And that has done us absolutely nothing this year. Speed is certainly something Buffalo could use on offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 55 minutes ago, wjag said: The quick behind the LOS pass to anyone needs to be removed from the playbook. When was the last time Buffalo ran a Jets sweep? Buffalo needs to draft someone with some real speed. Bills need to stop promoting in house and go after a real OC. Maybe a redesign of the playbook. They have no imagination in their play calling. It’s like constantly watching a pre season offense. Edited December 31, 2023 by BIGFOOTspaceman 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, wjag said: The quick behind the LOS pass to anyone needs to be removed from the playbook. When was the last time Buffalo ran a Jets sweep? Buffalo needs to draft someone with some real speed. So the problem is that that's our only consistent positive yardage passing play. Our WRs are not consistently separating downfield. So I think Brady is just trying to engineer some kind of rhythm in the passing offense. Not an easy needle to thread when Diggs is playing like nothing more than a decent #2 and everyone behind him is a JAG, not to mention our IOL has been pretty bad for a few weeks now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: So the problem is that that's our only consistent positive yardage passing play. Our WRs are not consistently separating downfield. So I think Brady is just trying to engineer some kind of rhythm in the passing offense. Not an easy needle to thread when Diggs is playing like nothing more than a decent #2 and everyone behind him is a JAG, not to mention our IOL has been pretty bad for a few weeks now. Or….or possibly going with one rookie OC from inside the organization after another …instead of a more established candidate ain’t the answer…..I mean rookie Joe Brady vs Bellicheck or Ravens D? Did anyone even know Brady existed before Dorsey was cut? Edited January 1 by TH3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Just now, TH3 said: Or….or possibly going with one rookie OC from inside the organization after another …instead of a more established candidate ain’t the answer…..I mean rookie Joe Brady vs Bellicheck or Ravens D? If we want a substantial improvement in offensive coaching, it will have to come at the top. That's the reality. So if McDermott is here for the long haul we should probably start seriously investing in the offensive weapons to compensate for the inevitable less than elite offensive coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: If we want a substantial improvement in offensive coaching, it will have to come at the top. That's the reality. So if McDermott is here for the long haul we should probably start seriously investing in the offensive weapons to compensate for the inevitable less than elite offensive coaching. You can buy the best ingredients….but if the chef sucks…..My fear is the Bills/McD too insular to look outside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, TH3 said: You can buy the best ingredients….but if the chef sucks…..My fear is the Bills/McD too insular to look outside Quality of passing weapons is by far the 2nd biggest indicator of offensive success (obviously QB #1) in the modern NFL. Like did Andy Reid forget how to coach offense this year? This year especially the best offenses have multiple very good or better pass catchers. Our offense doesn't even have one very good pass catcher right now. It really is that simple. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Quality of passing weapons is by far the 2nd biggest indicator of offensive success (obviously QB #1) in the modern NFL. Like did Andy Reid forget how to coach offense this year? This year especially the best offenses have multiple very good or better pass catchers. Our offense doesn't even have one very good pass catcher right now. It really is that simple. Andy Reid has proven to be one of the best offensive minds in the NFL. Brady has proven nothing. Let’s stack the odds in our favor and get a proven OC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Keep thinking about that Gruden clip this week about Oline coach and OC I think the Oline has been brutal the last 2 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Just now, TH3 said: Andy Reid has proven to be one of the best offensive minds in the NFL. Brady has proven nothing. Let’s stack the odds in our favor and get a proven OC. No such thing as a proven OC looking for a job. Most proven OCs are head coaches, and the ones that aren't are soon to be head coaches. We have to get it out of our heads that a Kyle Shanahan level genius is going to show up and save the day, not unless we plan on firing McDermott in the offseason. So at this point we just need to add talent. Even making an effort to add talent would be an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouds Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Im more of this is on the players than on the coaches. Long enough sample at this point of them pooping the bed with drops, ints, poor reads, fumbles. It’s rough watching this team trying to pass the ball. I’m getting nervous on every drop back because I feel something bad is going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 On 12/11/2023 at 2:17 PM, Mikie2times said: -The 4 weeks prior to Dorsey being let go we ranked 8th in EPA on offense and scored 21.5 PPG. Both those numbers only go up if you take that data back further. -The 3 weeks Brady has been OC we rank 8th in EPA on offense and scored 28.6 PPG. We have generated almost 7 more PPG in the sample with Brady but in the same sample our defense ranked 9th in EPA vs 32nd in the previous 4 when Dorsey was here. -The Jets game was an avalanche -Philly actually has a trash defense this year. Not sure if everybody has followed that. It also took a historic 3rd down performance in the Philly game to do some of the things we did. -Then we obviously just saw the KC game What you can see with Joe B is more emphasis in the run game. A complete shift in utilizing Cooke as a receiver which is really exciting since we haven't seen any RB featured in the passing game in a long time. Josh does look more comfortable right now as well which is probably the most important thing. All this is good but I almost feel like we are just starving for competency to the point that we have anointed him when really it's not a crazy variance off what we saw before. EPA ranges in these levels would be historically poor for this offense. Still, I see the progress and I'm very happy he is here vs Dorsey, I just don't know if I'm ready to hand him the keys to a race car. I guess I was hoping we would look at seeing who is the best in the offseason and perhaps we still will. Nothing we can do now but this offence needs an infusion of speed at skilled position. Our receivers do not create enough separation, this will always be a passing league. Losers with no QB focus on running the ball, we need a coordinator that focuses on passing game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: No such thing as a proven OC looking for a job. Most proven OCs are head coaches, and the ones that aren't are soon to be head coaches. We have to get it out of our heads that a Kyle Shanahan level genius is going to show up and save the day, not unless we plan on firing McDermott in the offseason. So at this point we just need to add talent. Even making an effort to add talent would be an upgrade. I thought this thread was about Joe Brady…..my answer is I am quite sure the Bills can do better and they should look outside the organization. My fear is the won’t. HNY. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, TH3 said: I thought this thread was about Joe Brady…..my answer is I am quite sure the Bills can do better and they should look outside the organization. My fear is the won’t. HNY. I think you'll find that any offensive coach would have trouble calling a consistent passing offense with below average pass catchers and an average OL. I don't really care if they keep Brady or hire someone else. It's not going to be a massive difference in either direction until they upgrade the personnel. In Brady's favor I will say I think he has done a good job attempting to lean into our strengths. The issue is we don't have a lot of strengths. Allen making a few great throws a game is pretty much all we got. Almost every completed pass looks difficult. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I think you'll find that any offensive coach would have trouble calling a consistent passing offense with below average pass catchers and an average OL. I don't really care if they keep Brady or hire someone else. It's not going to be a massive difference in either direction until they upgrade the personnel. In Brady's favor I will say I think he has done a good job attempting to lean into our strengths. The issue is we don't have a lot of strengths. Allen making a few great throws a game is pretty much all we got. Almost every completed pass looks difficult. Nah….for reference Bellicheck is a great DC and he makes a bunch of no name players always look good on D. Again ….are we talking about whether JB is our guy…and you say whatever….ummm Ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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