Scott7975 Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Offense was fine v Jags v Pats No they weren't. Against the Jags they scored 7 points going into the 4th quarter and 20 points overall. Against the Pats they scored 10 points going into the 4th quarter and 25 points overall. The defense may have had game losing drives but it was the defense that kept them in the game at all. The offense did nothing for most of both of those games. In no world was the offense fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: No they weren't. Against the Jags they scored 7 points going into the 4th quarter and 20 points overall. Against the Pats they scored 10 points going into the 4th quarter and 25 points overall. The defense may have had game losing drives but it was the defense that kept them in the game at all. The offense did nothing for most of both of those games. In no world was the offense fine. 😂😂😂Are you under the impression that point scored in the fourth quarter are less valuable or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: 😂😂😂Are you under the impression that point scored in the fourth quarter are less valuable or something Less valuable, no. Are you under the impression that the other 3/4 of football are meaningless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: Less valuable, no. Are you under the impression that the other 3/4 of football are meaningless? The eagles only has 14points going into the 4th quarter v Bills Was their offense the reason they lost to us😂😂😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, GoBills808 said: The eagles only has 14points going into the 4th quarter v Bills Was their offense the reason they lost to us😂😂😂 No, our defense, special teams, and coaching was. Edited December 2, 2023 by Scott7975 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Right 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: No, our defense, special teams, and caoching was. Right...so it didn't matter that the eagles scored a bunch of points in the 4th quarter as opposed to the rest of the game because clearly scoring late in games does not hurt your chances of winning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 10:33 AM, Bermuda Triangle said: Huh? In the Minnesota game, the Bills went up 27-10 with 1:51 left in the 3rd quarter. A mere 17 seconds later, Dalvin Cook ripped off an 81-yard TD run. And we'll all remember the 4th and 18 Justin Jefferson catch, on which play I'm not sure exactly what Cam Lewis was doing. Minnesota rolled up 480+ yards of offense. In the Hail Murray game, the Bills went up 23-9 with 9:52 left in the 3rd quarter, and fell behind 23-26 before the end of the 3rd quarter. AZ had 450+ yards of total offense. What happened to the offense in both of those games after going up early? It's why we hear about complimentary football ad nauseam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: What happened to the offense in both of those games after going up early? It's why we hear about complimentary football ad nauseam. Lmfao So scoring points late is bad, but also scoring points early is bad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Just now, GoBills808 said: Lmfao So scoring points late is bad, but also scoring points early is bad Both are preferable. The middle as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 The only way the offense can be said to have played well is if they score a minimum of 30 points, per game, distributed evenly throughout each quarter 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Both are preferable. The middle as well. New to this football I see 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) On 11/30/2023 at 11:26 PM, BananaB said: Guess McD should get on the phone and beg Leslie to come back It’s the same defense. We’ve been losing this way for years. The difference is there’s less talent and aging players. 11 hours ago, JTown said: I think that offensively yes they will. Frankly, I think that we will play Dallas very similar to the Seattle game last night. I will not be surprised if McClappy allows Dallas to drive down the field for a game winning score. I mean really, how many times are we going to do this? McClappy is NOT going to change his defensive strategy, particularly late in the game. Our only chance of beating Dallas is that they struggle offensively due to the weather. The answer is 5. He’s going to do it 5 more times. Edited December 2, 2023 by Governor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: The only way the offense can be said to have played well is if they score a minimum of 30 points, per game, distributed evenly throughout each quarter New to this football I see Yes. I want exactly 7.5 points per quarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/29/2023 at 7:00 PM, Mister Defense said: Thank you for this, as I had wanted to know this important information. I thought this was the case, as I cannot recall this happening very much under Frazier, with mainly the KC playoff game coming to mind. And I cannot recall ever feeling like I do now, that the defense was going to allow some late in game or over time drives to blow the game. A huge reason why McDermott will not be the DC next year, and in my view, why Frazier is once again leading the defense. I still believe either: 1) Frazier was given the opportunity to walk away rather than be fired or 2) McD wanted to make the defensive calls, so Frazier didn’t want to stick around I don’t think Frazier returns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 5:27 AM, Ethan in Cleveland said: Yup and until Frazier says differently I firmly believe McD called the defense for 13 seconds. He called a defensive TO before both KC plays. Yep, the timeouts just added to my WTF reaction, especially the 2nd one. You call a timeout to set up a defense where 2 defenders are in a zone and let Kelce run right between them to catch that pass?! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 When you allow the opposing offennse to control the ball, rack up yards and convert 3rd downs the offense is feeling pressure when they finally get on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTown Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Governor said: It’s the same defense. We’ve been losing this way for years. The difference is there’s less talent and aging players. The answer is 5. He’s going to do it 5 more times. Are you willing to wager money on your prediction? I have a very expensive hobby and could use about 8k for a new transmission. Dead serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 hour ago, BobbyC81 said: I still believe either: 1) Frazier was given the opportunity to walk away rather than be fired or 2) McD wanted to make the defensive calls, so Frazier didn’t want to stick around I don’t think Frazier returns. I agree and it could be a mixture of both. McDermott said he wants to take over play calling but wanted Frazier to remain on staff as a mentor to the player and advisor. Frazier didn't want to give up the play calling so he resigned. I don't even think there's any personal grudge between the two. Just seems like the simplest explanation to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Right Right...so it didn't matter that the eagles scored a bunch of points in the 4th quarter as opposed to the rest of the game because clearly scoring late in games does not hurt your chances of winning Your argument is that scoring 20 points on offense is fine, bro. Philly scored 34 in regulation. If the Bills scored 34 in either one of those games then your point would have merit because it obviously wouldn't have hurt them, but scoring only 20 and 25 did. Edited December 2, 2023 by Scott7975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Your argument is that scoring 20 points on offense is fine, bro. Philly scored 34 in regulation. If the Bills scored 34 in either one of those games then your point would have merit because it obviously wouldn't have hurt them, but scoring only 20 and 25 did. Scoring 25 points against the Patriots beats them literally every single game this season other than when they dropped 29 on us. If you cannot conclude giving up 29 to Mac Jones is the primary reason we lost that game we can just drop this conversation because we will never agree 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/29/2023 at 9:23 PM, Scott7975 said: I seen these on twitter today. Not sure if they have been posted somewhere here or not but I thought people would find them interesting My favorite part of this post is that it completely invalidates the criticism of McD's defense PRIOR to this season, but we still hear that narrative that it's a consistent theme throughout his tenure. 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Scoring 25 points against the Patriots beats them literally every single game this season other than when they dropped 29 on us. If you cannot conclude giving up 29 to Mac Jones is the primary reason we lost that game we can just drop this conversation because we will never agree Do you think that Dorsey deserved to get fired? Honest question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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