Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, JMM said: Not sure I understand your point. Dorsey was not doing a good job and was fired. Josh is also not doing a good job either. He is impatient, bails early, misses open wrs, is hesitant to run, and has made bad decisions leading to him leading the entire league in turnovers, yet again. The solution is hopefully better coordination, but if Josh is unable to clean things up and Play the way he can, very little will change. Well I know one thing, Allen’s running is never coming back. McDermott and Beane (he mentioned it as well at the year 2022 end of the year press conference) that Allen shouldn’t be running and if he does he needs to slide and get out bounds. So that’s gone. My point was the offense utilizes little to no real motion, limited play action, limited under center looks, no Allen running, and these routes is to lend themselves to checking the ball down as quickly as possibly. Combine that with the minimal investment at WR over the years, and it’s not surprising we’re here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Bob Jones said: Just watched Warners reviw. That 4th down play is a real eye opener. Both guys running the short flat routes...Cook on the left and Kincaid on the right....would have been good choices for JA to go to right away, but after he doesn't, and he scrambles to the right, BOTH of those guys turn and take of flying to go straight down the field. Both of them, after turning upfield and taking off, just had to put on the brakes and turn around (especially Kincaid because he was on the right side, same side that JA scrambled to), and both of them would have been 7-10 yards past the 1st down marker, and would have been an easy 1st down pitch & catch. Both of those guys' situational awareness was TERRIBLE. Did they not know it was 4th down and only about 2 yards to go?! It's just mind boggling.... It was just a horrible play call regardless. 2 yards needed, so we line up in the shotgun and pass, 6-7 yards away from where we need to go. We were averaging 9+ a carry. A designed Allen run feels like it would have been a sure thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Well I know one thing, Allen’s running is never coming back. McDermott and Beane (he mentioned it as well at the year 2022 end of the year press conference) that Allen shouldn’t be running and if he does he needs to slide and get out bounds. So that’s gone. My point was the offense utilizes little to no real motion, limited play action, limited under center looks, no Allen running, and these routes is to lend themselves to checking the ball down as quickly as possibly. Combine that with the minimal investment at WR over the years, and it’s not surprising we’re here. Not true regarding his running. Planned runs have been part of the game plan again recently. Not crazy about that long term, if you have to rely on your qb as your best runner, you have serious issues as an O. However I'm talking about his incredible ability to move and run after being pressured. That needs to continue and not have that natural instinctive part of his game be neutered. He can still do that and slide and go out of bounds. Again that's on him to realize he needs to avoid contact. He has done a bit better with that this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JMM said: Not true regarding his running. Planned runs have been part of the game plan again recently. Not crazy about that long term, if you have to rely on your qb as your best runner, you have serious issues as an O. However I'm talking about his incredible ability to move and run after being pressured. That needs to continue and not have that natural instinctive part of his game be neutered. He can still do that and slide and go out of bounds. Again that's on him to realize he needs to avoid contact. He has done a bit better with that this year. No it is true, yes I saw that one designed run where Allen got 3 yards, or the Bucs game where he got 6. Its been taken out of the offense. Ironically, the way pressure has worked out, Allen already has 7 TDs rushing this year, almost all of them scrambles in the red zone. Edited November 16, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 19 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Well I know one thing, Allen’s running is never coming back. McDermott and Beane (he mentioned it as well at the year 2022 end of the year press conference) that Allen shouldn’t be running and if he does he needs to slide and get out bounds. So that’s gone. My point was the offense utilizes little to no real motion, limited play action, limited under center looks, no Allen running, and these routes is to lend themselves to checking the ball down as quickly as possibly. Combine that with the minimal investment at WR over the years, and it’s not surprising we’re here. I think the whole sentence is "Allen's running is never coming back under this coaching staff" The good news is, they shouldnt be around much longer. Whichever new Offensive coach we bring in should be ready to unleash the beast. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I think the whole sentence is "Allen's running is never coming back under this coaching staff" The good news is, they shouldnt be around much longer. Whichever new Offensive coach we bring in should be ready to unleash the beast. That's really up to Terry. I do agree with you that McDermott has had enough time and now he's talking about "sub-cultures" in the building with the Joe Brady move - he's scrambling now. Honestly, he sounds like all the bad coaches here do at the end - it's culture, toughness, correcting mistakes, watching tape, going back to basics and fundamentals. He's out of answers. The decision to keep the 2020 roster in-tact as much as possible, rolling it over year to year, has led to an older, more expensive roster, prone to injuries. Allen sounds like he's lost confidence, talking about having "no choice" but to soldier on with Brady, and avoiding turnovers at all cost. After McDermott eventually gets fired, we're going to hear about about his iron fist rule, how he was difficult to get along with, was a know-it-all, and stuck in the past. Edited November 16, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 23 hours ago, John from Riverside said: There are only so many coaching positions in the NFL, and they are filled by the very best literally you could not have one of these positions What do you do in your life that makes you so successful to look down on the others Filled by the very best? Is that why Dorsey got fired? He wasn’t the very best? So apparently these jobs are not filled by the very best. Oh and what about Frazier? Was he the very best? Which brings into question McDermott. He hired these guys. Oh and you needed a question mark after others. And since you asked, I do whatever I want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I think the whole sentence is "Allen's running is never coming back under this coaching staff" The good news is, they shouldnt be around much longer. Whichever new Offensive coach we bring in should be ready to unleash the beast. We are going 12-5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: We are going 12-5. Aww, bless your heart. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Combine that with the minimal investment at WR over the years, and it’s not surprising we’re here. You forgot to add minimum investment in the offensive line which is even a bigger problem. Since McD has been coach (2017) the Bills have not spent a #1 pick on an O lineman nor have they signed a big time FA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Aww, bless your heart. Do you remember how this story ended? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: You forgot to add minimum investment in the offensive line which is even a bigger problem. Since McD has been coach (2017) the Bills have not spent a #1 pick on an O lineman nor have they signed a big time FA. This is wrapped up in Beane/McDermott’s philosophy to carry over as much of the 2020 team over to 2021, 2022, and 2023. The run it back again approach is partially why the roster has gotten expensive, been focused on defense, and only has cap room for low tier offensive line free agents. That philosophy of cheap bandaids on the line has been how Beane has viewed the last several years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Are you just thinking more Diggs, and more Kincaid? Or is there another player on the bench that is coming in and providing these plays? I've commented previously that it doesn't take elite play design to get the ball into Harty's hands 2 times a game based on the Miami and New England catch, but that's not some big lever for this offense. I'm thinking Diggs is elite, Kincaid is very good and may be elite with time, Cook can be explosive if they get him the ball in space, Shakir has been good. Davis is Davis. He is boom or bust but can make explosive plays and has many. Harty or another guy off the bench, who knows as they don't use them and when they have they aren't used well. It doesn't take elite play design to have explosive plays but the play design we have this year isn't really geared for explosive plays or very good usage of our guys/Josh. Like it might be a good offense, but it isn't clicking for these guys. They need to do better. Our talent is better than the Chiefs this year. Probably better than what the Chiefs had last year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Do you remember how this story ended? Their coach went on to buy a bunch of property in Nevada with the idea to hit the San Andreas fault with missiles? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Their coach went on to buy a bunch of property in Nevada with the idea to hit the San Andreas fault with missiles? Otisburg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: We are going 12-5. From what I have read here and heard on WGR, Dorsey was what was holding us back. Now that McClappy has thrown Dorsey under the bus, there should be no reason why we should not go undefeated for the rest of the season and win the Super Bowl. Edited November 16, 2023 by Peter 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Just now, Peter said: From what I have read here and heard on WGR, Dorsey what was holding us back. Now that McClappy has thrown Dorsey under the bus, there should be no reason why we should not go undefeated for the rest of the season and win the Super Bowl. Link any posts that say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Link any posts that say that. Read the incessant threads about firing Dorsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Otisburg Just a little town outside of Luthorville 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Peter said: Read the incessant threads about firing Dorsey. Most teams' fans want to fire the OC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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