Does the 2023 Bills defence get a pass because McD is coaching it?

[GoBills808]

11 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Again, you are failing to see the point that it is all connected.  The poor offensive play contributed to the poor 3rd down defense, along with the injuries.  Your premise that the defensive issues are McD's fault is asinine.

The Falcons defense held the Jags to fewer yards and points w a significantly more inept offense

[GunnerBill]

They get a pass yesterday because by the 2nd series they were down:

 

Their best defensive player

Both starting corners

Their best EDGE player (at least until Von proves himself healthy)

And their 1T

 

By the end of the game (when the Jags scored two touchdowns) they had a practice squad defensive tackle on their 1st team DL as an edge. 

[BananaB]

No pass at all. Since Josh was drafted the defense has always been put ahead of the O. Countless picks who are slow to develop and numerous FA signings to play ahead of them. Don’t care about injuries, just get the job done. Sunday I seen the same defense that struggled to get off the field and gave up long sustaining drives late last season. Just getting old. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The Falcons defense held the Jags to fewer yards and points w a significantly more inept offense

And?

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

The Falcons defense held the Jags to fewer yards and points w a significantly more inept offense

Jags flew to London on Thursday before that game fwiw. 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

And?

I thought you and everyone else in this thread were making the point that the Bills offensive performance was just to poor to overcome

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

shhhh!!!!  Can't say that.  

 

Cincy was down 3 OL vs. Bills in the playoffs yet overcame.

 

It seems like you want a lot of credit for this thread.  Nobody knows why, but that's what it seems like.

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

I thought you and everyone else in this thread were making the point that the Bills offensive performance was just to poor to overcome

It was part of it

[Brand J]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

no.

 

i am expecting schemes and gameplans that can match the offense.

 

the first two series against the raiders we were outplayed, outcoached, and exposed a little bit. that an offense can prepare a gameplan in one week and execute against our defense week 2 with jimmy g at the helm was concerning.

 

our players make the defense great, not coach.

Oh okay, so outside of the first two series against the Raiders did the defense atone for their slow start? Was it worth complaining about their performance? Again, you’re expecting perfection, robots, the other team gets paid to make plays too. As I said earlier, if the offense could sustain drives and put up points against the Jags, Bills win. It’s really that simple. There would be no complaints about the defensive performance after the game. But because we lost, here you are…?
 

The defense kept us in that game and got the ball back for the offense multiple times. This was mostly an offensive failure, that’s not to completely absolve the defense, but the game was lost on the offensive side of the ball. There’s no other way to slice it, no matter your dislike of the defensive coaches.

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

It was part of it

Which part? How was the Falcons defense able to limit the Jags to 16 first downs, 5/14 on third down, and just 300total yards of offense when their offense turned the ball over 3 times and could only muster 287 total yards?

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Oh okay, so outside of the first two series against the Raiders did the defense atone for their slow start? Was it worth complaining about their performance? Again, you’re expecting perfection, robots, the other team gets paid to make plays too. As I said earlier, if the offense could sustain drives and put up points against the Jags, Bills win. It’s really that simple. There would be no complaints about the defensive performance after the game. But because we lost, here you are…?
 

The defense kept us in that game and got the ball back for the offense multiple times. This was mostly an offensive failure, that’s not to completely absolve the defense, but the game was lost on the offensive side of the ball. There’s no other way to slice it, no matter your dislike of the defensive coaches.

youre really grasping at what i think. and i don't care about the offense in this thread.

 

i saw enough in those two series to be concerned. the offense had a gameplan they worked on and executed it well enough to take advantage of our defense who came out strong but not great.

 

and, there would be complaints.  too often i think people forget the situation we are in... we are fanatics of a team who spend our free time looking at an internet website to our favorite but obscure football team, listen to countless hours of wgr, and generally only hear the same information repeated over and over again so much so that when anyone contradicts what we tell ourselves we make threads roasting them.

 

and beyond that.... even if it was just 5-10 minutes of play that concerned me against oakland for our defense does not take away what was observed. the raiders did not play consistent when the script ran out.

[Warcodered]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

They get a pass yesterday because by the 2nd series they were down:

 

Their best defensive player

Both starting corners

Their best EDGE player (at least until Von proves himself healthy)

And their 1T

 

By the end of the game (when the Jags scored two touchdowns) they had a practice squad defensive tackle on their 1st team DL as an edge. 

But the Raiders scored 10 points on us....this is somehow relevant to this conversation. 🤷‍♂️

[Brand J]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

youre really grasping at what i think. and i don't care about the offense in this thread.

 

i saw enough in those two series to be concerned. the offense had a gameplan they worked on and executed it well enough to take advantage of our defense who came out strong but not great.

 

and, there would be complaints.  too often i think people forget the situation we are in... we are fanatics of a team who spend our free time looking at an internet website to our favorite but obscure football team, listen to countless hours of wgr, and generally only hear the same information repeated over and over again so much so that when anyone contradicts what we tell ourselves we make threads roasting them.

 

and beyond that.... even if it was just 5-10 minutes of play that concerned me against oakland for our defense does not take away what was observed. the raiders did not play consistent when the script ran out.

That’s the problem, you should. Can’t fault one undermanned unit for the loss without recognizing the bigger shortcomings on the other side of the ball. But hey, if you’re still the type to complain about a defensive performance that holds the other team to 10 total points, then that’s your prerogative I guess. 

[boyst]

Just now, JayBaller10 said:

That’s the problem, you should. Can’t fault one undermanned unit for the loss without recognizing the bigger shortcomings on the other side of the ball. But hey, if you’re still the type to complain about a defensive performance that holds the other team to 10 total points, then that’s your prerogative I guess. 

this thread is about the defense. not the ofense.

[Brand J]

Just now, boyst said:

this thread is about the defense. not the ofense.

Nothing is ever in a vacuum. The defense had its faults, no one is saying otherwise, but to ignore other circumstances that forced them to be on the field longer than they should have, doesn’t make for an intelligent argument. AND they were missing multiple high end starters. 

[Royale with Cheese]

15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Which part? How was the Falcons defense able to limit the Jags to 16 first downs, 5/14 on third down, and just 300total yards of offense when their offense turned the ball over 3 times and could only muster 287 total yards?

 

The Falcons defense had healthy players.

It wasn't just the talent level, it was exhaustion.  I don't think you saw Eli Ankou playing a significant amount on the edge because one DE is exhausted, the other one coming off the field and another on a pitch count....not to mention the other 2 starting ends were out.

[boyst]

2 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Nothing is ever in a vacuum. The defense had its faults, no one is saying otherwise, but to ignore other circumstances that forced them to be on the field longer than they should have, doesn’t make for an intelligent argument. AND they were missing multiple high end starters. 

I'm not ignoring the the offense. I'm just letting this thread focus on the defense.

 

Frankly, I'm not concerned the offense anyway. We have great skill players and Josh Allen. We can put 40 pts on anyone.

[Brand J]

18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Which part? How was the Falcons defense able to limit the Jags to 16 first downs, 5/14 on third down, and just 300total yards of offense when their offense turned the ball over 3 times and could only muster 287 total yards?

Let’s ignore the fact that both teams arrived in London at relatively the same time.
Is it possible Trevor Lawrence and that struggling offense got up for and simply played much better against the Bills? What are you trying to get at here? We’ve seen teams look all world one week and then crap the bed the next. Doesn’t mean they’re inferior to the teams they lost to, just means they didn’t have it that day. Even a putrid offense rises to the occasion every once in awhile and I wouldn’t call the Jags putrid, they’ve just been struggling. If the Bills offense could’ve stayed on the field and scored points, I surmise many would still believe the Jags were a struggling offense because they would’ve had less time to move the ball and they still might’ve done the things to shoot themselves in the foot.

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The Falcons defense had healthy players.

It wasn't just the talent level, it was exhaustion.  I don't think you saw Eli Ankou playing a significant amount on the edge because one DE is exhausted, the other one coming off the field and another on a pitch count....not to mention the other 2 starting ends were out.

I never disputed that the defense was at a personnel disadvantage, I disputed that they played well

[Brand J]

5 minutes ago, boyst said:

I'm not ignoring the the offense. I'm just letting this thread focus on the defense.

 

Frankly, I'm not concerned the offense anyway. We have great skill players and Josh Allen. We can put 40 pts on anyone.

Your first sentence is a contradiction. Zeroing in and focusing on one unit (all the while refusing to talk about or acknowledge the impact the other has on that unit) is by definition ignoring the offense. Doesn’t work like that. Can’t throw away circumstances.

 

This team will go as far as the offense carries them, so while all the defensive injuries suck, if the offense can’t duke it out with the KCs and MIAs, and any other unit across from them, it won’t matter anyway. I’m concerned about it all because I hope for a SB win.