FireChans Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: You don't think Kincaid can make a simple downfield play like this? I have no idea why we've relegated him to 5 yards or less check downs. Here's a crazy (awful) stat: Does Dorsey actually know how to use 12 personnel? Or is he just using it because he feels obligated? We paid one TE $13 million a year and used a 1st + 4th rounder on another. Why can't Dorsey get them more involved? He’s just so SMOOTH with the ball. @NewEra I’ll give you a chance to cash out now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, FireChans said: He’s just so SMOOTH with the ball. He is though! But when every catch is no more than 5 yards past the LOS, none of his skill set is going to shine through. He has made a few rookie mistakes but that doesn't mean he should be an afterthought in every game plan. At Utah he was running seam routes, verticals along the sideline, crossing routes. Where is all that stuff in his route tree here? It's not like we have a plethora of superstars stealing his targets. It's Diggs and a bunch of nobodies. He can't run the route that Knox did on his 3rd down dropped pass today? I just don't understand his usage at all. 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: He is though! But when every catch is no more than 5 yards past the LOS, none of his skill set is going to shine through. He has made a few rookie mistakes but that doesn't mean he should be an afterthought in every game plan. At Utah he was running seam routes, verticals along the sideline, crossing routes. Where is all that stuff in his route tree here? It's not like we have a plethora of superstars stealing his targets. It's Diggs and a bunch of nobodies. He can't run the route that Knox did on his 3rd down dropped pass today? I just don't understand his usage at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: You don't think Kincaid can make a simple downfield play like this? I have no idea why we've relegated him to 5 yards or less check downs. Here's a crazy (awful) stat: Does Dorsey actually know how to use 12 personnel? Or is he just using it because he feels obligated? We paid one TE $13 million a year and used a 1st + 4th rounder on another. Why can't Dorsey get them more involved? It might be extreme but: Like I understand the feeling, because it feels like this offense has the weapons to be way more effective than it is. But it's like it's slamming it's head against the wall over and over again. Like make this make sense to me how aren't you able to find ways to get guys open? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, FireChans said: He’s just so SMOOTH with the ball. @NewEra I’ll give you a chance to cash out now 🙄 Ken Dorsey is the one ruining your fantasy team. You shouldn’t be so bitter and juvenile after 5 games. I’ll take my $50 when the season is over. 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He is though! But when every catch is no more than 5 yards past the LOS, none of his skill set is going to shine through. He has made a few rookie mistakes but that doesn't mean he should be an afterthought in every game plan. At Utah he was running seam routes, verticals along the sideline, crossing routes. Where is all that stuff in his route tree here? It's not like we have a plethora of superstars stealing his targets. It's Diggs and a bunch of nobodies. He can't run the route that Knox did on his 3rd down dropped pass today? I just don't understand his usage at all. He’s just bitter and grasping at anything he can to quench his smack talking fix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: 🙄 Ken Dorsey is the one ruining your fantasy team. You shouldn’t be so bitter and juvenile after 5 games. I’ll take my $50 when the season is over. He’s just bitter and grasping at anything he can to quench his smack talking fix I’m bitter because of you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’m bitter because of you! You should be bitter because you allowed yourself to be weak and take the advice of a fellow Bills fan that you lament! either that or you watched Kincaid highlight and was wow’s by how SMOOTH he was. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, FireChans said: Dawson Knox in 2021 - 39.1 YPG, 9 TDs This year - 14.5 YPG 🤮 on pace for maybe 3 TDs Nyheim Hines in 2021 - 16.2 rushing YPG, 18.2 receiving YPG Hines with us last year - -.3 rushing YPG (yes that is a negative sign 🤮), 5.9 receiving YPG Trent Sherfield in 2022 - 24.5 YPG Sherfield this year - 9.0 YPG 🤮 Zack Moss in 2022 with us - 18.2 rushing YPG 🤮 Moss with Colts in 2022 - 45.6 YPG Moss with Colts this year - 93.3 YPG❗️ What evidence is there that Dorsey is maximizing ANY of our players' skill sets? Allen and Diggs would be superstars with any OC. What is he doing to raise the level of the players around them? Edited October 9, 2023 by HappyDays 2 1 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, HappyDays said: Dawson Knox in 2021 - 39.1 YPG, 6 TDs This year - 14.5 YPG 🤮 on pace for maybe 3 TDs Nyheim Hines in 2021 - 16.2 rushing YPG, 18.2 receiving YPG Hines with us last year - -.3 rushing YPG (yes that is a negative sign 🤮), 5.9 receiving YPG Trent Sherfield in 2022 - 24.5 YPG Sherfield this year - 9.0 YPG 🤮 Zack Moss in 2022 with us - 18.2 rushing YPG 🤮 Moss with Colts in 2022 - 45.6 YPG Moss with Colts this year - 93.3 YPG❗️ What evidence is there that Dorsey is maximizing ANY of our players' skill sets? Allen and Diggs would be superstars with any OC. What is he doing to raise the level of the players around them? You ain’t lying. He’s making some strides but today he took a step backwards. I just don’t understand the lack of Kincaid option routes and overall usage within the offense. Yet we get to watch Knox NOT come down with pass after pass. 🤦🏻♂️ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, NewEra said: You ain’t lying. He’s making some strides but today he took a step backwards. I just don’t understand the lack of Kincaid option routes and overall usage within the offense. Yet we get to watch Knox NOT come down with pass after pass. 🤦🏻♂️ I can't imagine that when Beane used a 1st + a 4th on a player, he envisioned him as nothing more than a 3 yard outlet. It just doesn't feel like Dorsey ever does anything creative to take advantage of his players' skill sets. It's very much a "line up and beat your man" offense, and NFL defenses have gotten way too advanced for that to be the only club in your bag. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Roundybout said: Dorsey won’t use him outside of dippy flat routes and blocking. He’s one of the worst OCs in the league You give Reid or Shanahan our exact offensive players, I guarantee you they'd make this unit more explosive that what Ken dials up. Dorsey's inconsistent games is becoming a real problem. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I can't imagine that when Beane used a 1st + a 4th on a player, he envisioned him as nothing more than a 3 yard outlet. It just doesn't feel like Dorsey ever does anything creative to take advantage of his players' skill sets. It's very much a "line up and beat your man" offense, and NFL defenses have gotten way too advanced for that to be the only club in your bag. The only team that vaguely seems like that'd be a good idea is the Dolphins and that's because they're basically fielding a track team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I can't imagine that when Beane used a 1st + a 4th on a player, he envisioned him as nothing more than a 3 yard outlet. It just doesn't feel like Dorsey ever does anything creative to take advantage of his players' skill sets. It's very much a "line up and beat your man" offense, and NFL defenses have gotten way too advanced for that to be the only club in your bag. Hey now, Harty is fast and Dorsey runs him around behind the line scrimmage. You know, that look that was popular in the NFL 3 years ago when the Chiefs did it with Tyreek. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 28 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I can't imagine that when Beane used a 1st + a 4th on a player, he envisioned him as nothing more than a 3 yard outlet. It just doesn't feel like Dorsey ever does anything creative to take advantage of his players' skill sets. It's very much a "line up and beat your man" offense, and NFL defenses have gotten way too advanced for that to be the only club in your bag. 39 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Dawson Knox in 2021 - 39.1 YPG, 9 TDs This year - 14.5 YPG 🤮 on pace for maybe 3 TDs Nyheim Hines in 2021 - 16.2 rushing YPG, 18.2 receiving YPG Hines with us last year - -.3 rushing YPG (yes that is a negative sign 🤮), 5.9 receiving YPG Trent Sherfield in 2022 - 24.5 YPG Sherfield this year - 9.0 YPG 🤮 Zack Moss in 2022 with us - 18.2 rushing YPG 🤮 Moss with Colts in 2022 - 45.6 YPG Moss with Colts this year - 93.3 YPG❗️ What evidence is there that Dorsey is maximizing ANY of our players' skill sets? Allen and Diggs would be superstars with any OC. What is he doing to raise the level of the players around them? Singletary better here McKenzie better as well I would argue Knox and Davis are pry close to being maximized, they're just not very good Kincaid is a rookie coming on slow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said: Tried to tell you guys it was gonna be a slow start with Kincaid. The hype train though… Lucky Knox is there then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, SUNY_amherst said: sorta. Yeah we are lucky to have an average TE because Kincaid cant carry the load. But Knox ain’t being paid like an average TE I know buddy … unfortunately I was joking…👍 Knox is worrying me too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) We still haven’t figured out the slot position post Cole Beasley. Kincaid looks the part but he needs more opportunities to make plays. Harty was given a 2yr contract and I expected he would have a larger role on offense. I have no idea what they’re doing with Khalil Shakir and Sherfield. Edited October 9, 2023 by BillMafia716ix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, FireChans said: All off-season we heard about the 12 personnel, the mismatch splitting out wide, his hands, how open he could get etc etc. Hell, there were threads giving this dope a nickname. Any reason to think Kincaid isn’t a better version of Tommy Sweeney in this offense so far? Yes, there absolutely is. We're five games in. We still don't have any idea what he is. This is a dumb thread. If it had been a couple of years it would have made some sense. Frickin' Tony Gonzalez put up fewer yards in his first five games than Kincaid has, and equalled Kincaid's zero TDs. Am I saying Kincaid is Gonzalez? No, though some feeb would probably accuse me of doing so if I hadn't put this sentence in. I'm saying the first five weeks mean squat. Edited October 9, 2023 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yes, there absolutely is. We're five games in. We still don't have any idea what he is. This is a dumb thread. If it had been a couple of years it would have made some sense. I wrote so far. So far, the answer is no. Maybe he’ll be better in the future is what you came up with. the defense rests lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: I wrote so far. So far, the answer is no. Maybe he’ll be better in the future is what you came up with. the defense rests lmao Kinda sad that you don't even understand how pathetic this thread is. The questions was dumb, as are all questions whose answer is, "Um, obviously not. Duh." And that is indeed the answer to this stupid question. That question was about as thoughtful and on point as a parent looking at his 18 month old spitting out his first word and asking, "Any reason to think this kid isn't headed for a future as a ditch digger so far?" Pure dumbage. Too early to have any idea, and it's sad that you don't get that. Again, he's out-produced Tony Gonzalez's first five games. And I didn't come up with "Maybe he'll be better in the future." What I came up with was closer to "Asking this early shows far more in a sad way about the guy who asked the question than it does about Kincaid." Oh, and your title was even more pathetic than your post. Edited October 9, 2023 by Thurman#1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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