SoCal Deek Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said: It did mean something. It was about not only a rebuild but also a culture change. The Bills had a losing culture. Losing was expected and acceptable. The organization had to take a step back and clean house. That meant trading talented players like Marcel Darius and Sammy Watkins. That process was completed by the end of the 2018 season. I think that the culture is now strong enough that they could bring some nasty into the mix, but what do I know? You may indeed be right. But, just as in a corporate setting where managers are brought in to clean house, that ‘process’ then only relates to the cleaning. You need a new process for the sustaining, and possibly a new manager/coach if they can’t make the shift from cleaning to sustaining. We’re going to learn a lot this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 1. We didn't run 4 WRs most of the year, we ran 11 personnel most of the year. But he didn't get more opportunity to see the ball because he struggled getting open. 2. Hodgins got some shots in New York because their WR depth was awful. Good luck to him. I meant it in a way that we only had 4 suited up on Sundays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Do you feel that regardless of how they perform in camp or practice, it doesn't matter and they should play regardless? If Benford in camp completely outplays Elam, Elam should start because he was a higher draft pick? The best player should definitely earn the starting spot. However, Elam was inactive week one, and it seemed like a McD’s doghouse move. There’s nothing wrong with starting Benford, but I think a first round CB needs to see the field in some capacity. Give him a role this season, if he fails move on. I’ve always tried to say nothing but good things about McD. He’s a great guy, and along with Allen saved this franchise from complete obscurity. That doesn’t mean I trust him in developing players. As an example, I think Kincaid is an incredible talent, but I don’t trust this team to properly utilize him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 9/12/2023 at 12:37 PM, HIT BY SPIKES said: I always attempt to show some restraint not to over react to just one game negatively or positively however the pattern is pretty obvious now. 13 seconds Bengals Play-offs' earlier this year Last night (name to follow) We find ways to lose. I appreciate to the fans who have lived through the dark ages post-Jimbo have an admiration for this current Bills regime for getting us back into the play-offs on a regular basis, securing a true franchise QB and bringing Buffalo Proud back to the Buffalo Bills fandom. I get that. "Saviours" may be too highly a label to bestow upon this regime given Terry Pegula already took that title for first buying the Buffalo Sabres and then the Buffalo Bills and securing their futures in Buffalo. I also get that. However: (1) Does Sean McDermott have what it takes to win the biggest games? (2) Sean McDermott is said to be a defensive minded coach and has been there for a number of years banging the table for an one sided investment of high draft picks, salary cap and free agency pursuits into the defensive side of the ball yet our defence and special teams continue to collapse in pivotal times of key games. Why? (3) Is Beane's inability to build an average NFL OL to give our franchise QB an extra 1/4 second to scan the field before making a decision to pass, run or throw the ball away or to allow us to run the ball successfully when we have a 10 point lead a fundamental obstacle to this regimes ability to finally deliver us a Buffalo Bills Super Bowl Championship? (4) Do you still TRUST THE PROCESSTM? The Process has taken our team from a 17 year drought to 4 years in the play offs & 3 years AFC east champions so what is there not to trust ? The Steelers have been one of the most stable teams as far as coaching goes in the history of the NFL & if they have a bad streak which the Bills haven't really had a bad streak only some bad games since McD got here they don't fire the coach every time things don't go perfect . TO be a SB team everything has to be in line coaching staff and players i'm not exactly sure what it will take to get the team to the big game but i would much rather have a team that is in contention than bring in a Rex Ryan to blow things up the way he did & have it all go backwards . Yes it could go the other way and they could win it all but for now i'm good with where the team is & the chemistry that McD & Beane have & believe that they will together bring the trophy to Buffalo 1 day . We waded through 17 yrs of not winning i can be patient enough to wait a few more yrs of winning to see where this goes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 The "process" is not the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 I wanted McDermott fired immediately after 13 seconds. He’s the CEO of what happens on the field. Much like Shanny in SF( the O guru). Who for no reason other than seeking style points lost the SB for the ATL. McD is a good NFL coach and deserves credit for turning this team around. But I don’t think he’s capable of a SB. I hope I’m proven wrong! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIT BY SPIKES Posted September 16, 2023 Author Share Posted September 16, 2023 3 hours ago, QLBillsFan said: I wanted McDermott fired immediately after 13 seconds. He’s the CEO of what happens on the field. Much like Shanny in SF( the O guru). Who for no reason other than seeking style points lost the SB for the ATL. McD is a good NFL coach and deserves credit for turning this team around. But I don’t think he’s capable of a SB. I hope I’m proven wrong! Why do you feel that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) On 9/12/2023 at 12:42 PM, MAJBobby said: I think we have a very good FO. I am unsure about the HC I have no issues with the Ownership This is where I’m kind of at. I’m a little past “unsure” on HC though. I thought, prior to last year, that the Bills should have considered keeping Daboll instead of McDermott. It’s like when Tampa promoted Koetter to keep the continuity with a young Jameis. To me, prioritizing stability for Josh came first. You could have traded McDermott for a pick. This year, I wanted to hire Sean Payton. He would have maximized Josh. If this team is ever going to win it all it is because of Josh Allen. Someone here called McDermott Doug Collins after 13 seconds and that is the best comparison possible imo. It was a great call. We need our Phil Jackson to start winning titles. Right now, Josh has less guidance than ever. They should start by bringing Barkley back in a coaching role. Have him on the sidelines and in Josh’s ear. Josh has lost Daboll, Davis Webb and Matt Barkley. Those guys were all helping him prepare and to see the game. It would be nice to give Josh that trusted confidant on the field and in the film room. Edited September 16, 2023 by Kirby Jackson 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIT BY SPIKES Posted September 17, 2023 Author Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 9/16/2023 at 6:24 AM, Kirby Jackson said: This is where I’m kind of at. I’m a little past “unsure” on HC though. I thought, prior to last year, that the Bills should have considered keeping Daboll instead of McDermott. It’s like when Tampa promoted Koetter to keep the continuity with a young Jameis. To me, prioritizing stability for Josh came first. You could have traded McDermott for a pick. This year, I wanted to hire Sean Payton. He would have maximized Josh. If this team is ever going to win it all it is because of Josh Allen. Someone here called McDermott Doug Collins after 13 seconds and that is the best comparison possible imo. It was a great call. We need our Phil Jackson to start winning titles. Right now, Josh has less guidance than ever. They should start by bringing Barkley back in a coaching role. Have him on the sidelines and in Josh’s ear. Josh has lost Daboll, Davis Webb and Matt Barkley. Those guys were all helping him prepare and to see the game. It would be nice to give Josh that trusted confidant on the field and in the film room. So did I. If Pegula offered that Sean $50M for 5 years, we would have had him. What that Sean did with Drew Brees is nothing compared to what he could do with Josh Allen. I suspect to get that Sean it may have meant bye bye to Beane as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 Yes. I do still trust the process. I'm with some others here. It's about focus, paying attention to details, playing smart, getting just a little better each day. Draft, coach and retain. A Plan. My issue is, I don't think some are following it. Josh is trying to do too much. Dorsey is not taking what's being given and lacks ability to adjust. Beane drafting players that don't fit (Elam, better at man than Zone. AJ, He can change his body to fit what we want). Moss, Basham poor choices to name a couple more imo. What happened to: Do your 1/11th, one play at a time, get better each week, one game at a time, take what's given etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: Yes. I do still trust the process. I'm with some others here. It's about focus, paying attention to details, playing smart, getting just a little better each day. Draft, coach and retain. A Plan. My issue is, I don't think some are following it. Josh is trying to do too much. Dorsey is not taking what's being given and lacks ability to adjust. Beane drafting players that don't fit (Elam, better at man than Zone. AJ, He can change his body to fit what we want). Moss, Basham poor choices to name a couple more imo. What happened to: Do your 1/11th, one play at a time, get better each week, one game at a time, take what's given etc. That’s the problem with these type of organizational slogans. They mean something completely different to anyone who hears them. Having read through, and contributed to, this entire thread I’m more confused than ever as to what anyone thinks The Process even is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 27 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: That’s the problem with these type of organizational slogans. They mean something completely different to anyone who hears them. Having read through, and contributed to, this entire thread I’m more confused than ever as to what anyone thinks The Process Just do the work, the results will handle themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 On 9/13/2023 at 1:37 AM, HIT BY SPIKES said: (4) Do you still TRUST THE PROCESSTM? My feeling on this? Yeah, absolutely. Why wouldn't you? They've gone from a consistently mediocre team to extremely competitive every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 17, 2023 Share Posted September 17, 2023 The Process turned the Bills from a team that couldn’t make the playoffs to a legit Super Bowl contender. I am not ready to toss it out just yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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