John from Riverside Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: So you support the Trump administration policy. Good to know. I’m looking but I can’t find anywhere where Biden is supportive of the fentanyl crisis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: I did not know that Seems kind of weird that they would use Elon musk’s technology for anything actually after this, they might want to rethink that After what they accused just him of, he might take it away from them. See how far they get with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Elon provides Starlink for a war torn country so the people trapped within it can communicate. Ukrainian military asks Elon to extend its use for a military operation. Elon says he doesn’t wish to be involved in the war. “Elon Musk, War Puppeteer” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: you must therefore be furious Biden denied the Ukrainian request for f-16s. The lack or air superiority those would have led to has yielded countless civilian deaths… and having the strike capability would have been way better in this battle scenario than some RC toy boats. Nope. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approves-sending-f-16s-ukraine-denmark-netherlands-2023-08-17/ 9 minutes ago, SCBills said: Ukrainian military asks Elon to extend its use for a military operation. Elon says he doesn’t wish to be involved in the war. “Elon Musk, War Puppeteer” Untrue. See the quote I provided from spaceX COO in 2022. But you MAGA's just ignore facts and then lie. I'm glad I started this thread. It illustrates the disingenuity of the cons and the knowledge base they lack and don't even attempt to obtain. Edited September 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Nope. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approves-sending-f-16s-ukraine-denmark-netherlands-2023-08-17/ Untrue. See the quote I provided from spaceX COO in 2022. But you MAGA's just ignore facts and then lie. They asked for them a long ago and Biden said no. If we were going to any way why wait and allow all the women and children to die from Russian air strikes??? let’s hear the double standard… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: They asked for them a long ago and Biden said no. If we were going to any way why wait and allow all the women and children to die from Russian air strikes??? let’s hear the double standard… What double standard? I'd imagine Biden didn't want the war to escalate to this level. Hoped putin would pull back from internal pressure after losing so much blood and treasure (which almost happened with mercenary tanks within miles of Moscow). Didn't happen so he sent the jets. Or he listened to his military advisors and sent them when they felt it was necessary. Maybe the analysis of complex issues is beyond your abilities. Edited September 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Nope. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-approves-sending-f-16s-ukraine-denmark-netherlands-2023-08-17/ Untrue. See the quote I provided from spaceX COO in 2022. But you MAGA's just ignore facts and then lie. I'm glad I started this thread. It illustrates the disingenuity of the cons and the knowledge base they lack and don't even attempt to obtain. LOL! It's obvious you either didn't read or understand the quote you provided. What do you suppose "but our intent was never to have them use it for offensive purposes" mean? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said: Joe you must also be livid at the weak response to the disaster that is coming from fentanyl across the southern border, which is killing hundreds of Americans a day. Us mocking the lying of Dems should make you happy that the truth is coming out. Another complex issue. If we had less poverty n places like Appalachia it would help the thirst for numbness there. Universal health care with better mental health availability and addiction treatment would help as well. Dems generally support all of these. R's do not. 23 minutes ago, Doc said: LOL! It's obvious you either didn't read or understand the quote you provided. What do you suppose "but our intent was never to have them use it for offensive purposes" mean? Exactly, and before that said they were happy to help in their "fight for freedom"..it's purposefully contradictory imo. They knew this story would come out. They were covering their asses before it did, albeit unsuccessfully. As the writer said, did she imagine the fight for freedom to not include offensive military capabilities? This is why the distinction between turning off and not approving the use of starlink in that area is crucial. The fact that the submarine drones were approaching the russian fleet and then drifted aimlessly suggests the former. Also the excerpts from an interview with musk in the book do. Kapeesh? Edited September 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 58 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I’m looking but I can’t find anywhere where Biden is supportive of the fentanyl crisis Don't look for what he says; look for what he does (or doesn't do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Pokebball said: Don't look for what he says; look for what he does (or doesn't do) https://www.hrsa.gov/about/news/press-releases/rcorps-2023-awards#:~:text=Biden Harris Administration Invests More,and Other Opioid Overdose Risks Can't decide if it's willful ignorance or just plain ignorance. I suppose it depends on the topic. Edited September 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: https://www.hrsa.gov/about/news/press-releases/rcorps-2023-awards#:~:text=Biden Harris Administration Invests More,and Other Opioid Overdose Risks Can't decide if it's willful ignorance or just plain ignorance. I suppose it depends on the topic. I'm not saying he's done nothing. This is good to see, but the problem is the border. This investment is on the symptom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 On 9/8/2023 at 4:40 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: or this Musk cut off the access through Starlink, a part of SpaceX that is critical to the Ukraine military’s communication, saying he did so not to be “complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.” On 9/9/2023 at 7:48 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: The reason I despise him is that he has decided to take sides in geopolitical affairs. 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: What double standard? I'd imagine Biden didn't want the war to escalate to this level. There is the double standard… you didn’t disappoint. Right on script 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Exactly, and before that said they were happy to help in their "fight for freedom"..it's purposefully contradictory imo. They knew this story would come out. They were covering their asses before it did, albeit unsuccessfully. As the writer said, did she imagine the fight for freedom to not include offensive military capabilities? This is why the distinction between turning off and not approving the use of starlink in that area is crucial. The fact that the submarine drones were approaching the russian fleet and then drifted aimlessly suggests the former. Also the excerpts from an interview with musk in the book do. Kapeesh? Yeah I realize you'll twist "fight for freedom" to suit your purposes, but she clarified what Starlink's role in the "fight" was and Ukraine knew it. And they didn't turn off anything: they just didn't turn on the Crimea region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pokebball said: I'm not saying he's done nothing. This is good to see, but the problem is the border. This investment is on the symptom. The border is a symptom. The source is poverty and misery. D’s want to address those. R’s not so much 34 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: There is the double standard… you didn’t disappoint. Right on script Nope. The prez of the US is appropriately involved in geopolitics. Musk is not. No double standard Edited September 10, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) On 9/9/2023 at 12:00 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: The first link noted funding from a "US Foreign aid" source and donors. We're presumalby talking millions per month so It's fair to assume there was a contract. I don't believe the foreign aid and the donors just threw monet at him with no conditions. Perhaps, the book coming out next week will shed more light. Presume assume believe perhaps. Jesus, man. On 9/9/2023 at 12:17 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: Well reasoned piece. The full Salon article https://www.salon.com/2023/09/08/musk-starlink-and-hypocrisy-elons-benedict-arnold-moment-shows-us-cant-have-it-both-ways/ In what universe can anyone other than a full blown head in the sand idiot call article comparing Musk to Benedict #$%@ing Arnold "well reasoned"? On 9/9/2023 at 7:48 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: Written by R Emitt Tyrell author of "The D🤣eath of Liberalism". Sure that's happening...While MAGA implodes. I don't despise him for his money. Like the hack wrote, there are quite a few multi billionaires. I'd like them taxed more aggressively but I don't resent them for their success. Along as they didn't break the law getting there. The reason I despise him is that he has decided to take sides in geopolitical affairs. Through twitter and starlink. And he seems to choose authoritarian sides more often than not... Except when he was giving free internet to the people of Ukraine, right? Did he forget to be evil that day? You are just twisting in circles here, Joe. My guess is the real reason you hate Musk pretty simple, like most people that share your views. First you assumed that a guy who makes electric cars and super batteries must certainly share your politics, and when you found he wasnt buying the same nonsense that you do, it felt like he betrayed you. Second, you resent that he took the liberal echo chamber hate-filled @#$!hole that was Twitter and turned it into the bipartisan hate-filled @#$!hhole that is now called X. Just my 2 cents, but what do I know. Edited September 10, 2023 by Tenhigh 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Ukraine is at the mercy of a private citizen , it is what it is. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 39 minutes ago, ALF said: Ukraine is at the mercy of a private citizen , it is what it is. That is a slanted viewpoint, IMO. A private citizen offered his company's services with his own terms. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: That is a slanted viewpoint, IMO. A private citizen offered his company's services with his own terms. Like I said it is what it is , Musk can do what the hell he ever wants in this case. NATO needs to send Ukraine weapons that don't depend on Musk for help. Edited September 10, 2023 by ALF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 Now even the original source of the leak is calling out msm for creating this lie and spinning it into something else. knowing how these systems work, this makes tons more sense. Ukraine wouldn’t have asked if it was already there they would’ve just used it and hope no one realized what was happening. why would he devote network capacity where his service isn’t allowed to be sold or over water where nobody is?? https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-biographer-walter-isaacson-clarify-details-starlink-war-russia-ukraine-outcry/ there is also this… https://www.pcmag.com/news/russia-makes-veiled-threat-to-destroy-spacexs-starlink watching the left lie about this and spread them as rapidly as possible just because Musk points out how crazy todays faux liberals are is incredible. you have to be a first order brainwashed moron to buy all this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 10, 2023 Share Posted September 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: The border is a symptom. The source is poverty and misery. D’s want to address those. R’s not so much Nope. The prez of the US is appropriately involved in geopolitics. Musk is not. No double standard There is only a double standard. It’s shameful, transparent, and is either routed in intellectually dishonesty, or a lack of intellect altogether. (It could also be both) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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