Billzebub Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 I’m trying to look objectively at our team. I’m older so I was around for the early 90’s superbowl teams. We had Andre, Jim, Thurman and Bruce. Lots of contributors…. Lofton, Talley, Biscuit, Etc. This team is deep but lacking in high end talent. Really, we have Josh and Diggs…. Generational talents, after that there is no one on the roster that terrifies anyone. We need (like we had back then) one or two more superstars . You want a Super Bowl? We need a game wrecker, someone like Diggs or Allen that, game plan or not, no one can do a damn thing about it. My belief is that if any one of the following players contribute in a dominant, game altering way, we will win a Superbowl. 1) Rousseau 2)Oliver 3) Cook 4) Kincaid Will one of them step it up? If so who? If not, is there anyone else? Can Allen and Diggs do it alone? 2 1 1 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Von can still be that guy if he’s healthy. 7 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 (edited) KINGcaid! For sure! I just came up with that name by the way 😊 Edited September 6, 2023 by 0017 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzebub Posted September 6, 2023 Author Share Posted September 6, 2023 I agree and considered it…..:forgot to roll it into my question. I think we get that from him part time and not long term which is why he didn’t make the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 (edited) i think you gotta draft them. otherwise they are rentals. hired guns. And even then, you can usually only afford to add one. or none at all. but bottom line: yes. we do not have the number of talented game-changing players that winning teams usually have. Edited September 6, 2023 by maddenboy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 You’re certainly not wrong. Aside from Tom Brady led teams.. Chiefs ‘20 Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Jones Rams ‘22 Donald, Ramsey, Von, Kupp Chiefs ‘23 Mahomes, Kelce, Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: You’re certainly not wrong. Aside from Tom Brady led teams.. Chiefs ‘20 Mahomes, Kelce, Hill, Jones Rams ‘22 Donald, Ramsey, Von, Kupp Chiefs ‘23 Mahomes, Kelce, Jones Even Brady led teams.. Patriots - Edelman, Gronk, Brady 01-04 Patriots - Brady, Law, Harrison Bucs - the team was just loaded and just needed a QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzebub Posted September 6, 2023 Author Share Posted September 6, 2023 I like that there is a general agreement on the topic premise. I like that there are multiple players that have the pedigree or potential. I hate that we don’t know who it is or if they are even on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 We need one guy on the roster to become known as a super star. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzebub Posted September 6, 2023 Author Share Posted September 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Augie said: We need one guy on the roster to become known as a super star. We need one… maybe two more guys on this roster to become super stars, Josh and Stefon are there. Von is supposed to be that guy but two ACL injuries later and I think he becomes a strong contributor. It’s imperative that someone else steps up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 "Super Star " is a subjective term and everyone has a different definition of what a "Super Star is" . It comes down to how a team builds value with the salary cap. Draft well and optimize production from rookie contracts so you don't "over pay" in free agency. Besides Josh and Diggs which current Bills qualify ? Milano? Poyer , Hyde and White? Bass? Von? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Duh why does everyone forget Matt Milano 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Milano was an All-Pro and can be a game wrecker… Von is a hall of famer… Are they not enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 46 minutes ago, Billzebub said: I’m trying to look objectively at our team. I’m older so I was around for the early 90’s superbowl teams. We had Andre, Jim, Thurman and Bruce. Lots of contributors…. Lofton, Talley, Biscuit, Etc. This team is deep but lacking in high end talent. Really, we have Josh and Diggs…. Generational talents, after that there is no one on the roster that terrifies anyone. We need (like we had back then) one or two more superstars . You want a Super Bowl? We need a game wrecker, someone like Diggs or Allen that, game plan or not, no one can do a damn thing about it. My belief is that if any one of the following players contribute in a dominant, game altering way, we will win a Superbowl. 1) Rousseau 2)Oliver 3) Cook 4) Kincaid Will one of them step it up? If so who? If not, is there anyone else? Can Allen and Diggs do it alone? I’m pushing chips to kinciad. His ability to separate on inside routes is new and looks different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Is this another closet DeAndre Hopkins thread? I heard Mike Evans is on the block? I think one of those 2 guys would've made a huge difference. But that's just me. Diggs can't do it on his own, so I'm hopeful Kincaid is the equalizer. Still a big ask for the offense. We shall wait and see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, Drew21PA said: Duh why does everyone forget Matt Milano Because without the 250# guy next to him you’re in for a surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 33 minutes ago, maddenboy said: i think you gotta draft them. otherwise they are rentals. hired guns. And even then, you can usually only afford to add one. or none at all. but bottom line: yes. we do not have the number of talented game-changing players that winning teams usually have. That’s right. It’s been said plenty, but the roster is what it is because Beane’s early picks haven’t reached their ceilings. And in addition to being on second or third contracts, the rentals are also older and more injury prone. Someone called Beane a used car salesman. That’s harsh but I get the analogy. In his defense, he’s been aggressive with the cap, but unfortunately, he’s reaching max capacity with a plateauing team. No more room for hired guns. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzebub Posted September 6, 2023 Author Share Posted September 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said: "Super Star " is a subjective term and everyone has a different definition of what a "Super Star is" . It comes down to how a team builds value with the salary cap. Draft well and optimize production from rookie contracts so you don't "over pay" in free agency. Besides Josh and Diggs which current Bills qualify ? Milano? Poyer , Hyde and White? Bass? Von? I agree in two parts… super star means different things to different people so lets look at it like this: “We need a game wrecker, someone like Diggs or Allen that, game plan or not, no one can do a damn thing about it” Current roster qualifiers are an open question. Of yours listed I think Von is the only one that meets the game wrecker criteria, but I have reservations about his post surgery ability. The others are very strong players but I don’t think they qualify ( Milano, Poyer, Hyde and White). I think we need a dependable Von or an on level contribution from Rousseau, Cook, Kincaid or Oliver but I’m open to others on the roster that can fill that void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, Rigotz said: Milano was an All-Pro and can be a game wrecker… Von is a hall of famer… Are they not enough? Milano is rock steady but not a game changer. I’d offer that game changers on defense are elite pass rushers or shut down corners. Miller is an all-timer but the Bills got him in his twilight. Aging and injured. No, they’re not enough. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Good thing that's what Kincaid is gonna be Also trading for Kupp would give us two more superstars and create a dynasty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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