The now public FD1023 the FBI hid from congress, paired with this video...

[BillsFanNC]

Can you say smoking gun?

 

Cue the useful idiots with their brain dead nothing to see here narrative once again...

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

And like clockwork the MSM talking heads are using old Lev Parnas, saying that there is nothing to this story.

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

The Biden / Poroshenko phone call where Poroshenko tells Biden that despite there being NO EVIDENCE that Shokin did anything wrong at all,  Poroshenko asked him to resign anyway at Biden's request...

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

Oh...

 

 

[BillsFanNC]

 

[Doc]

Yeah but Joke was just trying to root-out corruption because Shokin wasn't charging anyone.  Never mind that no one was charged with corruption, even Shokin, after he was replaced...

 

Again, shows the phone call by Trump wasn't even close to an impeachable offense and in fact was a good ask.

Edited July 21, 2023 by Doc

[ChiGoose]

I am old enough to remember when conservatives were mad about the Steele Dossier because it was just unverified and uninvestigated rumors…

[B-Man]

 

 

Biden $10M bribe file released: Burisma chief said he was ‘coerced’ to pay Joe, Hunter in bombshell allegations

by Steven Nelson

 

A bombshell FBI informant file containing a $10 million bribery allegation against President Biden and his son was released Thursday by Sen. Chuck Grassley, showing that a Ukrainian oligarch claimed he was “coerced” into making the payoff. The owner of Ukrainian gas company Burisma Holdings, Mykola Zlochevsky, told the FBI informant in 2016 during a meeting at a coffee shop in Vienna, Austria, that “it cost 5 [million] to pay one Biden, and 5 [million] to another Biden,” according to the redacted FD-1023 form. “Zlochevsky made some comment that although Hunter Biden ‘was stupid, and his (Zlochevsky’s) dog was smarter,'

 

https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/biden-bribe-file-released-burisma-chief-said-both-joe-and-hunter-involved/

 

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[BillsFanNC]

It's a RusSiAn DiSInFormAtiOn cOnSPiRacY tHEoRy!!!!

[Tommy Callahan]

47 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I am old enough to remember when conservatives were mad about the Steele Dossier because it was just unverified and uninvestigated rumors…

IS this political opposition research? being used to spy on people running for office?

 

wouldn't the fact there is an FD-1023 kind of prove it was being investigated?

 

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

8 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

wouldn't the fact there is an FD-1023 kind of prove it was being investigated?

 

Not necessarily. At its simplest, it's just documenting an unverified tip from someone. If you call the FBI today and tell them that you believe your mailman is the Zodiac Killer, they'll probably have to fill out the form for that, but might not necessarily end up investigating it.

 

Without additional hard evidence or investigative report, this is no different in terms of truth at this stage as the unverified stories in the Steele Dossier. You can either believe both the Steele Dossier claims and this one, or neither. To believe one and not the other at this stage is just being partisan.

 

That changes, of course, if they can actually *prove* some of the claims. Congress has the ability to subpoena financial records and other evidence that could be used to verify the claims. If they believe the claims are accurate, they should do that. Hunter Biden is clearly a scummy guy trading on his dad's name, but you need more than this to show that Joe Biden himself was involved.

[B-Man]

 

 

I'm sure that you can guess it.  (Hint: old Clinton response)

 

 

The White House Settles on a Ludicrous Response to the Bombshell FD-1023 Release

 

 

On Thursday, the infamous FD-1023 form that has bolstered allegations of bribery against Joe Biden finally saw the light of day. Sen. Chuck Grassley released the document, which included direct quotes from Ukrainian oligarchs and was produced by a long-trusted FBI confidential human source.

 

As reported, some of the quotes directly implicate the Bidens in a scheme to stop Viktor Shokin, the then-prosecutor who was investigating Burisma. Joe Biden famously bragged on video about withholding aid from Ukraine to ensure Shokin was fired.

 

The revelations are far more extensive than described above, so be sure to read the full details.

 

So how has the White House decided to respond to this? The comms shop has settled on the claim that these allegations are “long-debunked.”

De-bunked by who, you might be asking? That’s a really good question.

Still, the press is doing its part, first blacking out the story completely and then showing up only to repeat the White House’s denials.

 

 

{snip}

 

The question of whether this would be a major story if it involved Donald Trump is rhetorical at this point. We all know the answer to that.

 

This wouldn’t just be a major story; it’d be the basis for an impeachment and would haunt the political sphere for years.

 

There’s no question the Bidens are being openly protected, both by the government and by the media.

 

Still, this story isn’t going away.

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/07/21/the-white-house-settles-on-a-ludicrous-response-to-the-bombshell-fd-1023-release-n779768

[BillsFanNC]

@ChiGoose comparing pee tape  allegations from a murky Russian source used to create a dossier paid for by the DNC that ended up in FISA applications and leaked to the media, to a FD1023 FBI document from an actual trusted FBI source that wasn't classified at all yet the FBI hid it from congress and the public anyway.

 

 

That's why you are THE KING!

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by BillsFanNC

[BillsFanNC]

Where The King @ChiGoose gets her marching orders...

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Incredible this colluding corrupt doj blew right by all the rampant corruption in broad daylight to investigate trumpys phone call trying to dig up the dirt on the actual corruption… 

 

it’s like when you catch your child doing something they shouldn’t texting or social media and they take the position the real crime was you looking at their stuff… 😂 

[John from Riverside]

13 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

Can you say smoking gun?

 

Cue the useful idiots with their brain dead nothing to see here narrative once again...

 

 

Guys
This is not evidence

4 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

@ChiGoose comparing pee tape  allegations from a murky Russian source used to create a dossier paid for by the DNC that ended up in FISA applications and leaked to the media, to a FD1023 FBI document from an actual trusted FBI source that wasn't classified at all yet the FBI hid it from congress and the public anyway.

 

 

That's why you are THE KING!

 

And of course you can prove all that

[BillsFanNC]

Yes. Why?

 

Why do you think it was hidden King?

 

@ChiGoose

 

 

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

Yes. Why?

 

Why do you think it was hidden King?

 

@ChiGoose

 

 

Because it’s generally ill-advised to release unproven claims. 
 

Why are you spending your Friday night thinking about me? 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

[BillsFanNC]

^^^^^

 

Whatever he said, I'm sure that it's worthy of The King!!

 

[BillStime]

 

[ChiGoose]

51 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

The thing that is so incredibly hard for the clickservative crowd to understand is that Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the top prosecutor specifically because the prosecutor wasn’t prosecuting corruption. 
 

Ironically, Joe Biden pressuring for the firing of Shokin made it *more likely* that Burisma would be investigated but that doesn’t fit the narrative so they just make up BS instead. They will swallow any lie so long as it supports their worldview 

[BillStime]

11 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

The thing that is so incredibly hard for the clickservative crowd to understand is that Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the top prosecutor specifically because the prosecutor wasn’t prosecuting corruption. 
 

Ironically, Joe Biden pressuring for the firing of Shokin made it *more likely* that Burisma would be investigated but that doesn’t fit the narrative so they just make up BS instead. They will swallow any lie so long as it supports their worldview 

They are desperate AF and it shows. 
 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

22 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

The thing that is so incredibly hard for the clickservative crowd to understand is that Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the top prosecutor specifically because the prosecutor wasn’t prosecuting corruption. 
 

Ironically, Joe Biden pressuring for the firing of Shokin made it *more likely* that Burisma would be investigated but that doesn’t fit the narrative so they just make up BS instead. They will swallow any lie so long as it supports their worldview 

Also not included in this is the fact that Joe Biden was in a coalition of countries. The United States was an acting separately whenever it came to pressuring, for the firing of the Burisma prosecutor

 

It wasn’t Joe Biden acting on his own

[ChiGoose]

10 minutes ago, BillStime said:

They are desperate AF and it shows. 
 

 

 

I think “desperate” gives them too much credit. They would have to have even the slightest grasp on reality to be desperate.

 

It’s just so, so, so much more likely that they are either ignorant or just stupid.

[BillStime]

15 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I think “desperate” gives them too much credit. They would have to have even the slightest grasp on reality to be desperate.

 

It’s just so, so, so much more likely that they are either ignorant or just stupid.

Well, no question they are stupid… but also desperate. How many times can you run into a concrete wall?

 

Thats why:

 

 

[Buffarukus]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I think “desperate” gives them too much credit. They would have to have even the slightest grasp on reality to be desperate.

 

It’s just so, so, so much more likely that they are either ignorant or just stupid.

 

Umm you guys are pretty certain a crackhead, i repeat a crackhead, was given powerful jobs based on his merit. Oh yeah honest hard working uncorruptable crackheads who video tape hookers would certainly not take bribery...thats ignorant to suggest lol. Or is it the outlandish idea a  politician is getting rich off his name and position by funnling money into accounts illegally through family? Hey chi i also think paul pelosi is incredably good at choosing stocks and has nothing to do with insider trading. The fbi would be all over that!!!  Wheres the proof!! LoL! 

 

Who really has lost touch with reality here buddy. What is likely in this senario? how long do you think a multi billion dollar organization with thousands of employees needs to "investigate" to come up with a answer one way or the other? The same one who knew nothing about russiagate and kept perfectly quite while the labtop was disinformationed for years. Remember that right wing conspiracy? Hmm its like their silence seems to benefit one side only. but its exactly like the dossier! Oh wait, its the exact opposite. 

 

Coincidence.

 

Such childlike innocence in these beliefs that justice is so pure and equal for all. hard working agencies are hard at work protecting the populous from gov corruption and non corrupt themselves. Its like a kid who still believes a fat guy leaves them presents every year. 

 

What ever you need to tell yourself i guess. Your the only sane one.

 

 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Buffarukus

[BillsFanNC]

4 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

Umm you guys are pretty certain a crackhead, i repeat a crackhead, was given powerful jobs based on his merit. Oh yeah honest hard working uncorruptable crackheads who video tape hookers would certainly not take bribery...thats ignorant to suggest lol. Or is it the outlandish idea a  politician is getting rich off his name and position by funnling money into accounts illegally through family? Hey chi i also think paul pelosi is incredably good at choosing stocks and has nothing to do with insider trading. The fbi would be all over that!!!  Wheres the proof!! LoL! 

 

Who really has lost touch with reality here buddy. What is likely in this senario? how long do you think a multi billion dollar organization with thousands of employees needs to "investigate" to come up with a answer one way or the other? The same one who knew nothing about russiagate and kept perfectly quite while the labtop was disinformationed for years. Remember that right wing conspiracy? Hmm its like their silence seems to benefit one side only. but its exactly like the dossier! Oh wait, its the exact opposite. 

 

Coincidence.

 

Such childlike innocence in these beliefs that justice is so pure and equal for all. hard working agencies are hard at work protecting the populous from gov corruption and non corrupt themselves. Its like a kid who still believes a fat guy leaves them presents every year. 

 

What ever you need to tell yourself i guess. Your the only sane one.

 

 

 

The KING @ChiGoose

[ChiGoose]

6 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

Umm you guys are pretty certain a crackhead, i repeat a crackhead, was given powerful jobs based on his merit. Oh yeah honest hard working uncorruptable crackheads who video tape hookers would certainly not take bribery...thats ignorant to suggest lol. Or is it the outlandish idea a  politician is getting rich off his name and position by funnling money into accounts illegally through family? Hey chi i also think paul pelosi is incredably good at choosing stocks and has nothing to do with insider trading. The fbi would be all over that!!!  Wheres the proof!! LoL! 

 

Who really has lost touch with reality here buddy. What is likely in this senario? how long do you think a multi billion dollar organization with thousands of employees needs to "investigate" to come up with a answer one way or the other? The same one who knew nothing about russiagate and kept perfectly quite while the labtop was disinformationed for years. Remember that right wing conspiracy? Hmm its like their silence seems to benefit one side only. but its exactly like the dossier! Oh wait, its the exact opposite. 

 

Coincidence.

 

Such childlike innocence in these beliefs that justice is so pure and equal for all. hard working agencies are hard at work protecting the populous from gov corruption and non corrupt themselves. Its like a kid who still believes a fat guy leaves them presents every year. 

 

What ever you need to tell yourself i guess. Your the only sane one.

 

 

Wrong, as usual. 
 

Obviously Hunter was trading on his dad’s name. There’s no reason he would get such a cushy job on his own merit. He’s a classic failson. 
 

But there’s a difference between being perceived as wielding your dad’s influence and actually doing it. 
 

I have no doubt that Hunter talked up his dad and what he could get his dad to do. But what we haven’t seen is actual hard evidence that Joe Biden actually did anything. We have the testimony of one guy saying he bribed two Biden’s. Is he telling the truth? Is Joe one of the Biden’s or is it Hunter and his uncle? Do you have any independently verified evidence that payment was made specifically to Joe Biden?

[Doc]

9 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

The thing that is so incredibly hard for the clickservative crowd to understand is that Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the top prosecutor specifically because the prosecutor wasn’t prosecuting corruption. 
 

Ironically, Joe Biden pressuring for the firing of Shokin made it *more likely* that Burisma would be investigated but that doesn’t fit the narrative so they just make up BS instead. They will swallow any lie so long as it supports their worldview 

 

You know what's even harder?  For naive and/or partisan hacks to point to corruption being prosecuted after Shokin was fired.  Considering, you know, he was impeding it.   He wasn't even charged with corruption despite being removed for exactly that reason.  Yet you guys lap it up because it's your guy. 

[JDHillFan]

4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Wrong, as usual. 
 

Obviously Hunter was trading on his dad’s name. There’s no reason he would get such a cushy job on his own merit. He’s a classic failson. 
 

But there’s a difference between being perceived as wielding your dad’s influence and actually doing it. 
 

I have no doubt that Hunter talked up his dad and what he could get his dad to do. But what we haven’t seen is actual hard evidence that Joe Biden actually did anything. We have the testimony of one guy saying he bribed two Biden’s. Is he telling the truth? Is Joe one of the Biden’s or is it Hunter and his uncle? Do you have any independently verified evidence that payment was made specifically to Joe Biden?

Hunter Biden, a delinquent, was able to squeeze $17,000,000 from foreign entities with them getting absolutely nothing in return other than Hunter talking up what his father might be able to do. Your position is that Hunter Biden outsmarted all these foreign entities to the tune of 17M?
 

Many times you have painted yourself here as the arbiter of common sense and logic. This makes sense to you? This is logical? 

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Hunter Biden, a delinquent, was able to squeeze $17,000,000 from foreign entities with them getting absolutely nothing in return other than Hunter talking up what his father might be able to do. Your position is that Hunter Biden outsmarted all these foreign entities to the tune of 17M?
 

Many times you have painted yourself here as the arbiter of common sense and logic. This makes sense to you? This is logical? 

 

Well, he's the smartest man Joke knows, so...

[BillStime]

👆🤡 And these idiots don’t think Trump’s DOJ/FBI investigated this during their four years?

 

Seriously - f’n idiots 

 

[ChiGoose]

21 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Hunter Biden, a delinquent, was able to squeeze $17,000,000 from foreign entities with them getting absolutely nothing in return other than Hunter talking up what his father might be able to do. Your position is that Hunter Biden outsmarted all these foreign entities to the tune of 17M?
 

Many times you have painted yourself here as the arbiter of common sense and logic. This makes sense to you? This is logical? 

My position is that I need more than a statement from one random guy saying he bribed “two Biden’s” to believe that Joe Biden took a bribe. 
 

You know, something actually showing that Joe Biden actually took a bribe. That whole thing called “evidence”. Maybe subpoena his financial records and see if there’s something there. 
 

Until then, this is a random person saying something with no evidence to back it. Just like the Steele Dossier you all rightfully called out. 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

My position is that I need more than a statement from one random guy saying he bribed “two Biden’s” to believe that Joe Biden took a bribe. 
 

You know, something actually showing that Joe Biden actually took a bribe. That whole thing called “evidence”. Maybe subpoena his financial records and see if there’s something there. 
 

Until then, this is a random person saying something with no evidence to back it. Just like the Steele Dossier you all rightfully called out. 

They don’t need evidence - they don’t need to collaborate the gossip - the cult already told us the better psyop wins! 
 

 

[JDHillFan]

Just now, ChiGoose said:

My position is that I need more than a statement from one random guy saying he bribed “two Biden’s” to believe that Joe Biden took a bribe. 
 

You know, something actually showing that Joe Biden actually took a bribe. That whole thing called “evidence”. Maybe subpoena his financial records and see if there’s something there. 
 

Until then, this is a random person saying something with no evidence to back it. Just like the Steele Dossier you all rightfully called out. 

Let’s move off the bribe, for which there is not currently hard evidence to prove, and consider influence peddling. Does common sense and logic tell you it occurred in exchange for 17,000,000? Or was it just Hunter’s people skills that reeled that in? Did he dupe the world? I’m trying to figure exactly where we should GTFO with facts and logic as you apply them. 

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

Let’s move off the bribe, for which there is not currently hard evidence to prove, and consider influence peddling. Does common sense and logic tell you it occurred in exchange for 17,000,000? Or was it just Hunter’s people skills that reeled that in? Did he dupe the world? I’m trying to figure exactly where we should GTFO with facts and logic as you apply them. 

I’m sure people thought he had influence over his dad.
 

If you’re sitting on a giant pile of money and have the opportunity to pull the son of the VP into your fold, it makes a lot of sense to throw some money at him to see what you could get. 

40 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You know what's even harder?  For naive and/or partisan hacks to point to corruption being prosecuted after Shokin was fired.  Considering, you know, he was impeding it.   He wasn't even charged with corruption despite being removed for exactly that reason.  Yet you guys lap it up because it's your guy. 

I love this argument so much. It’s just so dumb. It requires you to believe that people can see into the future. 
 

This is like sitting there in 2016 and saying “are we sure we fired Doug Marrone because he sucked? We fired him and we still suck. Maybe there’s another reason…”

 

The entire Western world wanted Shokin fired because he was corrupt. Firing him, however, doesn’t immediately end corruption. While Ukraine has made progress on combating corruption, it’s long history of corruption is one of its biggest impediments to fully joining the west. 
 

And for some reason, this is incredibly difficult for some people to grasp. 

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

Wrong, as usual. 
 

Obviously Hunter was trading on his dad’s name. There’s no reason he would get such a cushy job on his own merit. He’s a classic failson. 
 

But there’s a difference between being perceived as wielding your dad’s influence and actually doing it. 
 

I have no doubt that Hunter talked up his dad and what he could get his dad to do. But what we haven’t seen is actual hard evidence that Joe Biden actually did anything. We have the testimony of one guy saying he bribed two Biden’s. Is he telling the truth? Is Joe one of the Biden’s or is it Hunter and his uncle? Do you have any independently verified evidence that payment was made specifically to Joe Biden?

Are we arguing about a narrative? Isn't the real question here is whether Joe personally benefitted from these events?

 

I was speaking to a neighbor the other day, and his argument is that Joe didn't benefit personally and that perhaps many family members did benefit, but Joe didn't, personally.  My response was really? All of Joe's kids benefitted, his grandkids benefitted, and that's OK because Joe himself didn't? Yeah, no benefit to Joe.

 

If Joe peddled influence that benefitted him and/or his family, it's a problem.

[ChiGoose]

6 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

If Joe peddled influence that benefitted him and/or his family, it's a problem.

Absolutely. But I’m not going to believe that on the testimony of one guy saying he bribed two Biden’s. Show me where Joe himself was actually involved. Hard evidence. 

[BillsFanNC]

We also have Hunters former business partner who unequivocally and publicly stated that he would be willing to testify, under oath, that the 10% for the big guy was indeed referring to Joe Biden.

 

But for some odd reason the FBI never called to ask him to put that on the record. 

 

This makes perfect logical sense for the King to ignore and keep hand waving it all away.

 

Truly delusional. 

 

The King. @ChiGoose

 

26 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Are we arguing about a narrative? Isn't the real question here is whether Joe personally benefitted from these events?

 

I was speaking to a neighbor the other day, and his argument is that Joe didn't benefit personally and that perhaps many family members did benefit, but Joe didn't, personally.  My response was really? All of Joe's kids benefitted, his grandkids benefitted, and that's OK because Joe himself didn't? Yeah, no benefit to Joe.

 

If Joe peddled influence that benefitted him and/or his family, it's a problem.

 

Tony Bobulinski. 

[JDHillFan]

56 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I’m sure people thought he had influence over his dad.
 

If you’re sitting on a giant pile of money and have the opportunity to pull the son of the VP into your fold, it makes a lot of sense to throw some money at him to see what you could get. 

You are going with Hunter Biden, crackhead loser, tricked multiple foreign entities out of $17M and they were most likely stunned to learn they were left holding the bag. That’s something!
 

Please reconsider the next time you intend to play the logic and common sense cards. They don’t work when your main impulse is to reflexively defend a 50 year creature of Washington.