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On 7/10/2023 at 12:19 PM, JDHillFan said:

So we should ban these procedures because some have buyers remorse?

Have you read up on why these folks decide to detransition?


Billstime - 11/6/22 in the why do gays love the dems thread. 

 

Here 's a thought . Why don't we just wait until they are ADULTS then they can make up there own mind as a adult ! Because parents are going to side (sometimes blindly) to what ever they think is going to make a CHILD feel better or stop whining & crying about what ever it might be .

 

For Christs sake you can't buy a gun, drink, drive a car, join the military, legally have consensual sex until a certain age for any of these so WTH makes anyone think a teenager or younger can make this kind of life altering decision & feel good about them doing it ? They are the ones that need to be locked up because they aren't right in the head !! 

 

I wonder what this persons parents think now ?

 

Buyers remorse 🤔 --- REALLY ??? Do you think this is a freakin car for god sake ?? 

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1 hour ago, T master said:

 

Here 's a thought . Why don't we just wait until they are ADULTS then they can make up there own mind as a adult ! Because parents are going to side (sometimes blindly) to what ever they think is going to make a CHILD feel better or stop whining & crying about what ever it might be .

 

For Christs sake you can't buy a gun, drink, drive a car, join the military, legally have consensual sex until a certain age for any of these so WTH makes anyone think a teenager or younger can make this kind of life altering decision & feel good about them doing it ? They are the ones that need to be locked up because they aren't right in the head !! 

 

I wonder what this persons parents think now ?

 

Buyers remorse 🤔 --- REALLY ??? Do you think this is a freakin car for god sake ?? 

 

You don't care about these people. As a matter of fact - you freaks go out of your way to smear them and find the small percentage of those who are unhappy with their choices.

 

I mean - LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THIS TRHEAD.

 

 

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You don't care about these people. As a matter of fact - you freaks go out of your way to smear them and find the small percentage of those who are unhappy with their choices.

 

I mean - LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THIS TRHEAD.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So then you are saying it's okay for a child to make such a life altering decision Right ? Just a simple yes or no is fine not one of your BS ask another question crap .

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19 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

You don't care about these people. As a matter of fact - you freaks go out of your way to smear them and find the small percentage of those who are unhappy with their choices.

 

I mean - LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THIS TRHEAD.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why no response to my question, it's very simple i'll give you a hint to help you out multiple choice .

 

YES or NO ... easy peasy .

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4 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Why no response to my question, it's very simple i'll give you a hint to help you out multiple choice .

 

YES or NO ... easy peasy .


I don’t have an issue with major life alterations taking place after the age 18… but then again; I defer to the medical experts, parents and patient to make decisions that are best - who am I to dictate what can or cannot be done?

 

We (you and me) are no experts in this area… and this issue is simply being used to divide and enrage the low iq cult.

 

 

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1 minute ago, BillStime said:


I don’t have an issue with major life alterations taking place after the age 18… but then again; I defer to the medical experts, parents and patient to make decisions that are best - who am I to dictate what can or cannot be done?

 

We (you and me) are no experts in this area… and this issue is simply being used to divide and enrage the low iq cult.

 

 

 

Sorry but the lines of consent as far as age has been set for 100's of years, all of the things i put down in my earlier post such as .

 

If you ask the parent if they would allow their child to drive a car on a heavily traveled road, or drink alcohol at say 2 yrs old,  or would they allow their child to purchase a gun at the same age, or if they would allow their under age son or daughter to have consensual sex with a adult although perverts would hopefully sane parents wouldn't but i'm not positive of that because there are some out there that wouldn't care because they are just that stupid .

 

But my gut tells me that if you asked them those questions to most responsibly moral parents there would be a HELL NO as their answer . 

 

Also with that you have interviews with supposedly very highly educated people that refuse to use fact's, common sense or reality professors, even one that was appointed to the SCOTUS that couldn't tell us the definition of a women 🤔 and those are the people we should be very concerned about !!

 

Your first sentence says it all & that is the way it should be no parent, Dr., Judge, or politician, needs to make or persuade a decision on a under aged person or a child before they can make the adult decision on their own just like all of the other age related situations in life .

 

 

 

 

23 minutes ago, BillStime said:


I don’t have an issue with major life alterations taking place after the age 18… but then again; I defer to the medical experts, parents and patient to make decisions that are best - who am I to dictate what can or cannot be done?

 

We (you and me) are no experts in this area… and this issue is simply being used to divide and enrage the low iq cult.

 

 

 

I have a question - Do you have kids ? 

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1 minute ago, T master said:

 

Sorry but the lines of consent as far as age has been set for 100's of years, all of the things i put down in my earlier post such as .

 

If you ask the parent if they would allow their child to drive a car on a heavily traveled road, or drink alcohol at say 2 yrs old,  or would they allow their child to purchase a gun at the same age, or if they would allow their under age son or daughter to have consensual sex with a adult although perverts would hopefully sane parents wouldn't but i'm not positive of that because there are some out there that wouldn't care because they are just that stupid .

 

But my gut tells me that if you asked them those questions to most responsibly moral parents there would be a HELL NO as their answer . 

 

Also with that you have interviews with supposedly very highly educated people that refuse to use fact's, common sense or reality professors, even one that was appointed to the SCOTUS that couldn't tell us the definition of a women 🤔 and those are the people we should be very concerned about !!

 

Your first sentence says it all & that is the way it should be no parent, Dr., Judge, or politician, needs to make or persuade a decision on a under aged person or a child before they can make the adult decision on their own just like all of the other age related situations in life .

 

 

 

 


But kids aren’t transitioning at 2 years old you idiot - lol 

 

 

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1 hour ago, BillStime said:


But kids aren’t transitioning at 2 years old you idiot - lol 

 

 

 

Okay so we are going to resort to name calling , Okay FF - what is the LEGAL age to make adult decisions ?

 

You can't drive with out a adult until your 16 - you can't drink until 21 - you can't buy a fire arm is 18 for ammo & long guns to 21 yrs of age for all other guns  - you can't join the military until your 18 - the legal age for having consensual sex differs from state to state & starts at 16 to ages 18 in most states - you can't buy tobacco products until 21 - There are even age limits to run for certain political offices .

 

So idiot make your point why a 12 to 14 year old should be able to make a totally life altering decision or a parent can just go against every law on the books to coddle a minors decision before the age of being a consensual adult ! 

 

If this is the slope we are gong down then why can't the child porn industry just be let go to d what they want ?

 

Oh and by the way you never answered my last question about you having kids ... Probably because you don't & have no earthly idea what it would be like for your child to come to you and say Dad i want to cut my penis off & become a girl I'm sure you would Okay bud no problem lets make it happen .

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18 minutes ago, T master said:

So idiot make your point why a 12 to 14 year old should be able to make a totally life altering decision or a parent can just go against every law on the books to coddle a minors decision before the age of being a consensual adult ! 


I would say whatever the legal age of consent is in their state.

 

And if a 12 year old can’t take puberty blockers alone (which the effects are reversed if stopped) - they shouldn’t be forced to deliver their rapists baby either.

 

It is truly remarkable how the small government people now want to invite the government into their doctor visits.

 

But then again - MAGA is all about hypocrisy and control. 
 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, BillStime said:


I would say whatever the legal age of consent is in their state.

 

And if a 12 year old can’t take puberty blockers alone (which the effects are reversed if stopped) - they shouldn’t be forced to deliver their rapists baby either.

 

It is truly remarkable how the small government people now want to invite the government into their doctor visits.

 

But then again - MAGA is all about hypocrisy and control. 
 

 

 

 

 

Well then that counts me out as far as being this MAGA supporter because Dr's, politicians, & most gov't over all need to stay the F out of my business . 

 

I'm a 62 years old male that owns everything from my house to my push mower And have a little bit of money in the bank,  i'll bet the Federal gov't & 95% of all politicians can't say that .

 

And the fact is if it wasn't for the politicians the country would probably be in a lot better position all the way around and the country could take care of it self & it's own !! 

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27 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Well then that counts me out as far as being this MAGA supporter because Dr's, politicians, & most gov't over all need to stay the F out of my business . 

 

I'm a 62 years old male that owns everything from my house to my push mower And have a little bit of money in the bank,  i'll bet the Federal gov't & 95% of all politicians can't say that .

 

And the fact is if it wasn't for the politicians the country would probably be in a lot better position all the way around and the country could take care of it self & it's own !! 

 

I agree with you T.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

She died "doing what she loves." At age 7.

We as a society say it's fine to do certain life threatening/life changing things at an early age but not others.

 

No "we" did not say that an 8 year old was fine to fly a plane, much less across America.  That's just insane.

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1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

No "we" did not say that an 8 year old was fine to fly a plane, much less across America.  That's just insane.

It is insane.

I'm just pointing out that we, as a society, are all over the place on what age a kid has to be before being allowed to make decisions, including really bad ones.

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10 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

It is insane.

I'm just pointing out that we, as a society, are all over the place on what age a kid has to be before being allowed to make decisions, including really bad ones.

 

Again I don't know how many made up "we" at the time.  I remember that and thought it was stupid and a tragedy waiting to happen and I was right.  You can't drive a car at least until you're 16 and that's just 2 dimensions.

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1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Again I don't know how many made up "we" at the time.  I remember that and thought it was stupid and a tragedy waiting to happen and I was right.  You can't drive a car at least until you're 16 and that's just 2 dimensions.

Is your reading comprehension really that poor?

The phrase was, "we, as a society ..." What that kid did was evidently not illegal because there was a licensed pilot in the plane.

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9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Is your reading comprehension really that poor?

The phrase was, "we, as a society ..." What that kid did was evidently not illegal because there was a licensed pilot in the plane.

 

This isn't wasn't what I remembered as I thought she flew solo so I watched the video.  You're right that she was with a pilot and there were dual controls so he could take over.  The issue there was bad weather and foolishly flying in it.  That's happened to JFK Jr. and many experienced pilots.

 

But this led to more restrictive limits on what children can do.  So if you're trying to tie this into gender-altering surgery, it's the opposite of what you may be arguing for.

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56 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

This isn't wasn't what I remembered as I thought she flew solo so I watched the video.  You're right that she was with a pilot and there were dual controls so he could take over.  The issue there was bad weather and foolishly flying in it.  That's happened to JFK Jr. and many experienced pilots.

 

But this led to more restrictive limits on what children can do.  So if you're trying to tie this into gender-altering surgery, it's the opposite of what you may be arguing for.

Well, then, try these on for size. Many states set the minimum age of marriage at 16. Until very recently some were 13. 
And some states will require pregnant 12 year old girls to carry a fetus till conception and to give birth to a baby. That’s certainly a life altering event. 
Look, I’m making a simple statement here. Why 18 for sex change/gender reassignment surgery? For puberty blocking drugs? Why not 16? Or 14 with parental permission? Or, for that matter, 21?

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3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, then, try these on for size. Many states set the minimum age of marriage at 16. Until very recently some were 13. 
And some states will require pregnant 12 year old girls to carry a fetus till conception and to give birth to a baby. That’s certainly a life altering event. 
Look, I’m making a simple statement here. Why 18 for sex change/gender reassignment surgery? For puberty blocking drugs? Why not 16? Or 14 with parental permission? Or, for that matter, 21?


Good luck - the small government people cannot square this and will defer to talking points provided by their thought leaders Chris Rufo and Matt Walsh.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, then, try these on for size. Many states set the minimum age of marriage at 16. Until very recently some were 13. 
And some states will require pregnant 12 year old girls to carry a fetus till conception and to give birth to a baby. That’s certainly a life altering event. 
Look, I’m making a simple statement here. Why 18 for sex change/gender reassignment surgery? For puberty blocking drugs? Why not 16? Or 14 with parental permission? Or, for that matter, 21?

 

We can have a conversation about the age at which surgery is appropriate.  But the difference between most other restrictions and sex change is that sex change is irreversible.

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2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

She died "doing what she loves." At age 7.

We as a society say it's fine to do certain life threatening/life changing things at an early age but not others.


we don’t know what causes someone to be trans but you seem to be damn sure the only cure is to get life altering surgeries. Shouldn’t we at least know the cause before we do the surgery? Shouldn’t surgery be done at a point where they are 100 percent sure that’s how they want to live? 

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