Education in America

[Tiberius]

Were Adam and Eve white people? 

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Were Adam and Eve white people? 

What’s up with all of this Tibs? You seem desperate to pick a fight along religious lines. If you don’t believe in any of this….good for you…I guess. 

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What’s up with all of this Tibs? You seem desperate to pick a fight along religious lines. If you don’t believe in any of this….good for you…I guess. 

Just saw what some of these home schoolers were being taught. Just sad they teach religion instead of real science 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

Just saw what some of these home schoolers were being taught. Just sad they teach religion instead of real science 

And the race of Adam and Eve figures into this how exactly? 

[Tommy Callahan]

20 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Were Adam and Eve white people? 

Since you are really hung up on race and religion.   here is what Adam is talked about in Islam.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_in_Islam

 

Mana's in Hinduism?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swayambhuva_Manu

 

 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

And the race of Adam and Eve figures into this how exactly? 

Because it does not seem to square with me that over 6 thousand years all the races could evolve from two people of the same race

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Because it does not seem to square with me that over 6 thousand years all the races could evolve from two people of the same race

It’s just a story about the nature of mankind Tibs. Sheeesh

 

[Tommy Callahan]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Because it does not seem to square with me that over 6 thousand years all the races could evolve from two people of the same race

But yet almost every group on earth has a similar story. 

 

Some people say the same about the 6th mass extinction event that started around 10K years ago.  Due to humans

 

https://bio.libretexts.org/Bookshelves/Introductory_and_General_Biology/Book:_Introductory_Biology_(CK-12)/06:_Ecology/6.26:_Human_Actions_and_the_Sixth_Mass_Extinction#:~:text=Unlike previous mass extinctions%2C the sixth extinction is,blamed for over-killing big mammals such as mammoths.

 

 

[Tiberius]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s just a story about the nature of mankind Tibs. Sheeesh

 

So not real? 

[Tommy Callahan]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So not real? 

you should hear Mr Jefferies stories about Yakub and the origins of people. its epic.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

Edited June 1, 2023 by Chris farley

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

So not real? 

That’s impossible to say. I wasn’t there and neither were you. But the moral of the story, whether real or a fable, still holds true today….and THAT is the point of it. 

[Tiberius]

37 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s impossible to say. I wasn’t there and neither were you. But the moral of the story, whether real or a fable, still holds true today….and THAT is the point of it. 

What is the moral of the story of Noah and his ark? 

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Were Adam and Eve white people? 

Humans

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

Humans

Fictionalized humans 

[SoCal Deek]

55 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What is the moral of the story of Noah and his ark? 

Not trying to be disrespectful but…Have you ever actually read the Old Testament? The entire document tells the same moral story from beginning to end. It is one overarching theme. 

[The Frankish Reich]

12 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

I am a teacher and I am aware of the fact that many people either believe in straight bible or straight evolution, I though have not met anyone who believes Dinosaurs were alive during humanity, at least to my knowledge. I assume your point is that there are a lot of people who disagree on some basic principles and I was not mocking them but the dinosaurs on the ark thing is one no one I have have ever discussed the topic with has ever brought up.

That's because the biblical purists/evolution deniers have a different explanation: that dinosaurs never existed. That a crafty, prank-prone God put "dinosaur" skeletons on the earth for some reason only a God can understand. 

12 hours ago, Governor said:

 

Exactly. That's what they think, or pretend to think.

[Tiberius]

21 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not trying to be disrespectful but…Have you ever actually read the Old Testament? The entire document tells the same moral story from beginning to end. It is one overarching theme. 

Again, what moral story? 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Again, what moral story? 

I’m not trying to be disrespectful. I have idea what faith traditions you come from. It’s a bit difficult to give a sound bite synopsis of entire religion on a message board. 
 

However, in short, the entire story of the Old Testament is about mankind’s struggles when they veer away from the teachings of God. They keep coming back but then keep veering back away, time after time after time. 
 

That’s it in nutshell. I hope that helps. 

[Orlando Tim]

35 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not trying to be disrespectful. I have idea what faith traditions you come from. It’s a bit difficult to give a sound bite synopsis of entire religion on a message board. 
 

However, in short, the entire story of the Old Testament is about mankind’s struggles when they veer away from the teachings of God. They keep coming back but then keep veering back away, time after time after time. 
 

That’s it in nutshell. I hope that helps. 

That is a very good one paragraph version. I am impressed because when I first read the question I had no quick version at all 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

good summary. 

 

I was never a huge fan of the OT myself outside of the Book of Job which is really powerful. But I will say in the past year I've taken more adult bible study classes and I've came to have a much greater appreciation of the OT 

Thanks

When you take the time to read it from the beginning (which VERY FEW people ever actually do), you'll see it's actually a really simple narrative, with an extremely consistent theme. All of it is leading up to the New Testament (Covenant). I've personally never been a fan of dissecting each and every verse, nor do I think it was intended to be read that way. You have to remember that the audience it was written to/for was primarily illiterate.

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

cool. You are obviously a religious guy, as am I, so let me ask you a question 

 

what did you think of trump standing on that stage saying he has never asked for God’s forgiveness in his life and doesn’t think he needs to?

I am indeed a man of incredible faith. I honestly don’t recall the Trump comment but in any event I’m not electing a national pastor. If I was, there would be few if any people in Washington DC. 😉

[SoCal Deek]

26 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

how can you not recall that? That was a watershed moment.

When I say 'honestly' it indeed means honestly. But as I said, I don't generally vote on the personal faith stylings of the people running for office. (I rarely know their faith, nor do I think it's anyone's business.) I elect them to represent ME, not THEMSELVES. 

[SoCal Deek]

32 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

I could understand that but I don’t think I can stomach voting for someone who bastardizes our religion either.
 

trump made those comments at Liberty University while courting evangelical Christian voters 

 

 

And the current President is a proponent of unlimited abortion. The Trump example is about him. The Biden example is about society as a whole. Once again, I’m not the slightest bit interested in what some politician thinks about his/her own need for forgiveness. (I’ll take your word for it on Trumps comment but with a HUGE grain of salt, considering how often he’s been misquoted or misinterpreted.)

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, SUNY_amherst said:

Unlimited abortions? Stop with the bullshite I thought we were having a respectful conversation guess not

 

and whatever you got to tell yourself with the “grain of salt”.. I actually withheld the worst part of trumps answer. He said he doesn’t ask for forgiveness because he doesn’t think he ever has done anything wrong, so no need to answer to God, right?

Not trying to take this conversation sideways. Of the two of us, I’m not the one who started putting a litmus test on politicians. I’m assuming you also believe that Trump called the nazis ‘fine people’ and recommended that we all ‘drink bleach’? Neither of which is true. 
 

(Thanks for the faith discussion while it latest though.)

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

“I’m not trying to take this conversation sideways”

 

and then introduces a sideways comment into MY mouth

 

ok bud

And ….we’ve officially jumped the shark. Have a great evening Bud. 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, SUNY_amherst said:

I think it’s pretty easy to get back, you can Google trump’s comments on religion and forgiveness to see what I’m talking about since you missed it

I’ll try. Once again, I’m really not trying to be a jerk. We were having a nice faith based conversation and then….boom…up popped Trump. As usual on here. 🙄

[SoCal Deek]

15 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

I think it’s pretty easy to get back, you can Google trump’s comments on religion and forgiveness to see what I’m talking about since you missed it.
 

It’s like the counter argument to your eloquent Old Testament summary

I looked it up . In 2015 Trump said that he doesn’t focus on asking God for forgiveness. He said that he instead focuses on doing better the next time. I have literally no idea why you believe that’s a watershed moment.He understands and acknowledges that he’s a sinner but instead of dwelling on his past sins (which I assume God is obviously aware of) he puts his focus on personal improvement (which I assume God would find admirable).

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

Back to actual education information, tomorrow I start summer school, kids start Monday and I had far more kids than prior years fail my class.  Every single student who failed had at least 25 absences with many having 40+, or more than once a week. I will state I did not get any emails asking why the kid failed but the amount of parents that seem to have stopped parenting after COVID is mind blowing.

[SoCal Deek]

10 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

Back to actual education information, tomorrow I start summer school, kids start Monday and I had far more kids than prior years fail my class.  Every single student who failed had at least 25 absences with many having 40+, or more than once a week. I will state I did not get any emails asking why the kid failed but the amount of parents that seem to have stopped parenting after COVID is mind blowing.

Morning Tim 

Good luck with Summer School.  I only have one question: What does this have to do with Donald Trump? (Kidding!) 😉

[Tiberius]

11 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

Back to actual education information, tomorrow I start summer school, kids start Monday and I had far more kids than prior years fail my class.  Every single student who failed had at least 25 absences with many having 40+, or more than once a week. I will state I did not get any emails asking why the kid failed but the amount of parents that seem to have stopped parenting after COVID is mind blowing.

Social media must be playing a role. Those kids--and many adults--are just locked into their phones and oblivious to the real world. They don't socialize much and school has become a place where they are afraid to interact with other real humans 

[LeviF]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Social media must be playing a role. Those kids--and many adults--are just locked into their phones and oblivious to the real world. They don't socialize much and school has become a place where they are afraid to interact with other real humans 

 

This isn't an overstatement. Whole families out to eat with mom, dad, and each kid buried in the phone. Hard to imagine that it's not like that at home too. Might as well live alone.

[LeviF]

11 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I looked it up . In 2015 Trump said that he doesn’t focus on asking God for forgiveness. He said that he instead focuses on doing better the next time. I have literally no idea why you believe that’s a watershed moment.He understands and acknowledges that he’s a sinner but instead of dwelling on his past sins (which I assume God is obviously aware of) he puts his focus on personal improvement (which I assume God would find admirable).

 

 

 

11 hours ago, SUNY_amherst said:

He said he didn’t think he needs to ask for forgiveness for anything 

 

imagine Jesus on the cross “hey ya’ll you answer to yourself and not God so do whatever you want and only repent if you think you did something wrong”

 

flies in the face of every message in our religious text, and trump said this at Liberty University of all places, accepting applause from Christians after he told them he’s very religious.

 

trump is a POS, but whatever I didn’t expect you to get it

 

There is a twitter account called "Donnie Darkened" that has compiled what they believe is evidence that DJT is the prophesied "beast" featured at the end of the book. Of course whether you buy into that or even any one person being the beast (or even whether it happens in the future) depends on your view of the biblical eschaton.

[Tiberius]

10 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

This isn't an overstatement. Whole families out to eat with mom, dad, and each kid buried in the phone. Hard to imagine that it's not like that at home too. Might as well live alone.

And the text each other instead of having to talk 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I don't think trump is the prophesized beast. 

 

If it turned out the beast is a fat, sensitive, reality TV star, it would be disappointing. I'm expecting a beast to be a little more bad ass

Now THIS made me laugh! Well done SUNY! 😂

[LeviF]

3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I don't think trump is the prophesized beast. 

 

If it turned out the beast is a fat, sensitive, reality TV star, it would be disappointing. I'm expecting a beast to be a little more bad ass

 

It's entertainment more than anything else. Whoever is running the account is absolutely committed to the bit.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

20 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m not trying to be disrespectful. I have idea what faith traditions you come from. It’s a bit difficult to give a sound bite synopsis of entire religion on a message board. 
 

However, in short, the entire story of the Old Testament is about mankind’s struggles when they veer away from the teachings of God. They keep coming back but then keep veering back away, time after time after time. 
 

That’s it in nutshell. I hope that helps. 

you left out  vengeance.  A vengeful God is present throughout the old testament.  While in the new, Jesus is forgiving, many in current society would say to a fault.  But that was his point imo.  I also think the old testament is largely allegorical.  There are people arguing over whether dinosaurs could have fit in the ark for goodness sake.  but yes, i think the allegories point to what you say - humans are fallable, turn away and need to get back to God.

 

Regarding education, i think the value of education should be taught formally at an early age.  Teach the relationship between education and earnings.  Simultaneously teach simple economics.  Describe lifestyles for different income levels.  Sound rough but it's reality in America and most of the world.  It should motivate the marginal students but not all.  Also elevate the social value of academic achievement in school and lessen the value of extracurricular activities.  That takes parents unfortunately and is a tougher nut to crack.  Finally, aren't cell phones banned in the classroom.  If not, they should be.

Edited June 2, 2023 by redtail hawk

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, redtail hawk said:

you left out  vengeance.  A vengeful God is present throughout the old testament.  While in the new, Jesus is forgiving, many in current society would say to a fault.  But that was his point imo.  I also think the old testament is largely allegorical.  There are people arguing over whether dinosaurs could have fit in the ark for goodness sake.  but yes, i think the allegories point to what you say - humans are callable, turn away and need to get back to God.

 

Regarding education, i think the value of education should be taught formally at an early age.  Teach the relationship between education and earnings.  Simultaneously teach simple economics.  Describe lifestyles for different income levels.  Sound rough but it's reality in America and most of the world.  It should motivate the marginal students but not all.  Also elevate the social value of academic achievement in school and lessen the value of extracurricular activities.  That takes parents unfortunately and is a tougher nut to crack.  Finally, aren't cell phones banned in the classroom.  If not, they should be.

Thanks Hawk…well said 

I tried to boil it down to one sentence. 😉

[LeviF]

6 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

you left out  vengeance.  A vengeful God is present throughout the old testament.  While in the new, Jesus is forgiving, many in current society would say to a fault.  But that was his point imo.  I also think the old testament is largely allegorical.  There are people arguing over whether dinosaurs could have fit in the ark for goodness sake.  but yes, i think the allegories point to what you say - humans are fallable, turn away and need to get back to God.

 

Regarding education, i think the value of education should be taught formally at an early age.  Teach the relationship between education and earnings.  Simultaneously teach simple economics.  Describe lifestyles for different income levels.  Sound rough but it's reality in America and most of the world.  It should motivate the marginal students but not all.  Also elevate the social value of academic achievement in school and lessen the value of extracurricular activities.  That takes parents unfortunately and is a tougher nut to crack.  Finally, aren't cell phones banned in the classroom.  If not, they should be.

 

According to orthodox Christianity, Jesus is the God of the old testament. Inability to square that circle results in silly fedora-tier takes about Christianity. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks Hawk…well said 

I tried to boil it down to one sentence. 😉

Your summary was excellent.  I have also read the old testament from the beginning in a study group of Catholics.  Lots of difficult to absorb parts that seem inconsistent with the New Testament.  Lots of respectful disagreement among our group on some passages.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

5 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

According to orthodox Christianity, Jesus is the God of the old testament. Inability to square that circle results in silly fedora-tier takes about Christianity. 

Jesus is part of the trinity as described by St Patrick as a clover leaf.  That's my understanding which admittedly is superficial.

from wiki:

Traditionally, shamrock is said to have been used by Saint Patrick to illustrate the Christian doctrine of the Holy Trinity when Christianising Ireland in the 5th century. The first evidence of a link between St Patrick and the shamrock appears in 1675 on the St Patrick's Coppers or Halpennies. These appear to show a figure of St Patrick preaching to a crowd while holding a shamrock,[23] presumably to explain the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.[original research?]

Edited June 2, 2023 by redtail hawk