PrimeTime101 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Your either reaching for CB in round 1 or reaching for RB in round 1. CB seems to be the highest position needed but a top tier HB makes your team a whole lot dynamic on offense. You go 2 deep against Hall or Spiller... your going to wish you didnt... You bring a any safety forward... they going to wish they didnt. It seems this year it is about creating mismatches based on the team you are playing against. Being diverse against teams Like KC last year... and I am going to give you another example of how to beat KC? Baltimore beat KC cause they can run the ball. Chargers scored points fast passing but their running game stopped KC from having so many drives and thats how Chargers beat KC... KC lost to TEN cause of the running game. Lost the the Bengals Twice cause they can pass and run. Diversity is key.. and its not about your RB having to run 150 yard a game... its about the THREAT... We do not have a THREAT... Big Difference folks... 31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t mind trying to upgrade the RB room but reaching for an RB in the 1st round seems like total overkill Good teams that have great rosters sometimes have to reach. 17 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: This is how good teams become bad teams. This is the worst take I have read this week... You know what great teams do in the draft that have 1 or 2 holes? They do all they can to move up or back to get their player and if they cant then they fill the hole anyhow cause great teams don't have many holes to fill... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 5 hours ago, ScottLaw said: I don’t think the Bills ever have to worry about “burning clock” with Josh Allen as their QB…. Too many fans thinking circa mid 2000 Bills…. They need a more efficient running game, but they should be looking to score on every possession, not “burn clock”…. And the best way to do that is putting the ball in Allen’s hands more so than not… Dynamic WR over Breece Hall and it’s not even close… wouldn’t be surprised if McD wants to run the ball more though next season. Yep… need better personnel upfront for a better run game, hopefully they get it via the draft. YUP, it's like everyone already forgot the bills burning the clock down to 13 secs vs KC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, buffalo2218 said: As I have already pointed out, I'm not very draft inclined compared to a lot of you guys. I've seen arguments for everyone's pick. At the end of the day, I'll put my trust in Beane. If we trade up for a corner, I'll be good with that. I'm not very on board with taking a WR given the emergence of Davis and the resigning of Diggs. I also believe McKenzie will fill Beasley's role better than a lot of people think. The man's proven himself, so much so that he's become a Patriot killer. But if we do take a corner at 25, I just hope it won't be taking one for the sake of taking one. If Breece Hall is the pick, I won't hate it. I'm not on that RBs are a dime a dozen train. Call it what you want, RBs are capable of contributing to wins. Hall could very well fit right in, not just because of his talent, but how much better he could be in a Josh Allen run offense. Not calling it Dorsey's offense because I believe Allen has enough of his signature on it to call it his. I could understand taking a guard as well. All that being said, I'll trust Beane regardless You’ll trust Beane, but you aren’t on board with a WR? 1 hour ago, Virgil said: The more I watch tape, the more I would hope they go after Walker in the 2nd, if they go RB at all. I’m no way shape or form with they NOT go RB at some point. I think it will be sooner than most expect. I think that’s been brewing for a year now with the rumors about ettienne last year, the pre draft visits, the attempt at signing McKissic, and mcd’s recent quotes. 41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t mind trying to upgrade the RB room but reaching for an RB in the 1st round seems like total overkill The same people that think it’s a reach to take a RB are fine with taking the possible fifth or sixth CB off the board at 25. Talk about reaching… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, whorlnut said: You’ll trust Beane, but you aren’t on board with a WR? I’m no way shape or form with they NOT go RB at some point. I think it will be sooner than most expect. I think that’s been brewing for a year now with the rumors about ettienne last year, the pre draft visits, the attempt at signing McKissic, and mcd’s recent quotes. I just don't think Beane will go that route at 25 or even trade up for one. I would understand trading up for a CB, but for him to resign Diggs and Davis coming on strong at the end of last year, which will also mean another heavy contract for him later on down the road, I don't think he would pull the trigger this year. But if he does decide to go that route, I won't object Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, whorlnut said: You’ll trust Beane, but you aren’t on board with a WR? I’m no way shape or form with they NOT go RB at some point. I think it will be sooner than most expect. I think that’s been brewing for a year now with the rumors about ettienne last year, the pre draft visits, the attempt at signing McKissic, and mcd’s recent quotes. The same people that think it’s a reach to take a RB are fine with taking the possible fifth or sixth CB off the board at 25. Talk about reaching… I don’t know what this means… if the CB is higher on a team’s board than any of the RBs it doesn’t matter where he ranks within his own position on their board. And CB is a premium position, which is top heavy in this particular draft. How many CBs have 1st round grades vs how many RBs have 1st round grades determines which is a reach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, motorj said: YUP, it's like everyone already forgot the bills burning the clock down to 13 secs vs KC... did you watch that game? this might be the worst take I have read so far this year... there was 65 seconds left at the end of the game... Josh HAD to get a TD.. and he did it in 52 seconds... Where was there time to burn the clock that drive? have you lost your mind? You know when we could of burned the time? you know who burned clock that game? KC... They had 9 more minutes on the clock in time of possession and though Mahomes was the better rusher their #2 rusher ran for 60 yards. You know what our #1 rusher was? Josh Allen 68 yards... You know how many yards our RB's did combined? 41 yards... HORRIBLE! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, whorlnut said: You’ll trust Beane, but you aren’t on board with a WR? I’m no way shape or form with they NOT go RB at some point. I think it will be sooner than most expect. I think that’s been brewing for a year now with the rumors about ettienne last year, the pre draft visits, the attempt at signing McKissic, and mcd’s recent quotes. The same people that think it’s a reach to take a RB are fine with taking the possible fifth or sixth CB off the board at 25. Talk about reaching… not all drafts are created equal Sometimes there are 5-6 players at a group with first round talent This is a deep corner class... Much deeper with high end talent than rb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: not all drafts are created equal Sometimes there are 5-6 players at a group with first round talent This is a deep corner class... Much deeper with high end talent than rb I agree... Thats why if you have to reach for RB or CB in the first round... you reach for RB and get your CB Round 2. Last season the top 10 CB's, 5 came from the 2015 draft (3 of them outside round 1) and we are looking at a CB draft this year almost as deep in my opinion.... let that sink in.. Edited April 20, 2022 by PrimeTime101 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t know what this means… if the CB is higher on a team’s board than any of the RBs it doesn’t matter where he ranks within his own position on their board. And CB is a premium position, which is top heavy in this particular draft. How many CBs have 1st round grades vs how many RBs have 1st round grades determines which is a reach So you are just assuming that any corner will be rated higher than an RB. I disagree. I think the bills are very much in the market for offensive weapons and arent as urgent into getting a “top” corner as most of you are hoping. Beane has pretty much said that. However, you have to be living in a cave if you can’t see all the activity around WR, TE, and RB visits this off-season. 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: not all drafts are created equal Sometimes there are 5-6 players at a group with first round talent This is a deep corner class... Much deeper with high end talent than rb So you would admit then that you can also get a corner later in the draft? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: I agree... Thats why if you have to reach for RB or CB in the first round... you reach for RB and get your CB Round 2. Last season the top 10 CB's, 5 came from the 2015 draft (3 of them outside round 1) and we are looking at a CB draft this year almost as deep in my opinion.... let that sink in.. It's a lot easier to find a running back in the draft than a true outside corner Realistically you could find a gem anywhere, but your odds of finding a true outside cornerback decrease every round You can find a stud running back in in the second or third round of a lot of drafts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, whorlnut said: So you are just assuming that any corner will be rated higher than an RB. I disagree. I think the bills are very much in the market for offensive weapons and arent as urgent into getting a “top” corner as most of you are hoping. Beane has pretty much said that. However, you have to be living in a cave if you can’t see all the activity around WR, TE, and RB visits this off-season. its not about more weapons though.. its different TYPE of weapons. We got Howard cause that gives us weapons in a 2 TE set. We got Crowder out of need. A weapon at RB would bring this offense to where KC was when they had Hall. Just now, Buffalo716 said: It's a lot easier to find a running back in the draft than a true outside corner Realistically you could find a gem anywhere, but your odds of finding a true outside cornerback decrease every round You can find a stud running back in in the second or third round of a lot of drafts 1000% a... disagree lol... Though I get your point I think that is about even.... lets face facts... drafting is a flip of the coin or sometimes worse depending on the position BUT if i had to put money on one? yea RB lol 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, whorlnut said: So you are just assuming that any corner will be rated higher than an RB. I disagree. I think the bills are very much in the market for offensive weapons and arent as urgent into getting a “top” corner as most of you are hoping. Beane has pretty much said that. However, you have to be living in a cave if you can’t see all the activity around WR, TE, and RB visits this off-season. So you would admit then that you can also get a corner later in the draft? Again you could find a gem in any round realistically Those corners are all going to be gone by the time our second round pick rolls away You can find a really good running back in the second or third rounds of a lot of drafts ... Your chances of hitting a good outside corner are significantly lower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: its not about more weapons though.. its different TYPE of weapons. We got Howard cause that gives us weapons in a 2 TE set. We got Crowder out of need. A weapon at RB would bring this offense to where KC was when they had Hall. You mention 2 guys on deals that expire at season’s end. This has been part of my argument. They have very few “weapons” that are locked up after this season. All the longer contracts are on the defensive side except for a select few… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, whorlnut said: You mention 2 guys on deals that expire at season’s end. This has been part of my argument. They have very few “weapons” that are locked up after this season. All the longer contracts are on the defensive side except for a select few… Howard is a prove it contract.. I can see Howard wanting to stay if he does well and we at least make it to the big game this year. Crowder is a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Again you could find a gem in any round realistically Those corners are all going to be gone by the time our second round pick rolls away You can find a really good running back in the second or third rounds of a lot of drafts ... Your chances of hitting a good outside corner are significantly lower We can agree to disagree on this. By this logic, it’s quite possible that the running backs that Beane is interested in are gone at 57 too. Meanwhile, a guy like Cam Taylor-Britt, Martin Emerson, Coby Bryant, or Alontae Taylor might still be there. Again…there is also a chance to get a good corner later on as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: its not about more weapons though.. its different TYPE of weapons. We got Howard cause that gives us weapons in a 2 TE set. We got Crowder out of need. A weapon at RB would bring this offense to where KC was when they had Hall. 1000% a... disagree lol... Though I get your point I think that is about even.... lets face facts... drafting is a flip of the coin or sometimes worse depending on the position BUT if i had to put money on one? yea RB lol With the talent of division one running backs there are a lot of good ones in every single round There are 50 running backs in the NFL who have the talent to go for a thousand yards if given enough carries.. what most of them don't have is the longevity to do it for more than a season or two Every year there are good running backs that go undrafted.. That's how deep the pool is The cornerback pool is not that deep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: did you watch that game? this might be the worst take I have read so far this year... there was 65 seconds left at the end of the game... Josh HAD to get a TD.. and he did it in 52 seconds... Where was there time to burn the clock that drive? have you lost your mind? You know when we could of burned the time? you know who burned clock that game? KC... They had 9 more minutes on the clock in time of possession and though Mahomes was the better rusher their #2 rusher ran for 60 yards. You know what our #1 rusher was? Josh Allen 68 yards... You know how many yards our RB's did combined? 41 yards... HORRIBLE! Just agreeing with his post. I'd say burning the clock would be useless against a team like KC and scoring as much with the ball in Josh's hands would be more beneficial than going conservative mode and burning the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Just now, Buffalo716 said: With the talent of division one running backs there are a lot of good ones in every single round There are 50 running backs in the NFL who have the talent to go for a thousand yards if given enough carries.. what most of them don't have is the longevity to do it for more than a season or two Every year there are good running backs that go undrafted.. That's how deep the pool is The cornerback pool is not that deep You like contradicting yourself don’t you? In one of your recent posts you literally boast about how deep this draft is at high end corner talent and then you say this…haha. Wow… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Just now, Buffalo716 said: Again you could find a gem in any round realistically Those corners are all going to be gone by the time our second round pick rolls away You can find a really good running back in the second or third rounds of a lot of drafts ... Your chances of hitting a good outside corner are significantly lower Breece Hall is rated the best talent in this year’s draft. Better than Sauce Gardner and people want to pass on him because he’s a RB? He’s a weapon!! Listen to what all the draftniks say about adding him to this roster and how he will make this offense more potent. Path to the draft guys today were gushing over possibility of him in the backfield with Josh. Compared it to Kelly and Thurman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Just now, whorlnut said: We can agree to disagree on this. By this logic, it’s quite possible that the running backs that Beane is interested in are gone at 57 too. Meanwhile, a guy like Cam Taylor-Britt, Martin Emerson, Coby Bryant, or Alontae Taylor might still be there. Again…there is also a chance to get a good corner later on as well. I don't disagree that you could find a good cornerback in the second or third round I'm just saying that it's easier to find a good running back in round three compared to a good corner I think the drop off is significantly more for corners than running backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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