Should the Bills extend Edmunds?

[JayBaller10]

I still find it pretty damning that when AJ Klein had to step in for an injured Tremaine, Poyer said of the substitution, “there was no drop off at all.”

[LABILLBACKER]

6 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I still find it pretty damning that when AJ Klein had to step in for an injured Tremaine, Poyer said of the substitution, “there was no drop off at all.”

Of course there wasn't.  You could probably stick Dodson in there for a game or 2 and not notice much difference.

Edited February 16 by LABILLBACKER

[Wizard]

Trade, Trade, Trade.

[JayBaller10]

15 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Of course there wasn't.  You could probably stick Dodson in there for a game or 2 and not notice much difference.

But even if Poyer saw that, I thought he should’ve been more diplomatic like “listen, we missed having Tremaine in there, but I thought AJ did an outstanding job.” Or “AJ isn’t Tremaine, we know that, but he really stepped up today.” I felt like his original statement diminished the importance of Edmunds to the defense.

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Shake_My_Head said:

Wilson is everything we need Edmunds to be (and which he'll never achive).    Instinctive, impactful and someone who makes plays behind the LOS, not six yards+ downfield.

I guess the real enigma is why 25% of Bills fans refuse to admit this.  I think the most devastating statistic on Tremaine's performance lies in the qb rating of 114 and 106 when he's been targeted these last 2 seasons.  I thought that was supposed to be his strength?  And no one is saying Milano is great or elite by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe that light bulb goes on or even explodes in year 5 but as so many posters have accurately stated, it's highly unlikely 49 plays to that 12.7M production. 

[LABILLBACKER]

14 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

But even if Poyer saw that, I thought he should’ve been more diplomatic like “listen, we missed having Tremaine in there, but I thought AJ did an outstanding job.” Or “AJ isn’t Tremaine, we know that, but he really stepped up today.” I felt like his original statement diminished the importance of Edmunds to the defense.

I agree. He could've been a little kinder in his comparison. But sometimes players can be inadvertently "brutally honest".

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:

I still find it pretty damning that when AJ Klein had to step in for an injured Tremaine, Poyer said of the substitution, “there was no drop off at all.”

 

 

It's been the case that his replacement has shown little if any drop-off every time Tremaine has been out with injury.

[Norcalbillsfan]

2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I guess the real enigma is why 25% of Bills fans refuse to admit this.  I think the most devastating statistic on Tremaine's performance lies in the qb rating of 114 and 106 when he's been targeted these last 2 seasons.  I thought that was supposed to be his strength?  And no one is saying Milano is great or elite by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe that light bulb goes on or even explodes in year 5 but as so many posters have accurately stated, it's highly unlikely 49 plays to that 12.7M production. 

I do wonder where that supposed "strength" in coverage idea came from.  I've never thought that was his strength. Bill fennel cbs analysts with unbiased opinions even said don't drop edmunds into coverage. 

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

I do wonder where that supposed "strength" in coverage idea came from.  I've never thought that was his strength. Bill fennel cbs analysts with unbiased opinions even said don't drop edmunds into coverage. 

One possible answer to this debate, whether coverage is a strength for Edmunds, could boil down to how frequently he is targeted per coverage drop compared to other LBs? These numbers, in context, could help refute or support the criticisms levied against him w/r/t pass coverage.

 

Because it seems like the argument I read in favor of his coverage abilities is that Edmunds discourages throws into his zones due to length and athleticism. Whereas the argument(s) against are QB ratings allowed and a lack of INTs and PDs. I see subjective/qualitative support and objective/quantitative criticism. 

 

Anyone have OBJECTIVE support/evidence of Tremaine's pass coverage prowess? 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Of course there wasn't.  You could probably stick Dodson in there for a game or 2 and not notice much difference.

I actually like Dodson. I kind of wish he had gotten a little playing time over the last 2 seasons. I thought he played pretty well in Miami the year he was able to start. Always was hoping to see more of him.

[JayBaller10]

22 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

Anyone have OBJECTIVE support/evidence of Tremaine's pass coverage prowess? 

It doesn’t exist. All you’ll get are the subjective, unquantifiable answers that suggest he discourages throws due to his mere presence roaming the middle. It’s the silliest argument I’ve ever heard, because I continually see him chasing receivers after a catch is made.

[DJB]

Guess what he still sucks

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

It doesn’t exist. All you’ll get are the subjective, unquantifiable answers that suggest he discourages throws due to his mere presence roaming the middle. It’s the silliest argument I’ve ever heard, because I continually see him chasing receivers after a catch is made.

Yep.

 

And he gets manipulated by the quarterbacks eyes so easy in the pass game.

 

Mahomes just toys with him 

[MAJBobby]

9 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

The stats show he is not an impact player at all and the eye test reflects that perfectly.

Watch the KC game and look at Mahomes deceive him with his eyes all game long. Nothing to do with individual stats there. (Except for the fact he couldn't make a game impact play of course)

 

 

Now want to tell me all the responsibilities that are placed on him. Can you see that in the eye test or the stats?  
 

did ANYONE on the NFLs NO 1 Defense make a game impact play?  Where were the All Pro Safeties?  Where was Stud Milano on Kelce?  

Edited February 16 by MAJBobby

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Now want to tell me all the responsibilities that are placed on him. Can you see that in the eye test or the stats?  
 

did ANYONE on the NFLs NO 1 Defense make a game impact play?  Where were the All Pro Safeties?  Where was Stud Milano on Kelce?  

They all had a bad game. 
 

But the "all pro" safeties also made game changing impact plays all season.

 

Just look at Micah Hyde's play against New England in the playoffs.

 

Edmunds does nothing well. 
 

You are allowed to have responsibilities and make plays outside of those responsibilities... just look at basically any good player on defence for any team lol.

 

Edmunds is just straight up not that guy

[VaMilBill]

I think his strength in coverage, or at least what the coaches allude to, is his ability to run down screens and swing passes and prevent them from becoming huge gains. I will admit he is very good at that. 
 

now dropping into coverage over the middle of the field it seems like he doesn’t have a good feel. Otherwise, he’d have more pass break-ups and interceptions, IMO

[MAJBobby]

18 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

They all had a bad game. 
 

But the "all pro" safeties also made game changing impact plays all season.

 

Just look at Micah Hyde's play against New England in the playoffs.

 

Edmunds does nothing well. 
 

You are allowed to have responsibilities and make plays outside of those responsibilities... just look at basically any good player on defence for any team lol.

 

Edmunds is just straight up not that guy

Ahhh ok so the pivot. Got it. We agree to disagree then. 

[Canadian Bills Fan]

[BillsFan130]

16 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Ahhh ok so the pivot. Got it. We agree to disagree then. 

I don't think I pivoted as I addressed your point saying that I agree that everyone had a bad game against the chiefs.

 

But was making the point on top of it that Edmunds never makes game changing plays and gave the example of the Micah Hyde.

 

But ya fair enough, we'll agree to disagree on Edmunds

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I don't think I pivoted as I addressed your point saying that I agree that everyone had a bad game against the chiefs.

 

But was making the point on top of it that Edmunds never makes game changing plays and gave the example of the Micah Hyde.

 

But ya fair enough, we'll agree to disagree on Edmunds

Except he does. What do you consider fake changing plays. You know who else didn’t Milano but he can do no wrong playing the easiest LBer position their is to play in a Will. 
 

what is funny is Edmunds is a two gap MIke (not many if any do that). He actually has more responsibility in this defense than Keuchley did in Carolina. 

Edited February 16 by MAJBobby