Democracy’s Fiery Ordeal: The War in Ukraine 🇺🇦

[Tiberius]

Putin refuses to admit he lost 

 

 

Who does that remind us all of? 

[TSOL]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Putin refuses to admit he lost 

 

 

Who does that remind us all of? 

 

 

BillStime?

[Tiberius]

17 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

BillStime?

Putin is a loser 

 

Trump is a loser 

 

TSOL is a loser 

[The Frankish Reich]

https://apnews.com/article/edward-snowden-russian-citizenship-441ab3c037b91145d17f2de2237f834d?taid=6331d2d3ad85850001c8e9f1
 

Meanwhile, noted libertarian and opponent of the surveillance state Edward Snowden has found an open, transparent, civil rights abiding country more to his liking. Congratulations, Comrade Snowden! And you will also be exempt from Putin’s free and fair draft, although I’m sure he’d let you volunteer. 

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

https://apnews.com/article/edward-snowden-russian-citizenship-441ab3c037b91145d17f2de2237f834d?taid=6331d2d3ad85850001c8e9f1
 

Meanwhile, noted libertarian and opponent of the surveillance state Edward Snowden has found an open, transparent, civil rights abiding country more to his liking. Congratulations, Comrade Snowden! And you will also be exempt from Putin’s free and fair draft, although I’m sure he’d let you volunteer. 

Putin is really scrounging for change trying to find political wins for himself.

[Coffeesforclosers]

The stuff coming out of Russia right now is insane. Widespread draft dodging, attacks on recruiting offices, mass flight to the borders, at least one recruiter murdered. It's like they're speedrunning Vietnam.

 

If you're going to make a conscript army work, you need a just cause, some damn good propaganda, or both. Ukraine has both and Russia has neither. 

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

11 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Putin refuses to admit he lost 

 

 

Who does that remind us all of? 

Bills fans bitching about the heat. 

[Tiberius]

Russia is so f'd 

 

Their economy will never recover 

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

The stuff coming out of Russia right now is insane. Widespread draft dodging, attacks on recruiting offices, mass flight to the borders, at least one recruiter murdered. It's like they're speedrunning Vietnam.

 

If you're going to make a conscript army work, you need a just cause, some damn good propaganda, or both. Ukraine has both and Russia has neither. 

 

 

 

Its only a matter of time before they all show up at the Texas border requesting asylum. 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Its only a matter of time before they all show up at the Texas border requesting asylum. 

All the better reason to have a pro-democracy foreign policy. If Venezuela had a functioning democracy DeSantis couldn't be kidnapping those legal immigrants and shipping them across state lines 

[All_Pro_Bills]

23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

All the better reason to have a pro-democracy foreign policy. If Venezuela had a functioning democracy DeSantis couldn't be kidnapping those legal immigrants and shipping them across state lines 

The fake liberals love to conjure up all sorts of "crimes" in an attempt to redirect the main theme of the story when somebody embarrasses them and exposes their hypocrisy.  In this case they welcome and embrace everybody, just not to their community or neighborhood.    

[sherpa]

33 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

All the better reason to have a pro-democracy foreign policy. If Venezuela had a functioning democracy DeSantis couldn't be kidnapping those legal immigrants and shipping them across state lines 

 

That is precisely the problem of not enforcing our borders or immigration law at the national level.

 

As long as they can come here with ease, there is no reason to force domestic change in their own country.

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, sherpa said:

 

That is precisely the problem of not enforcing our borders or immigration law at the national level.

 

As long as they can come here with ease, there is no reason to force domestic change in their own country.

Asylum seekers are here legally. I hope you don't think we should should just throw people back to the wolves

 

I do wish we spent more money on helping other nations so they would want to stay where they can live, thrive and survive. It would help out so much with the global war for democracy against China, Russia, North Korea and Iran

[SoCal Deek]

Unbelievable!  The United States does not have the money or resources to turn every other country into a 'democracy'...nor is it our role in the world. (Paging George Bush, paging George Bush). Similarly, we do not have the money, space or resources to accept every person around the world who claims they are coming here seeking asylum. This is a fool's errand. 

[Tiberius]

Looks like someone sabotaged Nordstream pipelines 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/27/qa-what-is-known-so-far-about-the-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-leak

[sherpa]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Asylum seekers are here legally. I hope you don't think we should should just throw people back to the wolves

 

I do wish we spent more money on helping other nations so they would want to stay where they can live, thrive and survive. It would help out so much with the global war for democracy against China, Russia, North Korea and Iran

 

"Asylum seekers?"

They are illegal aliens, and there are millions just this year.

It doesn't matter a bit if we "spend more money" helping nations with tyrannical governments if that money goes through that government.

 

I don't think you have any idea of the scope of this, but I do know that not enforcing our immigration laws promotes and empowers these same tyrannical governments.

 

See the idiocy of Carter's Mariel boatlift for an example.

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

 

 

I don't think you have any idea of the scope  

No, that's you. Your arguments are pretty weak in general actually. 

[sherpa]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, that's you. Your arguments are pretty weak in general actually. 

 

Really?

 

Weak?

 

I flew South America for ten years, from about 2002 until 2012.

I went through Miami Customs and Immigration once a week and sometimes five or six times a week.

I had countless opportunities to talk to Immigration folks during that time, as various US Immigration computer delays delays would occur.

 

I guarantee you that you have no idea of how much of an industry this is, or how much money is made by it by brokers in South/Central America.

 

Standard situation. A woman gets a visa. Comes up pregnant before here trip.

Immigration agents would state that there is no way that woman or that child is ever going to abide by the visa.

 

You don't know the situation, and you don't know what a "weak" argument is.

You are a political hack.

Uninformed and ignorant.

 

[Tiberius]

Just now, sherpa said:

 

Really?

 

Weak?

 

I flew South America for ten years, from about 2002 until 2012.

I went through Miami Customs and Immigration once a week and sometimes five or six times a week.

I had countless opportunities to talk to Immigration folks during that time, as various US Immigration computer delays delays would occur.

 

I guarantee you that you have no idea of how much of an industry this is, or how much money is made by it by brokers in South/Central America.

 

Standard situation. A woman gets a visa. Comes up pregnant before here trip.

Immigration agents would state that there is no way that woman or that child is ever going to abide by the visa.

 

You don't know the situation, and you don't know what a "weak" argument is.

You are a political hack.

Uninformed and ignorant.

 

I know I know, and you also know what Thomas Jefferson would think of Biden, blah blah 

[sherpa]

36 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I know I know, and you also know what Thomas Jefferson would think of Biden, blah blah 

 

You've got nothing, and you never have.

Your are analogous to a vending machine.

Someone puts something in, and you puke out the same nonsense.

Totally political.

Void of any knowledge, context, experience, insight or judgement, or even periods at the end of sentences.

 

Just a senseless, vacuous, thoughtless machine.

A random error generator that generates every time.

 

Illegal aliens are "asylum seekers."

Sure.

[All_Pro_Bills]

4 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

You've got nothing, and you never have.

Your are analogous to a vending machine.

Someone puts something in, and you puke out the same nonsense.

Totally political.

Void of any knowledge, context, experience, insight or judgement, or even periods at the end of sentences.

 

Just a senseless, vacuous, thoughtless machine.

A random error generator that generates every time.

 

Illegal aliens are "asylum seekers."

Sure.

One problem is this administration is applying the definition and criteria for "asylum seekers", which is someone fleeing political persecution, to 100's of thousands that are in reality crossing the border seeking economic opportunity.  The political persecution angle is like a free pass as the economic criteria is harder to meet.  Obviously, Biden's administration knows this is a blatant misrepresentation.

[SoCal Deek]

15 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

One problem is this administration is applying the definition and criteria for "asylum seekers", which is someone fleeing political persecution, to 100's of thousands that are in reality crossing the border seeking economic opportunity.  The political persecution angle is like a free pass as the economic criteria is harder to meet.  Obviously, Biden's administration knows this is a blatant misrepresentation.

And apparently all of the THOUSANDS of got away immigrants just weren’t paying attention in asylum seeker class. 😂😂

[Demongyz]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Looks like someone sabotaged Nordstream pipelines 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/27/qa-what-is-known-so-far-about-the-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-leak

President Biden stated in February that if Russia invaded Ukraine there would be no nord stream 2.  Now both just blew up.

Was this the USA?  Did Europe blow them up to prevent public outcry to buy gas from Russia come winter?  

 Russia doesn't need to blow up their pipelines to shut them down, they control the spigot, so seems like it would be a different actor.

[Tiberius]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

One problem is this administration is applying the definition and criteria for "asylum seekers", which is someone fleeing political persecution, to 100's of thousands that are in reality crossing the border seeking economic opportunity.  The political persecution angle is like a free pass as the economic criteria is harder to meet.  Obviously, Biden's administration knows this is a blatant misrepresentation.

Cuba and Venezula are totally repressive governmnet, that's worth seeking asylum from 

[Demongyz]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Cuba and Venezula are totally repressive governmnet, that's worth seeking asylum from 

I agree, though Biden was sending boats back to Cuba for some reason.  Everyone else is welcome.  That's weird stuff.

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Cuba and Venezula are totally repressive governmnet, that's worth seeking asylum from 

There are people from dozens of countries, maybe more, I lost count.  Some from Asia, Africa, and the Middle East that traveled to Mexico to walk across the border.  They're seeking better economic conditions, not fleeing political oppression.

[sherpa]

17 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Cuba and Venezula are totally repressive governmnet, that's worth seeking asylum from 

 

You are truly a study in nonsense.

 

It doesn't matter what your view of what is worth seeking asylum from.

 

Being oppressed by governments that were elected does not tip the "asylum" scale.

 

The reality is that the US cannot afford to take in every single individual who does not have the courage to effect governmental change in their own countries.

Such a policy is suicide, and it is playing out.

 

You don't get that.

I get that you don't get that, but that is absolute reality.

[Tiberius]

lol 

 

 

[Tiberius]

Been some buzz on twitter about this. looks like Russian forces are being pinched out of another important point 

 

 

[Tiberius]

 

 

[BillStime]

Can’t understand why Russians don’t want to fight “Bidens” war, right @Big Blitz?

 

 

[Tiberius]

I hear Trump has said he wants to mediate between Putin and Ukraine. Probably just wants to meet Putin to pass on contents of those empty folders 

 

Meanwhile, Biden sends fascist killing weapons 

 

 

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

34 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I hear Trump has said he wants to mediate between Putin and Ukraine.

 

 

 

 

1. Can I see a source for this?

 

2. He should send Robert Lighthizer instead. That guy actually had the skill to sniff out the weaknesses of someone's negotiating position, then mercilessly take advantage of them. Lighthizer was tying the Chinese in knots while Trump was suckered by Russia's bluffs and threats. 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

1. Can I see a source for this?

 

 I saw someone tweet about it and looked it up but this is all I found and you have to register which I didn't 

 

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-offers-to-mediate-a-peace-deal-between-russia-ukraine-and-us_4761497.html

[Tiberius]

No longer "Putin is a genius" or "Putin just wants to be our friend" 

 

End this embarrassment now! But don't call on Putin to leave Ukraine? 

 

 

[sherpa]

In my considered view, we are watching the end of Putin.

 

Thanks to the American taxpayer, and American intelligence capability, which seems to be clearly leading to Ukrainian success.

 

No thanks to NATO.

[Coffeesforclosers]

2 hours ago, sherpa said:

 

No thanks to NATO.

 

Come on now. There's quite a bit of difference between Eastern European NATO member actions, and Central European NATO member actions. Eastern Europe is donating it's Soviet era weapons hand over fist, and repairing damaged Ukrainian gear in leftover Soviet factories. The Poles gave Ukraine practically their entire Soviet era tank fleet for free. Your takes are usually solid, but this one is trash. 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2022 by Coffeesforclosers

[sherpa]

8 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

Come on now. There's quite a bit of difference between Eastern European NATO member actions, and Central European NATO member actions. Eastern Europe is donating it's Soviet era weapons hand over fist, and repairing damaged Ukrainian gear in leftover Soviet factories. The Poles gave Ukraine practically their entire Soviet era tank fleet for free. Your takes are usually solid, but this one is trash. 

 

 

 

Want trash?

Check out NATO European member's air force status, ex UK.

[Tiberius]

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Shame.  But we're still on track for WWIII by March 2024

 

 

 

President Vladimir V. Putin will sign agreements on Friday for the Russian Federation to take over four Ukrainian territories, the Kremlin said on Thursday, outlining plans to annex the regions after referendums that were widely denounced as a sham.

 

Dmitri S. Peskov, the Kremlin’s spokesman, also said Mr. Putin would make a speech at the Kremlin.

 

As the Kremlin prepared a show designed to present a sheen of legitimacy to its annexation, the authorities in Moscow put up billboards and a giant video screen in Red Square and announced road closures for Friday. State media described it as preparations for a rally and concert “in support of the outcome of the referendums.”

 

The annexation move has been greeted with international condemnation, and Ukraine has essentially ignored the Kremlin’s plans. Kyiv’s forces have pressed on with a counteroffensive that has enabled them to retake territory in the northeast of the country this month and make inroads into Donetsk and Luhansk, two of the regions where referendums were held.

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/29/world/russia-ukraine-war-news/putin-will-sign-agreements-on-friday-that-will-allow-takeover-of-ukrainian-regions-the-kremlin-says?smid=url-share