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27 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

As much as I disagree with everything Beasley has said on COVID vaccinations, nothing he said seemed racist to me.

 

I saw this covered way up thread by another poster, but I’ll reiterate it here: This would be an excellent time for Josh Allen to show some leadership. 


What does “leadership” on this look like to you?

 

How do you know he hasn’t, and isn’t, doing that behind the scenes.  
 

Sometimes you have to let people express themselves, especially on such a touchy topic… and (likely) one Josh Allen sides with Cole on.  

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21 hours ago, nucci said:

Social media needs to go away. Use the internet the way it was originally intended. Sports and porn!

 

@nucci I always thought it was cats and porn, but whose counting?

 

P.S. Are you Rob Antonucci?

21 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

The Twittering Bickering Bills?

 

Hey, if this iteration thereof begets some Super Bowl teams, I'm all in!

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27 minutes ago, SCBills said:


What does “leadership” on this look like to you?

 

How do you know he hasn’t, and isn’t, doing that behind the scenes.  
 

Sometimes you have to let people express themselves, especially on such a touchy topic… and (likely) one Josh Allen sides with Cole on.  


He’s not doing anything of substance behind the scenes - or if he has been, it obviously hasn’t been effective.  He could go the route that Baker Mayfield did.  Or he could simply make a statement to the effect that players need to put the team first by respecting each other’s opinions, following whichever set of rules they chose and keeping anything decisive in house. 

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1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

This is absurd. A 1000 Yd wr, that’s a top 3 slot man in the NFL and you won’t be upset when we cut him? Because of some dumb Twitter BS? Sorry, but that’s complete garbage IMO. 
 

I think Beasley looks ridiculous right now. I find most of what he’s saying very off putting. But with that being said, let’s not get things twisted. This dude gutted through 3 games with a freaking broken leg. Plenty wouldn’t have. The man loves the game and his teammates. The bills are a lesser team without him. Hands down. 

He's not a 1000-yd receiver.  Never has been.  Came close last year, but not remotely close in his prior 8 seasons.

 

The players said earlier this year, that COVID-related topics would be kept in house. Beasley, however, spouted off on Twitter regarding COVID, and then said that he was staying off of Twitter.  He did it again, and said that he didn't want to be a distraction to the team.  But then, he tweeted about it again...and again....and again...and again.  He's created a massive distraction - I want the players to be focused on winning the SB, and not worried about how to answer questions regarding's Beasley's position re. vaccines and his rants.  

 

Regardless of my personal feelings, if Beasley doesn't want to get the vaccine, that's his call and decision.  I'm inclined to believe that there are established vets on the team (e.g. Poyer) who could've gone off like Beasley did, but chose not to.   Given the new NFL policy re. COVID forfeits, his decision to not vaccinate may impact his team's chances of winnings, and his teammates' pocketbooks.   

 

I have to imagine that McD and Beane are pissed beyond belief - Beasley has basically, via Twitter, given them both the giant FU over and over again this summer - and I wouldn't blame them for a second for cutting ties with Beasley.  

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28 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:


He’s not doing anything of substance behind the scenes - or if he has been, it obviously hasn’t been effective.  He could go the route that Baker Mayfield did.  Or he could simply make a statement to the effect that players need to put the team first by respecting each other’s opinions, following whichever set of rules they chose and keeping anything decisive in house. 


Theres no way for you to know what he’s doing behind the scenes.  
 

Does Kyler Murray need to come out publicly and say something about Deandre Hopkins?

 

A guy from Tampa Bay just posted a whole Bill Gates conspiracy theory.   Does Brady need to publicly address that?

 

Jalen Ramsey tweeted out something completely rational as the leader of the Rams and was torched by Twitter vaccine enthusiasts. 
 

Probably better to just stay quiet on social media right now as the leader of the team.  
 

Or I suppose we could demand he start speaking about this to the public and be a trending topic on Twitter again.  Dak made one dumb comment yesterday and was top trending in America, literally, all day yesterday…. Still trending today.  
 

Cole should chill a bit on the socials, but I’m not thinking Josh Allen off the top rope is anything we need right now… especially when we know he’s probably on the opposite side on this as the outrage-driven NFL journalist blue check mark brigade. 

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2 minutes ago, SCBills said:


Theres no way for you to know what he’s doing behind the scenes.  
 

Does Kyler Murray need to come out publicly and say something about Deandre Hopkins?

 

A guy from Tampa Bay just posted a whole Bill Gates conspiracy theory.   Does Brady need to publicly address that?

 

Jalen Ramsey tweeted out something completely rational as the leader of the Rams and was torched by Twitter vaccine enthusiasts. 
 

Probably better to just stay quiet on social media right now as the leader of the team.  
 

Or I suppose we could demand he start speaking about this to the public and be a trending topic on Twitter again.  Dak made one dumb comment yesterday and was top trending in America, literally, all day yesterday…. Still trending today.  
 

Cole should chill a bit on the socials, but I’m not thinking Josh Allen off the top rope is anything we need right now… especially when we know he’s probably on the opposite side on this as the outrage-driven NFL journalist blue check mark brigade. 

As I already said, we can definitely see that Allen is either doing nothing or something that has been ineffective.  That’s been borne out by what we see.  
 

Suggesting that the team’s QB should show some leadership when something threatens to divide the locker room should not be controversial.  He can do so without taking a public stance or by calling any particular player out.  

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55 minutes ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

@nucci I always thought it was cats and porn, but whose counting?

 

 

OK OK sports, CATS, and porn.  And maybe recipes.

 

5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

As I already said, we can definitely see that Allen is either doing nothing or something that has been ineffective.  That’s been borne out by what we see.  

 

Doesn't follow actually.  For all we know, without leadership behind the scenes what we see would have been louder and worse.

 

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Suggesting that the team’s QB should show some leadership when something threatens to divide the locker room should not be controversial.  He can do so without taking a public stance or by calling any particular player out.  

 

It would be nice if leadership were 100% effective every day with everyone, but that isn't how it works.

 

1 hour ago, Muppy said:

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Agreed.  Beautiful family.

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1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

As I already said, we can definitely see that Allen is either doing nothing or something that has been ineffective.  That’s been borne out by what we see.  
 

Suggesting that the team’s QB should show some leadership when something threatens to divide the locker room should not be controversial.  He can do so without taking a public stance or by calling any particular player out.  


Again, you have no idea if this is “dividing the locker room”.  
 

Hughes and Cole had the most polite public disagreement I’ve ever seen.  Then Jerry squashed it and reiterated that Cole is his boy.  
 

I see nothing that tells me this team has any internal issues right now.  It’s all fan speculation.   
 

IMO, it’s healthy to feel comfortable enough around people you care about to have disagreements that don’t destroy the relationship.   I’ve seen nothing to make me believe any damage is being done.  
 

Would I rather Cole chill on Twitter… yup.  But this seems way more of a fan issue than a team issue right now.  I see no need for Josh Allen to insert himself publicly at the moment. 

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3 minutes ago, SCBills said:


Again, you have no idea if this is “dividing the locker room”.  
 

Hughes and Cole had the most polite public disagreement I’ve ever seen.  Then Jerry squashed it and reiterated that Cole is his boy.  
 

I see nothing that tells me this team has any internal issues right now.  It’s all fan speculation.   
 

IMO, it’s healthy to feel comfortable enough around people you care about to have disagreements that don’t destroy the relationship.   I’ve seen nothing to make me believe any damage is being done.  
 

Would I rather Cole chill on Twitter… yup.  But this seems way more of a fan issue than a team issue right now.  I see no need for Josh Allen to insert himself publicly at the moment. 

Do you think that Beane and McDermott are happy about Beasley's numerous tweets regarding COVID and vaccinations?

 

Do you think that Beasley has created a distraction for the Bills as an organization and other Bills players?

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1 minute ago, SCBills said:


Again, you have no idea if this is “dividing the locker room”.  
 

Hughes and Cole had the most polite public disagreement I’ve ever seen.  Then Jerry squashed it and reiterated that Cole is his boy.  
 

I see nothing that tells me this team has any internal issues right now.  It’s all fan speculation.   
 

IMO, it’s healthy to feel comfortable enough around people you care about to have disagreements that don’t destroy the relationship.   I’ve seen nothing to make me believe any damage is being done.  
 

Would I rather Cole chill on Twitter… yup.  But this seems way more of a fan issue than a team issue right now.  I see no need for Josh Allen to insert himself publicly at the moment. 

What I said is that this could be something that divides the locker room, not that it already was.  The point would be to head that off before it happens.  Do you disagree?

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8 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Do you think that Beane and McDermott are happy about Beasley's numerous tweets regarding COVID and vaccinations?

 

Do you think that Beasley has created a distraction for the Bills as an organization and other Bills players?


Beane and McDermott, I’m sure, are not happy about Beasley going off on social media.  That’s between ownership/coaches and Cole.  
 

In regards to the team… I doubt any of them care that much.   Just like every other team, they’re working through, what now looks to be, a gross misstep by the NFL in their guidelines.   
 

Like every other team… a Josh Allen, Dak Prescott, Tom Brady etc., can evade vaccination questions because nobody would ever pressure them to get it.  
 

Like every other team, the internal & external pressure will be on guys that could end up on the wrong side of a cut line.  
 

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11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Doesn't follow actually.  For all we know, without leadership behind the scenes what we see would have been louder and worse.

 

It would be nice if leadership were 100% effective every day with everyone, but that isn't how it works.


Dude.  I don’t even know what to say to this.

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8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Why is it a misstep?


Teams can be forced to forfeit games if an outbreak occurs amongst unvaccinated, but no guidance yet on what happens if the outbreak occurs amongst vaccinated.   
 

Meanwhile, unvaccinated will be tested regularly, with more limitations on what they can do, whereas vaccinated will be tested less regularly with more freedom.  
 

That seems like a major issue when unvaccinated can still get, and spread, covid.  
 

This type of stuff, mandated by the NFL, along with the thresh-hold requirements for certain activities are why you’ve seen a flurry of players speaking publicly about this now. 
 

Add in two coaches quitting over required vaccination, and this week hasn’t been a great look for the league.
 

Although, I suppose, if vaccination is someone’s new religion, they are thrilled to see these punitive stances taken. 

 

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1 hour ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

He's not a 1000-yd receiver.  Never has been.  Came close last year, but not remotely close in his prior 8 seasons.

 

The players said earlier this year, that COVID-related topics would be kept in house. Beasley, however, spouted off on Twitter regarding COVID, and then said that he was staying off of Twitter.  He did it again, and said that he didn't want to be a distraction to the team.  But then, he tweeted about it again...and again....and again...and again.  He's created a massive distraction - I want the players to be focused on winning the SB, and not worried about how to answer questions regarding's Beasley's position re. vaccines and his rants.  

 

Regardless of my personal feelings, if Beasley doesn't want to get the vaccine, that's his call and decision.  I'm inclined to believe that there are established vets on the team (e.g. Poyer) who could've gone off like Beasley did, but chose not to.   Given the new NFL policy re. COVID forfeits, his decision to not vaccinate may impact his team's chances of winnings, and his teammates' pocketbooks.   

 

I have to imagine that McD and Beane are pissed beyond belief - Beasley has basically, via Twitter, given them both the giant FU over and over again this summer - and I wouldn't blame them for a second for cutting ties with Beasley.  

given the amount of players that are already in the vaccination process i find this matter to be 100% overblown... other than the fact that he himself may not be able to play due to testing positive. in which case i'd be a bit irritated.

40 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Do you think that Beane and McDermott are happy about Beasley's numerous tweets regarding COVID and vaccinations?

 

Do you think that Beasley has created a distraction for the Bills as an organization and other Bills players?

 this wouldnt hinder me from preparing for the job in which i'm deemed a professional. stop being so dramatic.

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Just now, SCBills said:

Teams can be forced to forfeit games if an outbreak occurs amongst unvaccinated, but no guidance yet on what happens if the outbreak occurs amongst vaccinated.   

 

They actually stated in the policy that if an outbreak occurs among vaccinated players they will do their best to accommodate the affected team, and it doesn't sound like there would be any financial repercussions to those teams.

 

The problem with a lot of the analysis I see in this thread is that people are evaluating the policy in the context of it ending covid when really we should look at it in the context of reducing the magnitude of the problem. The NFL isn't telling players to perform the impossible; it's telling them to take the best available measures to them to prevent the spread of covid in the league. And as of today the single best measure by far is to receive the vaccine. They're basically saying if you receive the vaccine you did what you could, and as a reward we will not punish you if you have bad luck and still contract the virus.

 

And this is really a problem I see in general in these vaccine debates, that a lot of people are talking about certainties when really the discussion should be around probabilities. No one is trying to claim that the vaccine is 100% effective.

 

We know of one player already - Emmanuel Sanders - that got the vaccine after the NFL's new policy, because he recognized that not getting it could potentially hurt the team. I assume other players in the league will follow the same logic. So in that respect the policy is successful in reducing the magnitude of the problem.

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55 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Dude.  I don’t even know what to say to this.

 

What is your leadership experience guiding strong-minded macho individuals over whom you have no direct authority?

Mine is that it's like herding cats - you can influence most of them, you can lead by example, but you can't achieve 100% compliance.

 

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

As I already said, we can definitely see that Allen is either doing nothing or something that has been ineffective.  That’s been borne out by what we see. 

 

And again - how do you know it's ineffective?  Seems entirely possible that he's influencing, and what we would see would be much louder and from many more players without.

 

Effective leadership doesn't mean you magically get everyone to 100% fall in line and do as you say.

 

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Suggesting that the team’s QB should show some leadership when something threatens to divide the locker room should not be controversial.  He can do so without taking a public stance or by calling any particular player out.  

 

You simply don't know what's going on behind the scenes.

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1 hour ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

The players said earlier this year, that COVID-related topics would be kept in house. Beasley, however, spouted off on Twitter regarding COVID, and then said that he was staying off of Twitter.  He did it again, and said that he didn't want to be a distraction to the team.  But then, he tweeted about it again...and again....and again...and again.  He's created a massive distraction - I want the players to be focused on winning the SB, and not worried about how to answer questions regarding's Beasley's position re. vaccines and his rants.  

 

Regardless of my personal feelings, if Beasley doesn't want to get the vaccine, that's his call and decision.  I'm inclined to believe that there are established vets on the team (e.g. Poyer) who could've gone off like Beasley did, but chose not to.   Given the new NFL policy re. COVID forfeits, his decision to not vaccinate may impact his team's chances of winnings, and his teammates' pocketbooks.   

 

I have to imagine that McD and Beane are pissed beyond belief - Beasley has basically, via Twitter, given them both the giant FU over and over again this summer - and I wouldn't blame them for a second for cutting ties with Beasley.  

 

This.  Beasley is on a crusade, no doubt, and has created a situation that is going to be a challenge for everyone on the team to deal with.

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7 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

He has proven to be a very team first player up until this point. Played on a bum leg throughout the playoffs, great chemistry with the team in general. He is not an anti-vaxxer as portrayed he is just concerned about this particular vaccine. It would be a big hit to lose him.

 

Totally agree with you, and I wouldn't have any desire to get rid of him.

 

The trouble I see is that he's up against a big machine, and he's not going to win that battle. So far he's not backing down and he's just going further and further. If he doesn't accept the situation, I don't see it playing out positively for anyone.

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