It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[TSOL]

[Big Blitz]

29 minutes ago, ALF said:

Get vaccinated , my health insurance premiums are high now without more unnecessary covid hospitalizations to make it increase.

 

 

You sure about this?

 

BREAKING:

 

Founder of mRNA vaccines says "stop the vaccination program - the vaccinated are exacerbating mutations - and the vaccines could lead to more severe cases 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe someone can out science this guy.  Apologies if you're triggered by the fact that Bannon interviewed him.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

34 minutes ago, ALF said:

Get vaccinated , my health insurance premiums are high now without more unnecessary covid hospitalizations to make it increase.

Too much worrying about the you, not enough worrying about the us.

Edited July 28, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Big Blitz]

He says what they warned about last year is happening:

 

 

"Data from the study of SARS-CoV and other respiratory viruses suggest that anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies could exacerbate COVID-19 through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). Previous respiratory syncytial virus and dengue virus vaccine studies revealed human clinical safety risks related to ADE, resulting in failed vaccine trials."

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5

 

 

 

Appreciate anyone else that can explain this like we're 5.  

[BillStime]

Hysterical

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

15 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

He says what they warned about last year is happening:

 

 

"Data from the study of SARS-CoV and other respiratory viruses suggest that anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies could exacerbate COVID-19 through antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). Previous respiratory syncytial virus and dengue virus vaccine studies revealed human clinical safety risks related to ADE, resulting in failed vaccine trials."

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5

 

 

 

Appreciate anyone else that can explain this like we're 5.  

I get some of it and this might not be at the 5 level but of what I do comprehend the potential exists for the active agents in the vaccines to produce a condition that may over-stimulate the immune system in the event of some viral load which produces cytokine storm.  This condition causes inflammation in the respiratory system and other organs which can cause them to function poorly and potentially shut down eventually leading to death.  One treatment called Lenzulimab that's been submitted to the FDA for EUA showed statistically significant positive results in phase 3 clinical trials in suppressing cytokine storm for hospitalized patients.  Its been with the FDA for two months and a decision is expected shortly.  I'll defer to any virus experts here on anything I might have missed. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[All_Pro_Bills]

10 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Hysterical

 

 

 

Committed to the myth vaccine hesitancy is concentrated in Trump loving white supremist's and not prevalent among communities of color which distrust, for good reasons, government?

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Committed to the myth vaccine hesitancy is concentrated in Trump loving white supremist's and not prevalent among communities of color which distrust, for good reasons, government?

 

As of 6 a.m. EDT July 27, a total of 163,312,474 Americans had been fully vaccinated, or 49.2 percent of the country's population, according to the CDC's data.

 

1. Vermont
Number of people fully vaccinated: 420,346
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 67.36

 

2. Massachusetts
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,386,221
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 63.64

 

3. Maine
Number of people fully vaccinated: 850,647
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 63.28

 

4. Connecticut
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,245,059
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 62.97

 

5. Rhode Island
Number of people fully vaccinated: 647,300
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 61.1

 

6. Maryland
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,535,077
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.47

 

7. New Hampshire
Number of people fully vaccinated: 789,068
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.03

 

8. New Jersey
Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,133,658
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 57.8

 

9. Washington
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,363,088
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 57.3

 

10. New Mexico
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,189,697
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.74

 

11. New York State
Number of people fully vaccinated: 11,033,818
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.72

 

12. Oregon
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,350,859
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.74

 

13. District of Columbia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 384,596
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.49

 

14. Virginia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,626,792
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.21

 

15. Colorado
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,115,137
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.09

 

16. Minnesota
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,018,893
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.53

 

17. Hawaii
Number of people fully vaccinated: 754,967
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.32

 

18. California
Number of people fully vaccinated: 20,720,246
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 52.44

 

19. Delaware
Number of people fully vaccinated: 510,337
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 52.41

 

20. Pennsylvania
Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,645,348
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 51.91

 

21. Wisconsin
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,002,057
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 51.56

 

22. Iowa
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,559,883
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.44

 

23. Nebraska
Number of people fully vaccinated: 953,006
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.27

 

24. Michigan
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,858,654
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.65

 

25. Florida
Number of people fully vaccinated: 10,422,399
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.53

 

26. Illinois
Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,107,622
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.2

 

27. South Dakota
Number of people fully vaccinated: 413,425
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.73

 

28. Ohio
Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,404,967
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.24

 

29. Alaska
Number of people fully vaccinated: 331,567
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.32

 

30. Kentucky
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,022,775
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.28

 

31. Arizona
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,275,902
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.01

 

32. Kansas
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,309,691
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.96

 

33. Utah
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,423,509
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.4

 

34. Montana
Number of people fully vaccinated: 471,678
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.13

 

35. Nevada
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,356,716
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.05

 

36. Indiana
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,961,774
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.99

 

37. North Carolina
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,563,251
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.51

 

38. Texas
Number of people fully vaccinated: 12,609,049
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.49

 

39. Missouri
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,512,400
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.94

 

40. South Carolina
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,078,799
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.38

 

41. Oklahoma
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,582,479
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.99

 

42. North Dakota
Number of people fully vaccinated: 304,231
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.92

 

43. West Virginia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 698,205
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.96

 

44. Tennessee
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,654,498
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.87

 

45. Georgia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,039,150
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.04

 

46. Idaho
Number of people fully vaccinated: 664,880
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.21

 

47. Louisiana
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,703,117
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 36.64

 

48. Wyoming
Number of people fully vaccinated: 210,449
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 36.36

 

49. Arkansas
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,087,284
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 36.03

 

50. Mississippi
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,017,257
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 34.18

 

51. Alabama
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,672,423
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 34.11

[ALF]

50 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Too much worrying about the you, not enough worrying about the us.

 

How is telling everyone to get vaccinated not enough worrying about everyone ?

[ALF]

% of US black  13.4,  % of US hispanic  18 %  = 31.4%.   How many are vaccinated  

 

Keeping in mind those under age 12 not eligible 

 

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity   Published: Jul 21, 2021

 

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

 

😊😜

I think it was sarcasm but well played.

[Big Blitz]

49 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

As of 6 a.m. EDT July 27, a total of 163,312,474 Americans had been fully vaccinated, or 49.2 percent of the country's population, according to the CDC's data.

 

1. Vermont
Number of people fully vaccinated: 420,346
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 67.36

 

2. Massachusetts
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,386,221
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 63.64

 

3. Maine
Number of people fully vaccinated: 850,647
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 63.28

 

4. Connecticut
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,245,059
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 62.97

 

5. Rhode Island
Number of people fully vaccinated: 647,300
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 61.1

 

6. Maryland
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,535,077
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.47

 

7. New Hampshire
Number of people fully vaccinated: 789,068
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.03

 

8. New Jersey
Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,133,658
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 57.8

 

9. Washington
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,363,088
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 57.3

 

10. New Mexico
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,189,697
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.74

 

11. New York State
Number of people fully vaccinated: 11,033,818
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.72

 

12. Oregon
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,350,859
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.74

 

13. District of Columbia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 384,596
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.49

 

14. Virginia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,626,792
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.21

 

15. Colorado
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,115,137
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.09

 

16. Minnesota
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,018,893
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.53

 

17. Hawaii
Number of people fully vaccinated: 754,967
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.32

 

18. California
Number of people fully vaccinated: 20,720,246
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 52.44

 

19. Delaware
Number of people fully vaccinated: 510,337
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 52.41

 

20. Pennsylvania
Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,645,348
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 51.91

 

21. Wisconsin
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,002,057
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 51.56

 

22. Iowa
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,559,883
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.44

 

23. Nebraska
Number of people fully vaccinated: 953,006
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.27

 

24. Michigan
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,858,654
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.65

 

25. Florida
Number of people fully vaccinated: 10,422,399
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.53

 

26. Illinois
Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,107,622
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 48.2

 

27. South Dakota
Number of people fully vaccinated: 413,425
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.73

 

28. Ohio
Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,404,967
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.24

 

29. Alaska
Number of people fully vaccinated: 331,567
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.32

 

30. Kentucky
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,022,775
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.28

 

31. Arizona
Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,275,902
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.01

 

32. Kansas
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,309,691
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.96

 

33. Utah
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,423,509
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.4

 

34. Montana
Number of people fully vaccinated: 471,678
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.13

 

35. Nevada
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,356,716
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.05

 

36. Indiana
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,961,774
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.99

 

37. North Carolina
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,563,251
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.51

 

38. Texas
Number of people fully vaccinated: 12,609,049
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 43.49

 

39. Missouri
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,512,400
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.94

 

40. South Carolina
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,078,799
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.38

 

41. Oklahoma
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,582,479
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.99

 

42. North Dakota
Number of people fully vaccinated: 304,231
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.92

 

43. West Virginia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 698,205
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.96

 

44. Tennessee
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,654,498
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.87

 

45. Georgia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,039,150
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.04

 

46. Idaho
Number of people fully vaccinated: 664,880
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.21

 

47. Louisiana
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,703,117
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 36.64

 

48. Wyoming
Number of people fully vaccinated: 210,449
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 36.36

 

49. Arkansas
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,087,284
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 36.03

 

50. Mississippi
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,017,257
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 34.18

 

51. Alabama
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,672,423
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 34.11

 

 

Hi there Bill.  Sorry.  But since you made this a nationwide pandemic way way way back in March of 2020 when it wasn't.....individual states don't matter.  This is the United States.  And I thought it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated up until yesterday but whatever.   

 

I know you don't want Biden to take responsibility but......he didn't get to his 70% by July 4.  Britain did.  The country of Brexit.  Trumpers you might say.  So epic fail.   Perhaps you and your clown show leaders you keep ignoring should rethink the messaging, metrics, and goals. 

 

 

 

 

As to the stupidity of that list:

 

Why isn't Georgia (Number 45) and Neveda (35) in blue?

 

State 21 is at 51%.  Wisconsin.  

 

State 35 is at 44%  Nevada 

 

So the drop off (LOL) between states 21 and 35 is a whopping whole 7%.  

 

States 51 to 41 (not including the blue state of Georgia for some reason again not shown as blue)..... there are as many people in those states total as there are in Texas. 

 

Spread out across 1/5 of the land of the continental United States.   Extremely rural.  Covid has been so horrifying in those states that only 35 to 40% have gotten the shot that doesn't work.  

 

 

But anyway back to states 21 thru 35.......please Bill......explain to us the significance and science of that drop off between states 21 and 35 (that's 15 states) and why that 7% difference between them is significant?  

 

 

I don't really need you to because you can't.  What should they all be at and why?  And then what happens when they reach those numbers?  Cite please.  

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

 

How is telling everyone to get vaccinated not enough worrying about everyone ?

You seemed hyper fixated on your insurance costs.  Together Everyone Achieves More! 
 

 

[reddogblitz]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Spread out across 1/5 of the land of the continental United States.   Extremely rural.  Covid has been so horrifying in those states that only 35 to 40% have gotten the shot that doesn't work.  

 

Come on, man.

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Hi there Bill.  Sorry.  But since you made this a nationwide pandemic way way way back in March of 2020 when it wasn't.....individual states don't matter.  This is the United States.  And I thought it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated up until yesterday but whatever.   

 

I know you don't want Biden to take responsibility but......he didn't get to his 70% by July 4.  Britain did.  The country of Brexit.  Trumpers you might say.  So epic fail.   Perhaps you and your clown show leaders you keep ignoring should rethink the messaging, metrics, and goals. 

 

 

 

 

As to the stupidity of that list:

 

Why isn't Georgia (Number 45) and Neveda (35) in blue?

 

State 21 is at 51%.  Wisconsin.  

 

State 35 is at 44%  Nevada 

 

So the drop off (LOL) between states 21 and 35 is a whopping whole 7%.  

 

States 51 to 41 (not including the blue state of Georgia for some reason again not shown as blue)..... there are as many people in those states total as there are in Texas. 

 

Spread out across 1/5 of the land of the continental United States.   Extremely rural.  Covid has been so horrifying in those states that only 35 to 40% have gotten the shot that doesn't work.  

 

 

But anyway back to states 21 thru 35.......please Bill......explain to us the significance and science of that drop off between states 21 and 35 (that's 15 states) and why that 7% difference between them is significant?  

 

 

I don't really need you to because you can't.  What should they all be at and why?  And then what happens when they reach those numbers?  Cite please.  

 

 

Red States are to blame for rising infections and restrictions. 
 

Get vaccinated.

[The Frankish Reich]

On 7/27/2021 at 9:10 AM, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

I did because I'm 42, will take the long term gamble, and knew where this was headed anyway.  Trump also told me to get it so I listened.   

 

 

As for teens, kids under 12.......the people imposing it on them are a disgrace.  And even worse still making them mask up.  

 

Saw a family out yesterday at the mall here.  Literally no one in masks (ok maybe 5% of the guests) and I see these parents and their 2 kids probably around 4 and 6 years old.  F....ing embarrassing and I feel so bad for their kids.  Not sure I blame the parents if they think the masks protect them (they've been fed such fake news) but I will if they simply are going to use their kids to virtue signal.    

 

Or maybe one of the kids, or one of the parents, or a grandfather who lives with them just got a transplant and is on immune suppressive drugs.

But one thing about a know it all: they always know it all.

[Big Blitz]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The NEA runs the country.  

 

Masks on for summer. 

 

Masks back on for school.  

 

 

We could have been in the buildings in masks all of 2020 per their logic.  

 

Eventually they'll figure that out and if you're in a deep blue dumpster fire do not be surprised when you start seeing at least calls to be virtual.  

[ALF]

43 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You seemed hyper fixated on your insurance costs.  Together Everyone Achieves More! 
 

 

 

I could give a damn about my insurance costs , I care about unvaccinated people suffering in the hospital and dying. What are you fixated on?

[Big Blitz]

43 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Come on, man.

 

 

Breakthrough COVID infections after vaccination can lead to long-haul symptoms, Israeli study shows

 

 

Nearly 3% of medical workers in a new Israeli study contracted COVID-19 even though they were vaccinated, and 19% of them still had symptoms six weeks later.

 

Although the vaccines were never expected to be perfect, the findings raise questions about their protection and suggest that even vaccinated people could experience long-term symptoms such as such as fatigue, brain fog and shortness of breath.

 

Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, said he finds it concerning – though not conclusive – that people had lingering symptoms weeks after getting sick.

 

"There really may be a risk here, but we don't know how big a risk and how much of a problem it is," he said.

 

Most of the people in the study who got sick had mild symptoms, and none were hospitalized.

 

But Jha said he is troubled by the fact that young, healthy people would get so-called breakthrough infections within a few months of vaccination. Scientists expected protection to wane over time, and they expected the vaccines to be less effective among older people and those with pre-existing health conditions. But that's not who got sick in this study.....

 

Coronavirus vaccines were never designed to perfectly protect people against all infections, noted Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist who founded and directs the Scripps Research Translational Institute in California. 

 

He said current vaccines are great at preventing serious infection deep in the lungs, but not at blocking infection in the upper airways. What's needed, he said, is a nasal-spray vaccine that would stop the coronavirus from taking hold at all....

 

"Don't take the delta stress test. Keep a mask on," he said. "With the vaccine, you can be confident, but you can't be 100% confident."

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/07/28/breakthrough-covid-19-infections-can-lead-long-term-symptoms-study/5399083001/

 

 

Take from this what you will. 

 

One week ago I was told this:

 

 

 

None of it matters when you move the goal posts 500000000000 times and set no metrics.  

 

People are done.  Kids are at risk of having their entire high school lives ruined with what we're doing.   

 

 

What is the end game?  There clearly isn't one.  

 

That's THE PROBLEM.  We aren't governed by the CDC and "science!" that's been politicized.

 

None of what we're doing based on THEIR METRICS (that change monthly) should tell you this is over when _____

 

If you can't do that, you're lying and don't deserve our compliance. 

Edited July 29, 2021 by Big Blitz

[ALF]

So is Israel recommending a tweaked booster shot ?

[Big Blitz]

21 minutes ago, ALF said:

So is Israel recommending a tweaked booster shot ?

 

 

Pfizer is calling for boosters already.  

 

Isreal thinks they are necessary.

 

 

 

Then what?  That immunity won't last.  Covid will.  Forever.  

 

These metrics and common sense say masks forever.  Masks mean no normal school for years.  A travesty.  

 

People need to stop watching the news and start analyzing the news.  

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

You sure about this?

 

BREAKING:

 

Founder of mRNA vaccines says "stop the vaccination program - the vaccinated are exacerbating mutations - and the vaccines could lead to more severe cases 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe someone can out science this guy.  Apologies if you're triggered by the fact that Bannon interviewed him.  

Or we could just go with the numbers on the ground.  Enough of this anti-vax grifter nonsense.

 

 

[ALF]

I'm ok with a booster, hit me

 

 

[Big Blitz]

18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Or we could just go with the numbers on the ground.  Enough of this anti-vax grifter nonsense.

 

 

 

 

Wrong.  

 

A very good thread on "how this plays out" it was retweeted by Nate Silver:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's over.  There is nothing we can do TEAM ERADICATION.  

 

Every mitigation policy is worthless.  

 

We're all going to get Covid either as a cold (extremely likely if vaccinated) or as severe illness (if not, but vaccinated can as well).

 

 

 

 

Years.  Let's not make every one lose their minds over the next 5 plus years of this by playing politics. 

 

Time to move on.  

 

 

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Wrong.  

 

A very good thread on "how this plays out" it was retweeted by Nate Silver:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's over.  There is nothing we can do TEAM ERADICATION.  

 

Every mitigation policy is worthless.  

 

We're all going to get Covid either as a cold (extremely likely if vaccinated) or as severe illness (if not, but vaccinated can as well).

 

 

 

 

Years.  Let's not make every one lose their minds over the next 5 plus years of this by playing politics. 

 

Time to move on.  

 

 

 

I agree with all of this.  What does this have to do with the anti-vax bs you've been posting?  There's a fricken reason case numbers are way up and hospitalizations/deaths aren't.  VACCINES

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I agree with all of this.  What does this have to do with the anti-vax bs you've been posting?  There's a fricken reason case numbers are way up and hospitalizations/deaths aren't.  VACCINES

 

 

This is why - I'm not anti vaxx I'm anti vaxx/mitigation without justification, metrics, and exit strategy that ends in

 

"BACK TO NORMAL BUT KEEP IN MIND THERE IS A VIRUS OUT THERE YOU CAN GET SERIOUSLY ILL FROM IF NOT VACCINATED OR YOU HAVE NATURAL IMMUNITY.  It is up to you, peace out":

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Right and you just happened to edit your previous post by deleting the anti mRNA vaccine doctor (Robert Malone) interview Steve Bannon conducted after I called you out.  

 

 

I didn't delete or edit anything.  

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

You sure about this?

 

BREAKING:

 

Founder of mRNA vaccines says "stop the vaccination program - the vaccinated are exacerbating mutations - and the vaccines could lead to more severe cases 

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe someone can out science this guy.  Apologies if you're triggered by the fact that Bannon interviewed him.  

 

31 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

This is why - I'm not anti vaxx I'm anti vaxx/mitigation without justification, metrics, and exit strategy that ends in

 

"BACK TO NORMAL BUT KEEP IN MIND THERE IS A VIRUS OUT THERE YOU CAN GET SERIOUSLY ILL FROM IF NOT VACCINATED OR YOU HAVE NATURAL IMMUNITY.  It is up to you, peace out":

 

 

 

Your right and I deleted the post.

 

Still though.  How are these two things consistent with each other?

 

 

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

 

Your right and I deleted the post.

 

Still though.  How are these two things consistent with each other?

 

 

 

 

This is the internet.  We are exchanging ideas.  

 

I found an interview with the founder of mRNA tech and thought it was in the public's interest.  

[Doc Brown]

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

This is the internet.  We are exchanging ideas.  

 

I found an interview with the founder of mRNA tech and thought it was in the public's interest.  

You stated above he was the inventor of the mRNA vaccines.

[Big Blitz]

15 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

You stated above he was the inventor of the mRNA vaccines.

 

 

It's what I initially found in my quick background check of him after the interview (I try).

 

I dug deeper:

 

According to the New York Times, "For her entire career, Dr. Kariko has focused on messenger RNA, or mRNA — the genetic script that carries DNA instructions to each cell’s protein-making machinery. She was convinced mRNA could be used to instruct cells to make their own medicines, including vaccines." While Malone's research may have been important, scientific breakthroughs don't always boast a sole "inventor." Instead, they come about through the work of many. UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents – none of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines.

 

https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eef

 

 

 

Enough for me to be good with him knowing what he's talking about.  

[Big Blitz]

Initial find:

 

 

The man who invented the mRNA technology used in some coronavirus vaccines says he was censored by YouTube for sharing his concerns on the vaccines in a podcast.

 

"[O]ne of my concerns are that the

government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are. And so, I'm of the opinion that people have the right to decide whether to accept a vaccine or not, especially since these are experimental vaccines," said Dr. Robert Malone during a Wednesday segment on Fox News's Tucker Carlson Tonight, saying YouTube deleted a video of him speaking about the associated risks.

 

Opening the segment, Carlson shared some studies showing heart inflammation and death correlating with the use of the vaccines.

 

"A Norwegian study conducted of 100 nursing home residents who died after receiving Pfizer's corona shots. They found that at least 10 of those deaths were likely caused by the vaccine. 10%," Carlson said.

 

That's one of my other objections, is that we toss about these words, risk-benefit analysis, casually as if it's a very deep science. It's not. Normally, at this stage, the CDC [Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices] would have performed those risk-benefit analyses. They would be data-based and science-based. They're not right now," Malone said.

 

Malone also said he has "a bias that the benefits probably don't outweigh the risks" for younger people who are being encouraged or required to take the vaccine.

 

"I can say that the risk-benefit ratio for those 18 and below doesn't justify vaccines, and there's a pretty good chance that it doesn't justify vaccination in these very young adults," he added.

 

Malone discovered in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection when he was at the Salk Institute in 1988, and he subsequently invented mRNA vaccines, which are being used over 20 years later to combat the spread of the coronavirus.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-qualified-mrna-expert-173600060.html

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Initial find:

 

 

The man who invented the mRNA technology used in some coronavirus vaccines says he was censored by YouTube for sharing his concerns on the vaccines in a podcast.

 

"[O]ne of my concerns are that the

government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are. And so, I'm of the opinion that people have the right to decide whether to accept a vaccine or not, especially since these are experimental vaccines," said Dr. Robert Malone during a Wednesday segment on Fox News's Tucker Carlson Tonight, saying YouTube deleted a video of him speaking about the associated risks.

 

Opening the segment, Carlson shared some studies showing heart inflammation and death correlating with the use of the vaccines.

 

"A Norwegian study conducted of 100 nursing home residents who died after receiving Pfizer's corona shots. They found that at least 10 of those deaths were likely caused by the vaccine. 10%," Carlson said.

 

That's one of my other objections, is that we toss about these words, risk-benefit analysis, casually as if it's a very deep science. It's not. Normally, at this stage, the CDC [Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices] would have performed those risk-benefit analyses. They would be data-based and science-based. They're not right now," Malone said.

 

Malone also said he has "a bias that the benefits probably don't outweigh the risks" for younger people who are being encouraged or required to take the vaccine.

 

"I can say that the risk-benefit ratio for those 18 and below doesn't justify vaccines, and there's a pretty good chance that it doesn't justify vaccination in these very young adults," he added.

 

Malone discovered in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection when he was at the Salk Institute in 1988, and he subsequently invented mRNA vaccines, which are being used over 20 years later to combat the spread of the coronavirus.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/single-most-qualified-mrna-expert-173600060.html

"The government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are."  And there it is, plain and simple. 

 

The problem here isn't that uninformed people are hesitant to get vaccinated, or that others are spreading mis-information, or that some political or moral beliefs are  getting in the way of ensuring society is "safe" from the virus.  The problem is a large percentage of the population has concluded the government and many public officials cannot be trusted to be honest and tell the truth.  Even people choosing to get vaccinated share this distrust.  The message and messenger lack credibility.  They look around at all the hustles and cons being perpetrated on them and see this as just one in that series.  

 

The same people that are looking to "force" you to get vaccinated won't enforce the law against shoplifters in San Francisco or stop scumbags on the streets of NYC from beating and robbing 75 year old grandmothers in broad daylight.   Obviously corrupt public officials are allowed to continue in the jobs.  Political and social protesters that are on the "right" side of issues are allowed to rampage through the streets of cities burning and looting and causing physical harm.  They let thousands of un-vaccinated virus carrying refugees into the country and are dispersing them throughout the country and become indignant when anyone questions this contradiction in policy where citizens are subjected to draconian measures while what some view as invaders can roam freely to spread the virus.

 

But these same characters that turn a blind eye to corruption and lawlessness elsewhere are more than happy to send storm troopers around neighborhoods to kick in doors to make sure everybody is wearing their masks watching TV together or that nobody assembles in groups of more than 4 people standing too close together. 

 

They work to silence informed and "expert" dissenters but impose unclear and constantly changing and sometimes irrational proclamations they claim "follow the science" but can't even clearly explain or articulate just what that science is saying. And when questioned their answer is "just obey us".   They parrot the safe and effective mantra about vaccines but impose public policy that suggests they don't work.  They look like liars, and they are liars.  If this was ancient Roman they would be crucified and displayed along road sides for the public to see the consequences these corrupt officials faced for their crimes.   Why should anyone trust them to tell you the truth about the vaccines when they lie about everything else?  

 

Some posters support mandates and cite past mandates such requiring polio vaccines for school children but in that era the government had legitimacy.  And the risks and dangers were clearly understood and communicated by trusted medical professionals and public health officials.  The vaccine was safe and effective and time has shown that to be true.  And while I wasn't around at the time I don't believe Jonas Salk became an overnight billionaire for developing the vaccine.  Contrast that to today.  Everybody everywhere is in on "the take".  Public official, private corporations.  And nobody was out there shutting down the entire US economy or suggesting you'll lose your job or livelihood if you refuse to comply.  

 

To get this done right we need a new group of public health officials and political leaders.  People that can be trusted.  And it ain't this current crew that's for sure.  

 

   

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, ALF said:

 

I could give a damn about my insurance costs , I care about unvaccinated people suffering in the hospital and dying. What are you fixated on?

I initially replied to this post you wrote a short time before this one:

 

   12 hours ago,  ALF said: 

Get vaccinated , my health insurance premiums are high now without more unnecessary covid hospitalizations to make it increase.

 

 

I don’t doubt you when you say you’re worried about unvaccinated people (Democrats, Republicans, White, Black, Latin, Native American etc) spreading the virus—-you’ve been clear on that, though perhaps a bit selective at times.  I simply pointed out that your concern over the cost of your health insurance shouldn’t be a factor here—we all should pitch in for the greater good.  Your share may be higher because you’re well off.  

[Westside]

9 hours ago, ALF said:

 

I could give a damn about my insurance costs , I care about unvaccinated people suffering in the hospital and dying. What are you fixated on?

Unless they’re Trumpers, then they could just die a slow painful death, right ALF?

[Sundancer]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

"The government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are."  And there it is, plain and simple. 

 

The problem here isn't that uninformed people are hesitant to get vaccinated, or that others are spreading mis-information, or that some political or moral beliefs are  getting in the way of ensuring society is "safe" from the virus.  The problem is a large percentage of the population has concluded the government and many public officials cannot be trusted to be honest and tell the truth.  Even people choosing to get vaccinated share this distrust.  The message and messenger lack credibility.  They look around at all the hustles and cons being perpetrated on them and see this as just one in that series.  

 

The same people that are looking to "force" you to get vaccinated won't enforce the law against shoplifters in San Francisco or stop scumbags on the streets of NYC from beating and robbing 75 year old grandmothers in broad daylight.   Obviously corrupt public officials are allowed to continue in the jobs.  Political and social protesters that are on the "right" side of issues are allowed to rampage through the streets of cities burning and looting and causing physical harm.  They let thousands of un-vaccinated virus carrying refugees into the country and are dispersing them throughout the country and become indignant when anyone questions this contradiction in policy where citizens are subjected to draconian measures while what some view as invaders can roam freely to spread the virus.

 

But these same characters that turn a blind eye to corruption and lawlessness elsewhere are more than happy to send storm troopers around neighborhoods to kick in doors to make sure everybody is wearing their masks watching TV together or that nobody assembles in groups of more than 4 people standing too close together. 

 

They work to silence informed and "expert" dissenters but impose unclear and constantly changing and sometimes irrational proclamations they claim "follow the science" but can't even clearly explain or articulate just what that science is saying. And when questioned their answer is "just obey us".   They parrot the safe and effective mantra about vaccines but impose public policy that suggests they don't work.  They look like liars, and they are liars.  If this was ancient Roman they would be crucified and displayed along road sides for the public to see the consequences these corrupt officials faced for their crimes.   Why should anyone trust them to tell you the truth about the vaccines when they lie about everything else?  

 

Some posters support mandates and cite past mandates such requiring polio vaccines for school children but in that era the government had legitimacy.  And the risks and dangers were clearly understood and communicated by trusted medical professionals and public health officials.  The vaccine was safe and effective and time has shown that to be true.  And while I wasn't around at the time I don't believe Jonas Salk became an overnight billionaire for developing the vaccine.  Contrast that to today.  Everybody everywhere is in on "the take".  Public official, private corporations.  And nobody was out there shutting down the entire US economy or suggesting you'll lose your job or livelihood if you refuse to comply.  

 

To get this done right we need a new group of public health officials and political leaders.  People that can be trusted.  And it ain't this current crew that's for sure.  

 

   

 

The "problem" is that this is a new virus. It is not fully predictable, and thus our scientists are doing what scientists can only do: Their best. 

[Sundancer]

 

Florida and Texas are now 33% of the daily US death toll. That's a wild number. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

 

The "problem" is that this is a new virus. It is not fully predictable, and thus our scientists are doing what scientists can only do: Their best. 

The outbreak is predictable.  Its following the same pattern previous viral outbreak have followed.  Waves, mutations, everything.  I've seen recent proprietary forecast models that suggest the delta outbreak cycle will be much shorter and lower in cases and a lot lower in deaths than previous cycles.       

 

And if scientist were actually in charge of this response I might agree with you.  And if leadership was following the advice of experts across the scientific community I would agree with you.  But they are not.  They are accepting the views of those that agree with them and rejecting the views of those that disagree.  Supported by science or not.  That's not our best.  All while sending mixed and confusing directives out to the public.

 

 

[Sundancer]

23 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

The outbreak is predictable.  Its following the same pattern previous viral outbreak have followed.  Waves, mutations, everything.

 

 

Dude, you can't be serious. There's no predictable playbook for this virus. You can't predict mutations. We could not have predicted mRNA vaccines being so effective. We didn't know there'd be nervous system involvement in the virus. We didn't know the age-specific thing. And we certainly could not predict the waves happening like this. 

 

In the broadest strokes, we could predict some things but not in a specific way. And thus the changing forecasts. Scientists are doing their best. 

 

23 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

  I've seen recent proprietary forecast models that suggest the delta outbreak cycle will be much shorter and lower in cases and a lot lower in deaths than previous cycles.       

 

They may be right. They may be wrong. But until it worked its way through India/UK/Israel, we had no idea. Now we have data, so now we can make some forecasts. (Note that those countries had much less/higher/much higher rates of vaccination than the US respectively. 

 

23 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 

And if scientist were actually in charge of this response I might agree with you.  And if leadership was following the advice of experts across the scientific community I would agree with you.  But they are not.  They are accepting the views of those that agree with them and rejecting the views of those that disagree.  Supported by science or not.  That's not our best.  All while sending mixed and confusing directives out to the public.

 

 

 

Scientists don't all agree on the policy response. Again, how is this something to be surprised about? 

[All_Pro_Bills]

21 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Dude, you can't be serious. There's no predictable playbook for this virus. You can't predict mutations. We could not have predicted mRNA vaccines being so effective. We didn't know there'd be nervous system involvement in the virus. We didn't know the age-specific thing. And we certainly could not predict the waves happening like this. 

 

In the broadest strokes, we could predict some things but not in a specific way. And thus the changing forecasts. Scientists are doing their best. 

 

 

They may be right. They may be wrong. But until it worked its way through India/UK/Israel, we had no idea. Now we have data, so now we can make some forecasts. (Note that those countries had much less/higher/much higher rates of vaccination than the US respectively. 

 

 

Scientists don't all agree on the policy response. Again, how is this something to be surprised about? 

Viruses mutate.  Can we predict the specific mutations?  No.  I'm not saying that.  But as a general rule the become more contagious but less lethal.  And there are other variants already out there besides the Delta. 

 

And yes scientists don't all agree but the ones that don't agree with the official narrative get silenced, blocked from social media, have their you tube videos taken down, get criticized by media shills.  Don't get to speak their peace.  Which causes others to not speak out of fear.  Which suppresses the process of scientific discovery we all depend on. 

 

And the CDC and NIH story keeps changing about the vaccine.  First the story is COVID vaccines are safe and effective and provide immunity to the virus.  So get your shot, take your mask off, and resume normal life. 

Now the story is vaccines will not keep you from getting infected but will protect you from serious and critical illness so even vaccinated people need to wear a mask again.  The problem is that characterization doesn't meet the standards for classifying the active agent as a vaccine.  That description applies to treatments.  Equivalent to Tami-flu for influenza.  So I guess its not really a vaccine. 

But we already have safe and effective treatments, approved and awaiting approval, for people that are at low risk of getting a serious and critical case.  All without the unknown risks of adverse long term impacts of the mRNA gene therapy "vaccines".  MABS from companies like Lily and Regeneron.  Others awaiting approval from companies like Humanigen.  And we know who is at "high risk" of developing a serious and critical case so we can customize responses and protections for those specific individuals.  And there are effective treatments for these cases too, approved and awaiting approval.  And we know children under 18 have as close to zero chance of death as can be measured.  So we need some sort of policy "time out" or a big reset here.  Because they're headed down the blanket lock down and restrictions path again. 

That didn't stop it before and it won't stop it now.  So the choice is the virus is going to spread and you can screw up the economy.  Or the virus is going to spread and you do not screw up the economy.