Big Blitz Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said: Any proof on your claim for visitors in summer in CA? just looking at peak COVID times: “California’s visitor numbers dropped by about 50% to 140.6 million in 2020, according to Visit California.” “Despite the pandemic, Florida drew about 80 million visitors in 2020, a 40% decline from the previous year, according to Visit Florida. ” https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2021-07-15/tourism-vacation-florida-california-covid-coronavirus Assuming an event distribution of visitors in CA that would give them around 35 million in summer. In 2021. Not summer 2020 Summer 2021 No one is lining up to go to this dump (CA): (This is supposedly journalism but yes it was absolutely written by someone cheering for vaccine mandates) The continued spread of the Delta variant has managed to erase months of progress by causing COVID-19 to surge again—especially among the unvaccinated. Of course, large gatherings make transmission even more likely, which is why some public health departments have enacted regulations that limit the size of crowds or require that anyone in attendance has received their shots. The latest example of this is in Los Angeles, where unvaccinated people will be banned from visiting popular amusement parks, including Six Flags Magic Mountain and Universal Studios Hollywood, when new regulations go into effect early next month. https://bestlifeonline.com/news-los-angeles-theme-parks-unvaccinated/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: In 2021. Not summer 2020 Summer 2021 No one is lining up to go to this dump (CA): (This is supposedly journalism but yes it was absolutely written by someone cheering for vaccine mandates) The continued spread of the Delta variant has managed to erase months of progress by causing COVID-19 to surge again—especially among the unvaccinated. Of course, large gatherings make transmission even more likely, which is why some public health departments have enacted regulations that limit the size of crowds or require that anyone in attendance has received their shots. The latest example of this is in Los Angeles, where unvaccinated people will be banned from visiting popular amusement parks, including Six Flags Magic Mountain and Universal Studios Hollywood, when new regulations go into effect early next month. https://bestlifeonline.com/news-los-angeles-theme-parks-unvaccinated/ So you don’t have CA tourism stats from this summer so you have no idea if it’s 30 million or not and you’re just making stuff up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 23 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: So you don’t have CA tourism stats from this summer so you have no idea if it’s 30 million or not and you’re just making stuff up? I have only heard Florida’s number of out of state visitors this summer not California. Between the fires, lockdowns, protocols, and human feces in the streets, there is no way people were visiting from out of State in any way close to 2019 - the only Google search you get about travel and visits to California is......why you really shouldn't visit California. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I have only heard Florida’s number of out of state visitors this summer not California. Between the fires, lockdowns, protocols, and human feces in the streets, there is no way people were visiting from out of State in any way close to 2019 - the only Google search you get about travel and visits to California is......why you really shouldn't visit California. So the answer is you don’t know. We know 2020 when COVID was peak, CA was higher than FL. That was even with the more stringent shut downs than we saw in 2021. Not just higher but 60.6 million people higher overall in 2020.l all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Backintheday544 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Like Trump DeSantis bouncing checks: https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/09/24/teacher-bonus-checks-are-bouncing-in-florida/ When dozens of Florida teachers tried to cash their state-issued $1,000 bonus checks this week, they got a startling response: “insufficient funds.” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Trump Support Drops 20 Points as Ron DeSantis Surges to Tie in New 2024 Poll Republican support for former President Donald Trump has quickly declined, leaving him in a virtual tie with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, according to a new poll of 2024 GOP presidential candidates. The poll was released Wednesday and conducted by GOP pollster Carter Wrenn on behalf of the super PAC of Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton. It found that while Trump still had the support of 26.2 percent of Republican voters, DeSantis was close behind at 25.2 percent. Support for Trump plummeted since a survey in July when he was the top choice for 46 percent of Republicans. Meanwhile, support for DeSantis nearly doubled from 13 percent in July. https://www.newsweek.com/trump-support-drops-20-points-ron-desantis-surges-tie-new-2024-poll-1634082 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Lol. He’s busy tacking the issues of our time. The impotent Governor is having trouble staying in the headlines. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ron-desantis-says-hes-too-busy-fighting-critical-race-theory-to-run-for-president Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 No matter. The Dems have no chance in 2022 and 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillStime Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Oh Florida... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 On 10/8/2021 at 12:16 PM, BillStime said: Oh Florida... Now do Biden's "death toll" vs Trump's. Thanks. Third most populous state probably will be in the top 5 in total deaths. ---Data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Now do Biden's "death toll" vs Trump's. Thanks. Third most populous state probably will be in the top 5 in total deaths. ---Data. Facts really tell it all, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BillStime said: Facts really tell it all, eh? No sorry... Not when you get past the deliberate "trick" played on you with the y axis number......which can make the charts seem super scary when they're not. Florida’s y axis goes to 400. New York all the way to 1200! Wow! What the hell were they doing in NYC letting all that virus spread for so long! Edited October 9, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: No sorry... Not when you get past the deliberate "trick" played on you with the y axis number......which can make the charts seem super scary when they're not. Florida’s y axis goes to 400. New York all the way to 1200! Wow! What the hell were they doing in NYC letting all that virus spread for so long! Oh it most certainly does tell a fascinating story that states that encourage vaccinations and masks are doing WAY better than red states. You have no facts to support whatever BS you are parroting. GQP = Party of Death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Oh it most certainly does tell a fascinating story that states that encourage vaccinations and masks are doing WAY better than red states. You have no facts to support whatever BS you are parroting. GQP = Party of Death I don’t think anyone is debating the efficacy of the vaccine, or whether we should have access to them...the debate is around whether people should have a choice or not whether to take it... So the premise of your argument is misplaced imo..it’s not about Republican controlled states having big waves of covid because Republicans are denying access to the vaccine...people in those states are simply choosing not to take them as much as left leaning states... But threatening people is not exactly what I would call encouragement... it’s called threatening people... Edited October 9, 2021 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, BillStime said: Oh it most certainly does tell a fascinating story that states that encourage vaccinations and masks are doing WAY better than red states. You have no facts to support whatever BS you are parroting. GQP = Party of Death Hmmm.......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 59 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I don’t think anyone is debating the efficacy of the vaccine, or whether we should have access to them...the debate is around whether people should have a choice or not whether to take it... So the premise of your argument is misplaced imo..it’s not about Republican controlled states having big waves of covid because Republicans are denying access to the vaccine...people in those states are simply choosing not to take them as much as left leaning states... But threatening people is not exactly what I would call encouragement... it’s called threatening people... And why are people choosing not to get the vaccine? Where are they getting their information if it’s not from a doctor? Why is this pandemic so political and who made it this way? Whats the end game? Needless death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Hmmm.......... Your highlighting Cali’s peak just as the vaccine was being rolled out? That makes no sense and you’re clearly overlooking my point (on purpose cause it kills your argument) - death (unfortunately and needlessly) in red states trend like a hockey stick. Congratulations on all your efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, BillStime said: Whats the end game? Needless death? Is this serious? We've been asking this question for 2 years. You and your hacks have no answer. Thus the conclusion is you and the people you voted for are using it for political purposes. And power. Been lying since day 1: July: CDC chief clarifies vaccine comments: 'There will be no nationwide mandate' https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/565738-walensky-suggests-administration-looking-into-vaccine-mandate Today: Vaccination mandate rules coming ‘shortly,’ Biden says https://www.restaurantbusinessonline.com/amp/workforce/vaccination-mandate-rules-coming-shortly-biden-says Anything else everyone want to cave to? What else you ready for them to do next before the camps open for "the unvaccinated" or the next variants? Morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 24 minutes ago, BillStime said: And why are people choosing not to get the vaccine? Where are they getting their information if it’s not from a doctor? Why is this pandemic so political and who made it this way? Whats the end game? Needless death? Well, there are a number of different reasons why some people don’t want to take the vaccine...Personally, at first I wanted to see how it affected everyone...but then I got covid, and now I don’t feel like I need to get the vaccine... Well, I don’t know where other people are getting their info...but as for me, I watch a variety of informational sources, that cover liberal, conservative, libertarian and progressive points of view on national and global issues... And a lot of times I get lots of info and reports that the CDC, FDA, and certain doctors don’t have the incentive to talk about... I feel I get a good balance of info that has led me to feel that while the vaccine does some good things, it might not be for everyone...and that’s ok imo... The pandemic is so political likely due to the polarizing times we are living in...Politicians, including Fauci, are not being 100% honest with the American people, and it’s causing people to question their motives imo...I definitely feel this way and I know plenty of others who feel the same... People also feel politicians are using this crisis to try and cram down other agendas...I’m sure a lot of people remember the infamous Hilary Clinton quote “Never let a good crisis go to waste”....This makes a lot of people very skeptical of big government intervention and overreach.... As far as the end game, there are too many variables to tell exactly...we could end up in a totalitarian police state like China or Australia...Or, like the Scandinavian countries we can mitigate as much as possible, realize that we’ve got to learn to live with the virus, and just freely live our lives as much as possible...👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 22 minutes ago, BillStime said: Your highlighting Cali’s peak just as the vaccine was being rolled out? That makes no sense and you’re clearly overlooking my point (on purpose cause it kills your argument) - death (unfortunately and needlessly) in red states trend like a hockey stick. Congratulations on all your efforts. Didn't happen in January in Florida, who also best to my knowledge, didn't have the vaccine. Florida’s only peak on par with California in January was this September.....which coincidently, was when 30 million plus people escaping their locked down East Berlins visited the state. The virus is doing the same thing everywhere regardless of the State mandates. The only thing that won't kill you is stay home and avoid people. I'm willing to bet that those people are far more prevalent in areas on a political map that gets a deeper color blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 51 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Didn't happen in January in Florida, who also best to my knowledge, didn't have the vaccine. Florida’s only peak on par with California in January was this September.....which coincidently, was when 30 million plus people escaping their locked down East Berlins visited the state. The virus is doing the same thing everywhere regardless of the State mandates. The only thing that won't kill you is stay home and avoid people. I'm willing to bet that those people are far more prevalent in areas on a political map that gets a deeper color blue. You don’t even realize you’re making the case for the vaccine and masks… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Well, there are a number of different reasons why some people don’t want to take the vaccine...Personally, at first I wanted to see how it affected everyone...but then I got covid, and now I don’t feel like I need to get the vaccine... Well, I don’t know where other people are getting their info...but as for me, I watch a variety of informational sources, that cover liberal, conservative, libertarian and progressive points of view on national and global issues... And a lot of times I get lots of info and reports that the CDC, FDA, and certain doctors don’t have the incentive to talk about... I feel I get a good balance of info that has led me to feel that while the vaccine does some good things, it might not be for everyone...and that’s ok imo... The pandemic is so political likely due to the polarizing times we are living in...Politicians, including Fauci, are not being 100% honest with the American people, and it’s causing people to question their motives imo...I definitely feel this way and I know plenty of others who feel the same... People also feel politicians are using this crisis to try and cram down other agendas...I’m sure a lot of people remember the infamous Hilary Clinton quote “Never let a good crisis go to waste”....This makes a lot of people very skeptical of big government intervention and overreach.... As far as the end game, there are too many variables to tell exactly...we could end up in a totalitarian police state like China or Australia...Or, like the Scandinavian countries we can mitigate as much as possible, realize that we’ve got to learn to live with the virus, and just freely live our lives as much as possible...👍 Everyone indeed has a choice - but don’t be surprised or upset when more businesses and retailers start imposing vaccination mandates to be employed and/or patronize there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 https://www.wtxl.com/news/local-news/ag-commissioner-nikki-fried-releases-school-covid-19-data This is what it will take to defeat DeSantis, completely cherry picking data with no reference to overall trend. Nikki used only half of the counties and then only the pieces that could be manipulated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 17 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: https://www.wtxl.com/news/local-news/ag-commissioner-nikki-fried-releases-school-covid-19-data This is what it will take to defeat DeSantis, completely cherry picking data with no reference to overall trend. Nikki used only half of the counties and then only the pieces that could be manipulated. You are doing the same exact thing - cherry picking to make a half asssssed argument. Funny you never mentioned this: According to Fried’s office, the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services requested COVID-19 data from the Florida of Public Health that was never received. Why was the request ignored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 Covid Plummets in Florida: Florida’s per capita Covid rate is now second-lowest in the U.S. https://www.city-journal.org/florida-covid-cases-plummet DeSantis Shuts Up the COVID Panic Pimps Yet AGAIN. https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2021/10/19/desantis-shuts-up-the-covid-panic-pimps-yet-again-n1525194 DeSantis to the Rescue: ‘Florida’s Ports Are Open’ and Will Ease Supply Chain Crisis. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2021/10/20/desantis-to-the-rescue-floridas-ports-are-open-and-will-ease-supply-chain-crisis-n1525326 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 On 10/10/2021 at 4:49 PM, BillStime said: You are doing the same exact thing - cherry picking to make a half asssssed argument. Funny you never mentioned this: According to Fried’s office, the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services requested COVID-19 data from the Florida of Public Health that was never received. Why was the request ignored? Why was she requesting a report that is unrelated to her post? The information has been public for two weeks but nothing more has been said, makes it seem she is exactly what I accused her of being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 53 minutes ago, B-Man said: Covid Plummets in Florida: Florida’s per capita Covid rate is now second-lowest in the U.S. https://www.city-journal.org/florida-covid-cases-plummet DeSantis Shuts Up the COVID Panic Pimps Yet AGAIN. https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2021/10/19/desantis-shuts-up-the-covid-panic-pimps-yet-again-n1525194 DeSantis to the Rescue: ‘Florida’s Ports Are Open’ and Will Ease Supply Chain Crisis. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2021/10/20/desantis-to-the-rescue-floridas-ports-are-open-and-will-ease-supply-chain-crisis-n1525326 Matt Leinart. My man.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 8:31 PM, B-Man said: Covid Plummets in Florida: Florida’s per capita Covid rate is now second-lowest in the U.S. https://www.city-journal.org/florida-covid-cases-plummet DeSantis Shuts Up the COVID Panic Pimps Yet AGAIN. https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2021/10/19/desantis-shuts-up-the-covid-panic-pimps-yet-again-n1525194 DeSantis to the Rescue: ‘Florida’s Ports Are Open’ and Will Ease Supply Chain Crisis. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2021/10/20/desantis-to-the-rescue-floridas-ports-are-open-and-will-ease-supply-chain-crisis-n1525326 If I was guaranteed he would be remain governor for the next 25 years, I would move to Florida, and say “F the rest of the country...” It takes an incredibly honorable person to have power, but not be authoritarian- and still try to fight for the freedoms of the people you rule over...Sign of a great leader...👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha "Freedom of speech implications!" Sorry bros.............F your freedoms. From the people making you mask and giving you only 60 seconds to talk at school board meetings - they used the word chilling lol - it isn't, but even if this actually was a threat to those poor professors making their kids mask everyday - sorry...........F your freedoms you don't care about at all. In ‘chilling’ decision, UF professors have been barred from testifying against Florida In a decision that could have far-reaching free speech implications for faculty at universities and colleges across Florida, the University of Florida has refused to allow three political science professors to continue to serve as expert witnesses in a case that challenges a new state law that restricts voting access. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article255409716.html And the pic the hit piece I mean article uses of President DeSantis -- hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/11/04/no-million-dollar-checks-democratic-governors-may-sit-out-florida-1392319 Basically DeSantis is so guaranteed to be the winner next year the Dems are not even gonna put any resources into the fight. No money to his opposition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 On 10/20/2021 at 7:25 PM, Big Blitz said: Matt Leinart. My man.. There is a benefit: It keeps the Karens from yelling at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 6:34 AM, JaCrispy said: If I was guaranteed he would be remain governor for the next 25 years, I would move to Florida, and say “F the rest of the country...” It takes an incredibly honorable person to have power, but not be authoritarian- and still try to fight for the freedoms of the people you rule over...Sign of a great leader...👍 He’s directly responsible for the most American deaths since a vaccine became available. Thats really bad. How do you miss that layup when there’s a vaccine? He misplayed that terribly and now he’s just yelling at clouds to stay relevant, which BTW isn’t working so well. Whats his new scam again? He’s going to assemble a task force to battle election fraud? LMAO. Talk about desperation. Jeez. That’s really pathetic. Even Trump laughed at that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Governor said: He’s directly responsible for the most American deaths since a vaccine became available. Thats really bad. How do you miss that layup when there’s a vaccine? He misplayed that terribly and now he’s just yelling at clouds to stay relevant, which BTW isn’t working so well. Whats his new scam again? He’s going to assemble a task force to battle election fraud? LMAO. Talk about desperation. Jeez. That’s really pathetic. Even Trump laughed at that one. As for covid deaths, the vaccine has been available to everyone that wants it...but it’s not his job to force feed it to everyone...so if people are dying, that is on them, not DeSantis or Biden...people need to take responsibility for their own lives and stop blaming everyone else...the vaccinated do not protect other people by taking the vaccine...they only help themselves... Furthermore, I don’t feel he misplayed it at all...I like how he balanced giving info and protection (monoclonal antibodies) and allowing people to maintain their civil liberties... And as a result, Florida now has one of the lowest case and death rates in the country- without mandating a thing and keeping life going as usual...It truly is inspirational to freedom loving people everywhere...👍 As for the election task force, I’m not sure how I feel about that...it could be used for nefarious purposes, which leaves me skeptical...but we shall see... Edited November 6, 2021 by JaCrispy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: As for covid deaths, the vaccine has been available to everyone that wants it...but it’s not his job to force feed it to everyone...so if people are dying, that is on them, not DeSantis or Biden...people need to take responsibility for their own lives and stop blaming everyone else...the vaccinated do not protect other people by taking the vaccine...they only help themselves... Furthermore, I don’t feel he misplayed it at all...I like how he balanced giving info and protection (monoclonal antibodies), by allowing people to maintain their civil liberties... And as a result, Florida now has one of the lowest case and death rates in the country- without mandating a thing and keeping life going as usual...It truly is inspirational to freedom loving people everywhere...👍 As for the election task force, I’m not sure how I feel about that...it could be used for nefarious purposes, which leaves me skeptical...but we shall see... That’s because everyone died dude. As Governor, aren’t you supposed to protect the citizens in your state? I can picture the campaign last week. We aren’t being invited to Fox like we were before so how do we change that? Lets announce that we’re assembling a police force to battle voter fraud! Dunno, that reeks of desperation to me. To become a viable candidate he has to hire a much better team. They’re a bunch of knot-heads. Maybe he will hire a new team. They’re very amateurish. Edited November 6, 2021 by Governor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 52 minutes ago, Governor said: He’s directly responsible for the most American deaths since a vaccine became available. Thats really bad. How do you miss that layup when there’s a vaccine? He misplayed that terribly and now he’s just yelling at clouds to stay relevant, which BTW isn’t working so well. Whats his new scam again? He’s going to assemble a task force to battle election fraud? LMAO. Talk about desperation. Jeez. That’s really pathetic. Even Trump laughed at that one. You are actually arguing that the superior governors directly killed the elderly with terrible policy in 2020. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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