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27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Bills barely tried to run the ball, but when they did Yeldon was picking up 4-5 yards rush…. Your right. They didn’t give a ***** because their offense was scoring at will. It forced our hand. 

 

 


Yeah…..but he was getting those yards because the KC D was selling out to stop the pass.  They gave us the run…..and we still couldn’t score.  That is a problem.  The game wasn’t out of hand in the first half.  It would’ve been closer if the O would’ve scored.  The O might have scored of the KC d wasn’t selling out to stop our one successful dimension.  Just like we sold out to stop Baltimore and their one dimensional run game….. it’s the same thing. 

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51 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said:

I love Mr. Weo .. sure he is a little too predictable… disagree, complain, say little of value, complain some more. We are in the off-season.. there isn’t much out there. If someone wants to ignore threads you have that supreme power unless someone has you at gun point forcing you to read every thread. There has been some decent interaction based on the initial thread but because you feel the need to read then disagree, complain, say very little of value and again complain .. my response should be what? Oh the all mighty, all knowing Mr. Weo didn’t like my thread .. I won’t post any more or should I just ignore your griping? Perhaps I can start any new threads with NOWEO. Life is too short for you to be this miserable all the time. Smile you will live longer and annoy others less #WeoUselessResponse

 

To ignore, is to deprive oneself of basic pleasures of being here.

 

My disagreement was pretty straightforward--it hardly required an "all knowing" response.  Simple fact is that you chose a thread title that was immediately proven inaccurate by your own first post.  It's ok for anyone to point that out.

 

I'm smiling still.....

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On 6/25/2021 at 12:08 PM, Mark Vader said:

 

NO!

The big gap is our defensive lines.

Our O-Line was torn to shreds and Josh Allen was under constant pressure.

 

Patrick Mahomes had 5 days to get rid of the ball.

 

I will agree with that but admit at the very least there is a Grand Canyon sized gap between Kelce and Knox....

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1 hour ago, Kwai San said:

 

I will agree with that but admit at the very least there is a Grand Canyon sized gap between Kelce and Knox....

I stated later that Kelce is superior to Knox, and there is no doubt about it. I just have concerns elsewhere on our team, which I am happy to see them address this in the draft with the selections of Rousseau & Basham.

 

I also believe that Knox will get better. He has gotten better every year, albeit slowly.

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2 hours ago, Kwai San said:

 

I will agree with that but admit at the very least there is a Grand Canyon sized gap between Kelce and Knox....

And every other TE in the league.....point being that Knox does not have to be Kelce good in order to be a good player for us......

 

I would settle for dependable

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Nice to see guys that do their homework and I do not mind if there is some bias there - I agree with most of it.

 

We were outcoached and had no answers for Kelce, and Allen is not as calm and cool in the big games (yet) as Mahomes, but the big stage was newer to Allen and he seems to be getting more and more comfortable playing on it as he continues to lead this team into more playoff/postseason appearances. So I am OK with that observation and that Allen is steadily closing the gap.

 

I think Mahomes is more comfortable in bigger games, but he also was not facing the same level of jail break pressure that Allen was either. Tampa rattled Mahomes and got to him quite a bit. No QB looks sensational when running for his life and most (if not all) will make mistakes and turn the ball over in those situations.

 

They are absolutely spot-on regarding Kelce. The Bills coaching staff needs to UP THEIR GAME when it comes how they play the better TE's in the league. I know they believe in their system, but when that system consistently gets burnt by good players at one position, they need to show that they have that growth mindset they keep talking about and adapt their strategy to better meet the challenge.

 

At least they need to mix their zone with more physical play on Kelce to disrupt his routes and timing in and out of those zones. Up to now I have mostly seen our coverage against TE's playing 2-3 yards off which is a mistake. Often I have seen them covering TE's with smaller guys and they probably should have LB's and Safeties on them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Figster said:

As was explained by another poster, become one dimensional and the opponent tees off on your one dimension.

 

 

 

 

As explained by me.........the Bucs were pretty one dimensional offensively last year.    

 

They won the Super Bowl.

 

The Chiefs were one-dimensional the year before.

 

They won the Super Bowl.

 

So the past 2 SB champs prove that you and "another poster" are wrong.

 

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8 hours ago, NewEra said:


Yeah…..but he was getting those yards because the KC D was selling out to stop the pass.  They gave us the run…..and we still couldn’t score.  That is a problem.  The game wasn’t out of hand in the first half.  It would’ve been closer if the O would’ve scored.  The O might have scored of the KC d wasn’t selling out to stop our one successful dimension.  Just like we sold out to stop Baltimore and their one dimensional run game….. it’s the same thing. 

They couldn’t score because they were dominated on 3rd down…. Their receivers couldn’t get open and their offensive line was manhandled, specifically Feliciano…. They need to be better running the ball but it wasn’t the reason or even a big reason they lost the game, IMO. 

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10 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

They couldn’t score because they were dominated on 3rd down…. Their receivers couldn’t get open and their offensive line was manhandled, specifically Feliciano…. They need to be better running the ball but it wasn’t the reason or even a big reason they lost the game, IMO. 

Yeah.  In your opinion. 
 

If a team sells out 💯 to stop your pass and you refuse to run, than it’s a problem.  The game wasn’t a blowout in the first half. There was plenty of time to run

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12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

As explained by me.........the Bucs were pretty one dimensional offensively last year.    

 

They won the Super Bowl.

 

The Chiefs were one-dimensional the year before.

 

They won the Super Bowl.

 

So the past 2 SB champs prove that you and "another poster" are wrong.

 

Both the Bucs and Chiefs include the TE as an actual weapon in their O and not an after thought which makes the Bills even more one dimensional. We're not talking about what works best for the GOAT. Better ball distributation to more weapons forces the opposition to game plan and play call accordingly.

 

The Chiefs Teed off on our WR's because its all they had to worry about IMO...

 

( Andy Reid knows when and how to run the football )

 

On a side note Tom Brady has won 7 Championships. 6 under a HC that understood the importance of a good run game. The same could be said about Saban/ Alabama at the college level.

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14 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

I stated later that Kelce is superior to Knox, and there is no doubt about it. I just have concerns elsewhere on our team, which I am happy to see them address this in the draft with the selections of Rousseau & Basham.

 

I also believe that Knox will get better. He has gotten better every year, albeit slowly.

 

I really and truly hope so.  I like the kid but the drops have got to stop.  NOW!

13 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

And every other TE in the league.....point being that Knox does not have to be Kelce good in order to be a good player for us......

 

I would settle for dependable

 

Not really EVERY other TE but I get what you are saying, Kelce is heads and shoulders above most.  Dependable would be splendid, actually beyond splendid.....I sure hope he takes good notes at he TE school......I really want him to be good, I just hate that he is so....whats the word?  UNdependable!

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3 hours ago, Kwai San said:

 

I really and truly hope so.  I like the kid but the drops have got to stop.  NOW!

 

Not really EVERY other TE but I get what you are saying, Kelce is heads and shoulders above most.  Dependable would be splendid, actually beyond splendid.....I sure hope he takes good notes at he TE school......I really want him to be good, I just hate that he is so....whats the word?  UNdependable!

Undependable is about the worst description you could give what is traditionally called a TE security blanket for the QB.

 

I agree with the description.

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On 6/25/2021 at 8:00 AM, Bobby Hooks said:

Just thought I’d stop by and say I really like the Bills too. And as a member with over 80 mug of beer reactions that might be thread worthy. 

Only in your case it’s light beer LMAFAOOAOFMAMAOOO!!!

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7 hours ago, Kwai San said:

 

I really and truly hope so.  I like the kid but the drops have got to stop.  NOW!

 

Not really EVERY other TE but I get what you are saying, Kelce is heads and shoulders above most.  Dependable would be splendid, actually beyond splendid.....I sure hope he takes good notes at he TE school......I really want him to be good, I just hate that he is so....whats the word?  UNdependable!

The drops were stopping during the second half of the season and the playoffs.

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8 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

The drops were stopping during the second half of the season and the playoffs.

 

They were becoming fewer....but they didn't stop.  A step in the right direction for sure though.  All I want is for him to get better and become that safety valve for JA17.

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17 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

They were becoming fewer....but they didn't stop.  A step in the right direction for sure though.  All I want is for him to get better and become that safety valve for JA17.

This is where the addition of Hollister will help. We could have a very good duo at Tight End.

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15 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

This is where the addition of Hollister will help. We could have a very good duo at Tight End.

 

Mr. Vader - I certainly do hope you are right....I think/hope the instant chemistry with Hollister along with the improvement of Knox will indeed lead the long suffering TE-less fans in Buffalo to happiness!!!

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On 6/27/2021 at 2:44 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

To ignore, is to deprive oneself of basic pleasures of being here.

 

My disagreement was pretty straightforward--it hardly required an "all knowing" response.  Simple fact is that you chose a thread title that was immediately proven inaccurate by your own first post.  It's ok for anyone to point that out.

 

I'm smiling still.....

You have a very loose definition of proven. .. the whole conversation is opinion .. both the KC guys and all of the TBD posters. This may come as a shock to you, but while your opinion is interesting it is not law. I did not in my first post say anything that contradicted my title of the thread. In the post I stated that I believe Pat Mahomes is in fact a more proven commodity than Josh.  You can disagree with that if you would like, but the fan bases of most other teams would agree. Hopefully Josh strings some great seasons together and he is viewed as well of better than Mahommes, but at this point, it is still just a hope in my opinion. If you listened to the video they were talking more about the present than the playoff games, the board took it there. Having stated that while Josh did not cause the Bills to lose he still did not match Mahomes in that game so he played a part in the loss. No complaints from me .. he was a raw prospect who is developing into a stud, but that doesn't change the fact that he struggled somewhat in that game.

 

To summarize:

1) Your opinion does not prove a fact.

2) I still believe they were non-biased and had well thought out opinions

3) I am glad you are still smiling .. it is good for ones health (based on scientific studies .. not my opinion.

 

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1 hour ago, CorkScrewHill said:

You have a very loose definition of proven. .. the whole conversation is opinion .. both the KC guys and all of the TBD posters. This may come as a shock to you, but while your opinion is interesting it is not law. I did not in my first post say anything that contradicted my title of the thread. In the post I stated that I believe Pat Mahomes is in fact a more proven commodity than Josh.  You can disagree with that if you would like, but the fan bases of most other teams would agree. Hopefully Josh strings some great seasons together and he is viewed as well of better than Mahommes, but at this point, it is still just a hope in my opinion. If you listened to the video they were talking more about the present than the playoff games, the board took it there. Having stated that while Josh did not cause the Bills to lose he still did not match Mahomes in that game so he played a part in the loss. No complaints from me .. he was a raw prospect who is developing into a stud, but that doesn't change the fact that he struggled somewhat in that game.

 

To summarize:

1) Your opinion does not prove a fact.

2) I still believe they were non-biased and had well thought out opinions

3) I am glad you are still smiling .. it is good for ones health (based on scientific studies .. not my opinion.

 

 

I'll say it again, I guess.  The fact that these guys think the gap between these two team is at QB is absolute proof that this is not a "non-biased" assessment by these.  The smallest gap between these two teams.....is at QB.  

 

Pretty simple.

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56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'll say it again, I guess.  The fact that these guys think the gap between these two team is at QB is absolute proof that this is not a "non-biased" assessment by these.  The smallest gap between these two teams.....is at QB.  

 

Pretty simple.

In your opinion .. pretty simple.

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