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9 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Where did you get opioid addiction from?  

 

Fwiw, the reason why I posted that was to exemplify the sad state of affairs with regards to some people refusing to trust the information, experts, and institutions that allow society to exist in the first place.  

 

That is a valid point you bring up.

 

It just occurred to me that the guy played on a broken leg, and probably took lots of pain meds to get through. 

 

Then he shows up to mini-camp touting a broken tooth and takes to Twitter with emotionally charged posts. 

 

I'm not trying to attack the content of his comments by suggesting he's high. Rather I'm expressing concern for the guy's well being. 

 

I hope he's not addicted to anything, but if that has anything to do with his behavior I hope he gets help... 

 

 

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Don’t blame him one bit.  

Why should anyone go along with the BS rules anymore?   If people had any self-respect at all they would simply stop complying with this crap. 

There is a protocol thread where Cole is being discussed but he probably deserves his own thread at this point.    Im getting pretty dang close to rooting for the Bills to cut him. I was alr

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24 minutes ago, H2o said:

We've had every other vaccine. The ones that have been around with years of data behind them. I'm not completely "anti-vax" as people try to label. But we never get flu shots and we're not getting this. The possible heart issues, the possible blood clots, the sickness you get from it, as well as other things I have seen. We're healthy and have been through all of this. The shot is unnecessary to me/us. Not doing it. 

 

Vaccines with years of data behind them were once new vaccines.    Many of them wouldn't have had the desired public health impact, if the relevant populations hadn't been willing to take them as soon as they were available - not years later.  How many years do you need, when millions of doses have been administered?

 

Question: what are the heart issue and blood clot risks from Covid-19 disease?  How do they compare to those risks from the vaccine?

 

Here's a study from a group at Oxford showing that the risks of blood clots is significantly higher from covid-19 disease than from the vaccine, including in people who were not ill enough to be hospitalized and 30% under 30 years old:

https://osf.io/a9jdq/

 

Here's a recent JAMA study of college athletes (young healthy studs) in which 2.3% (2,300 per 100,000) showed evidence of cardiomyopathies on MRI.  Symptom-based evidence was 0.3% (300 per 100,000).

 

The CDC is currently concerned about reports of 475 vaccine recipients under 30 with possible myocarditis or pericarditis.  I can't find the number of vaccine recipients under 30, but per CDC there are 3.4M vaccine recipients under age 18.  Therefore the upper bound of people under 18 with possible vaccine-related cardiomyopathies is 14 per 100,000.  This would be based on symptoms, so the comparator number would be 300 per 100,000 or roughly 21x more from disease.

 

Your decision, obviously, but if it's to be considered a rational and logical one, it has to factor in the risks on both sides, not show 'recency bias' by considering vaccine risks that have been widely talked about recently, while disease risks to healthy <30s have gotten far less Airplay.

 

Current data are saying that even with the risk of vaccine side effects, the risk to young healthy people from the disease is objectively greater.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Do your own research.

 

I've just had an epiphany.  

 

People today wouldn't be so quick to condemn the expertise of others with decades of experience in their fields if they actually had to go to the library and check out a book.  

 

Easy access to information via the internet is a double-edged sword.  

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1 hour ago, Pokebball said:

Never addressed the efficacy of social media. But many a celebrity sure seem to use it.

 

They sure do.  I'm just unclear on when and where it has proven itself as a positive strategy to achieve change.

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10 minutes ago, H2o said:

I also see where people getting vaccinated are still getting Covid. Three people I work with got the vax and still got Covid.

 

The point you seem to be missing is that the clinical data and your personal experience described here do not contradict each other. The clinical data doesn't say everyone who gets the vaccine will remain safe from contracting covid. It says that a very high percentage of patients that receive one of the 3 major covid vaccines will be immune from contracting the virus, or at least a severe case of the virus, about 2 weeks after being fully vaccinated. I don't know how else to explain this to you. It is one thing to say that you have personally made the choice not to receive the vaccine; it is another to say the vaccine is not at all effective in preventing the spread of covid. For the 2nd claim you need to provide some kind of material evidence. The burden of proof has already been met by scientists that say the vaccine is effective.

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15 minutes ago, H2o said:

I have seen people I know who have gotten the vax get sick as a dog, some for weeks on end. I've seen the news reports about perfectly healthy kids ending up with heart issues or blood clots after getting the shot. I have also been in close contact with people who've had Covid, while they've had it, and didn't get it. Most of the people I've known to get it have recovered from it. There have only been a couple who passed and they also had other serious health issues. I also see where people getting vaccinated are still getting Covid. Three people I work with got the vax and still got Covid. Since that's the case I don't see where we need it at all, having been healthy through this whole situation, so I won't take that chance. 

Then be honorable and continue to practice and enter society with restrictions.  

 

You could be a "Typhoid Mary"... How would you know?

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24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I wonder if the league reached out to Beane after Beasley's twitter rant.  They don't want another Kaepernick type situation which could happen if the Bills cut him and nobody else signs him.  He'd have a case for collusion and the NFL doesn't want to shell out more money on a settlement like they did in Kaepernick's case.

There is zero reason to cut him. He indicated that he will retire unless things change.

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Beasley is irresponsible at best with a deadly danger for his family and friends. Badly ill informed about vaccinations and the medical risks of COVID-19.  NOE he is just actin like a total JERK.  He is so so self-centered and uncaring. He is a cancer in the locker room too. FIRE him!!!!!!

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17 minutes ago, H2o said:

I have seen people I know who have gotten the vax get sick as a dog, some for weeks on end. I've seen the news reports about perfectly healthy kids ending up with heart issues or blood clots after getting the shot. I have also been in close contact with people who've had Covid, while they've had it, and didn't get it. Most of the people I've known to get it have recovered from it. There have only been a couple who passed and they also had other serious health issues. I also see where people getting vaccinated are still getting Covid. Three people I work with got the vax and still got Covid. Since that's the case I don't see where we need it at all, having been healthy through this whole situation, so I won't take that chance. 


I just wonder why people you know get sick as a dog for weeks when it’s pretty much unheard of.  If you’re sick for that long, I would surely think they would follow up with a doctor.  What did they say the doctor said?  

 

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6 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

Beasley is within his Constitutional rights to decline the Vax. Move on.. 

 

There is currently no state-mandated compulsory vaccination for COVID, but if there were then he, nor anyone else, has any Constitutional right to refuse absent a genuine medical reason to do so.  American jurisprudence on this topic is over 100 years old and fairly settled. 

 

Individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.  Per Justice Harlan:  

 

"[I]n every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand"

 

and...

 

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own [liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

 

and finally...

 

"[In] extreme cases [for certain individuals] in a particular condition of . . . health, [the requirement of vaccination would be] cruel and inhuman[e], [in which case, courts would be empowered to interfere in order to] prevent wrong and oppression."

 

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905).

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56 minutes ago, BuffaloBob said:

That is incorrect assumption on your part.  I ain't no intolerant liberal by any definition.  But what I do find hard to tolerate is willful ignorance and gullibility. 


This is incorrect reading comprehension on your part. I said “largely” not “exclusively”. I too am no intolerant liberal, but I am critical of Cole so I don’t see your point. 

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32 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

That could be because the information may not be trustworthy or is at minimum at least challengeable.  Sometimes, our institutions fail us - wouldn't be the 1st time and won't be the last.  As citizens in a free society, we have the right (really, a duty) to demand proof and to challenge claims.  Do your own research.

 

Here's my thing with this.  Maybe it will make sense to you, maybe it doesn't.

 

Expertise matters!  It really does.

 

I'm an amateur football fan.  I've probably put more time and effort than I want to admit into understanding football: educating myself about different offensive and defensive formations, watching film, watching film breakdowns, reading about football.  Hundreds of hours.

 

But the harsh bottom line is, it doesn't matter how much research I do, I will never be on the same level of football understanding and football expertise as someone who has devoted years and years of their life to football - who has played it since Peewee, who has literally spent years doing the same stuff I've spent tens or even hundreds of hours doing.   I will never have the level of football understanding as an expert, a Jordan Poyer, a Josh Allen, a Cole Beasley, a Brian Daboll, an Orlando Pace.  I don't have their ability to quickly sift the gold from the dross when I look at an overwhelming pile of options for a defensive scheme against a given route combination.  I can be "taken in" or fooled by something I read that looks credible maybe but isn't really solid.  I have to work extra-hard to see stuff that a trained coach can spot instantly.

 

By the same token, people who lack a background of years studying science and carrying out research and assessing research study design and data are simply not going to be on the same footing as a trained scientist when it comes to evaluating scientific and medical data.  It's too easy to be taken in by the latest guy in a Youtube video without being instantly slammed in the face by the fallacies, because you don't have the background to twinge your bull#### detector - too easy to get lost in the weeds of recency bias from the media at "oh noes the vaccine side effects!" without remembering to ask "wait, how does this compare to the disease side effects for people my age?"

 

It's great to ask for proof and challenge claims, but if you don't have the background to assess whether or not something is actually a real issue (like the chap on here claiming that the vaccines were never tested in animals, which is total bull oney to people who understand the process of getting a clinical trial approved not to mention who know how to find the published preclinical studies), you can spend a lot of low-quality driving time spinning your wheels in the mud without really getting to "proof" and "challenge" in a meaningful way.  You can come up with a meaningful assessment that shows it, but the time and effort you need to is perhaps way greater than you think.

 

It's sort of the equivalent of Joe Sofa Spud on here opining that Player X is "worthless" or "sucks".  Well he's still on a professional football team coached by professional football coaches, maybe they know something you don't. 

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, KennyDavisEyes said:

I appreciate your thoughtfulness
 

What about folks w antibodies?  Many 20 & 30 somethings have already had the disease and have recovered.

 

Perhaps Cole & other Buffalo Bills got infected after the season.

Getting COVID may give you some protection against the  Delta variant, but percentages are not available on the internet and it may not have been studied.  We know the vaccines are effective against the Delta variant. especially the two shot vaccines (if you get both shots).  Persons with two shots of the Pfizer vaccine are 88% protected.

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9 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

There is currently no state-mandated compulsory vaccination for COVID, but if there were then he, nor anyone else, has any Constitutional right to refuse absent a genuine medical reason to do so.  American jurisprudence on this topic is over 100 years old and fairly settled. 

 

Individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.  Per Justice Harlan:  

 

"[I]n every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand"

 

and...

 

"Real liberty for all could not exist under the operation of a principle which recognizes the right of each individual person to use his own [liberty], whether in respect of his person or his property, regardless of the injury that may be done to others."

 

and finally...

 

"[In] extreme cases [for certain individuals] in a particular condition of . . . health, [the requirement of vaccination would be] cruel and inhuman[e], [in which case, courts would be empowered to interfere in order to] prevent wrong and oppression."

 

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905).

Your point?? 

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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Here's my thing with this.  Maybe it will make sense to you, maybe it doesn't.

 

Expertise matters!  It really does.

 

I'm an amateur football fan.  I've probably put more time and effort than I want to admit into understanding football: educating myself about different offensive and defensive formations, watching film, watching film breakdowns, reading about football.  Hundreds of hours.

 

But the harsh bottom line is, it doesn't matter how much research I do, I will never be on the same level of football understanding and football expertise as someone who has devoted years and years of their life to football - who has played it since Peewee, who has literally spent years doing the same stuff I've spent tens or even hundreds of hours doing.   I will never have the level of football understanding as an expert, a Jordan Poyer, a Josh Allen, a Cole Beasley, a Brian Daboll, an Orlando Pace.  I don't have their ability to quickly sift the gold from the dross when I look at an overwhelming pile of opinions about the merits of a defensive formation or a route combination.  I can be "taken in" or fooled by something that looks credible maybe but isn't really solid.  I have to work extra-hard to see stuff that a trained coach can spot instantly.

 

By the same token, people who lack a background of years studying science and carrying out research and assessing research study design and data are not going to be on the same footing as a trained scientist when it comes to evaluating scientific and medical data.  It's too easy to be taken in by the latest guy in a Youtube video without being able to pick out the fallacies because you don't have the background to twinge your bull#### detector - or to get lost in the weeds of recency bias at "oh noes the vaccine side effects!" without remembering to ask "how does this compare to the disease side effects?"

 

It's great to ask for proof and challenge claims, but if you don't have the background to assess whether or not something is actually a real issue (like the chap on here claiming that the vaccines were never tested in animals, which is total bull oney to people who understand the process of getting a clinical trial approved not to mention who know how to find the published preclinical studies), you can spend a lot of low-quality driving time spinning your wheels in the mud without really getting to "proof" and "challenge" in a meaningful way.  You can come up with a meaningful assessment that shows it, but the time and effort you need to is perhaps way greater than you think.

 

It's sort of the equivalent of Joe Sofa Spud on here opining that Player X is "worthless" or "sucks".  Well he's still on a professional football team coached by professional football coaches, maybe they know something you don't. 

 

 

 

Thank you for writing this.  I have been involved in both clinical and basic science research for over 40 years.  The loss of 600k people plus the unknown number of individuals with long term complications from Covid are a tragedy.  And another is how this pandemic has exposed the ignorance of our society to basic concepts of science.  Some of this is simply because they have not had the education, but what is truly frightening is the willful ignorance of people to just discount things like facts and data.  

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4 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

57 pages?????

Really?????

Must be a bunch of independently wealthy MoFos on this here site, got nothin better to do😜

 

 

meh, hasn't even reached Clowney 3rd thread volume yet..,..

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3 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

Your point?? 

 

My point is that Beasley does not have a Constitutional right to decline a state-mandated compulsory vaccination in lieu of a medical reason.  

 

I figured it was pretty clear.

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