Explosion In Jerusalem

[Niagara Bill]

10 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:

 

A lot, actually! We could theoretically withhold all funding to Israel until they end their apartheid state practices. This would help draw the Palestinians back to the negotiating table for a one-state solution, with a two-state solution remaining somewhat viable as well. We could also close our military bases in Muslim lands, end drone strikes, and get back into the JCPOA. All of these actions could provide negotiating leverage with other Muslim countries who, in turn, could help us pressure the Palestinians to fully reject Hamas and to work peacefully with the Israelis.

 

The United States, of course, isn’t really that motivated to see the Israel-Palestine feud resolved. Endless Middle East conflicts are profitable for the corporate oligarchs that control both major parties. The only politicians consistently (well…sort of) speaking out against Israel’s human rights violations are the progressive Democrats, but they only tweet and give moving speeches so to energize their voting base. They won’t ever actually use their combined powers to challenge Biden and the neoliberals in meaningful ways that threaten current oligarchic power structures.

 

As ordinary concerned Americans, I would look into aspects of the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions) Palestinian movement. I would also use the primaries and populist third parties to apply electoral pressure on the establishment at both of its ends: left and right, Democrat and Republican. Educating others on the Israeli apartheid controversy is always helpful, too. American public opinion has been shifting rapidly toward Palestinian sympathy in recent years, so this strategy seems to be working. We’re seeing less and less of the fallacious “criticism of Israel = anti-Semitism” arguments in public spheres of any good repute (i.e., not places like this hellhole).

Very good thoughts with real merit. 

I see this situation of 70 years and the Syrian situation, the Iran fights, Afghanistan, etc as one type of problem. Unwinnable! Never ending!

Solution is a school yard problem. Surround them. Give them both weapons. Don't let them out. Tell them who ever wins you will be friends with but enemies with both if they both survive. Offer a big reward to the winner. 

The world is tired of this ridiculous spat. 

[meazza]

The knowledge @Niagara Bill and @ComradeKayAdams display in this thread is so illogical and yet it is the mainstream.

 

Just shows that nuanced discussions and media manipulation (from all sources) has poisoned minds for many generations.

[Unforgiven]

On 5/16/2021 at 7:57 AM, Niagara Bill said:

No one, not trump, not Biden, ot Kushner, Nixon, Reagan, Carter, Clinton, Kennedy, Kissinger, not anyone on this earth can make the most self serving arrogant nation, and the most stubborn stupid disrespectful organization stop their hatred and murdering ways.

End of discussion. 

Karen alert.

 

[meazza]

3 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

Karen alert.

 

 

Niagara Bill is completely off with his analysis.  In fact, if Iran wasn't backing these organisations, the problem would most likely be solved. 

 

 

[Justice]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/16/politics/biden-israel-progressive-democrats/index.html
 

This for any idiot that thinks Biden won’t support Israel like any other US President has. Wag the dog. And to the US troops I say good luck in your war with Iran. More American blood will be lost on behalf of Israel real soon. As soon as Dem takes office the bloodlust resumes. 

[meazza]

10 minutes ago, Justice said:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/16/politics/biden-israel-progressive-democrats/index.html
 

This for any idiot that thinks Biden won’t support Israel like any other US President has. Wag the dog. And to the US troops I say good luck in your war with Iran. More American blood will be lost on behalf of Israel real soon. As soon as Dem takes office the bloodlust resumes. 

 

I thought you were banned?

[sherpa]

17 minutes ago, Justice said:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/05/16/politics/biden-israel-progressive-democrats/index.html
 

This for any idiot that thinks Biden won’t support Israel like any other US President has. Wag the dog. And to the US troops I say good luck in your war with Iran. More American blood will be lost on behalf of Israel real soon. As soon as Dem takes office the bloodlust resumes. 

 

Plenty of US blood has been lost as the result of Iranian action.

A US retaliation against that regime would not involve significant US troops.

It would be air, and it would be effective.

[meazza]

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1393925600134537224?s=20

 

I'm a big fan of Maajid when it comes to the middle east.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

15 hours ago, Justice said:

There’s a political game and then there’s truth. Takes a man with honor and dignity to search for truth. Takes any type of scumbag to play the political game. 
 

Case in point. “Israel has a right to defend itself.” I mean who could argue with that logic? Nobody right?

“Hamas is a terrorist organization”. Yep. That pretty much checks out. They target civilians. 
 

Pretty flawless political arguments right? 
 

Only thing is it’s complete and utter bull####. 
 

No I’m not gonna explain. If you don’t know by now you’re simply:

a. Blind 

b. Stupid 

c. Can’t read between the lines 

d. Don’t give a damn about the oppressed 

e. Close-minded 

f. All of the above 

 

I’ll simply it for you. Try to follow along, ok?

 

The US was invaded by the Native Americans who somehow gained a serious capability to overtake our military and people. They won the war and now we live under an occupying force. We Americans have been stripped of our arms and have no way in fighting back. We have no real military. We have no real funds coming our way. What we do have is rockets. We can acquire those and/or make them. Now let me ask you. Are you gonna use them at times? Or are you just gonna give up and allow the occupying force to slowly, but surely, take more and more property from you? Hmm??? 
 

Try to be honest with yourself. I know it’s hard for some of you. 

it’s hard to argue who the place actually belongs to, it’s changed so many times. 

Edited May 17, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Niagara Bill]

5 hours ago, meazza said:

 

Niagara Bill is completely off with his analysis.  In fact, if Iran wasn't backing these organisations, the problem would most likely be solved. 

 

 

Sorry, but this has been going on before Iran had thoughts of Hamas. The 

Arab world never agreed with Israel being created, so the fight continues.

Your Johnny come lately point of view is based on the past 5 years of a 70 yr old fight.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Sorry, but this has been going on before Iran had thoughts of Hamas. The 

Arab world never agreed with Israel being created, so the fight continues.

Your Johnny come lately point of view is based on the past 5 years of a 70 yr old fight.

Lolol 70

I’m saying 4000

[meazza]

10 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Sorry, but this has been going on before Iran had thoughts of Hamas. The 

Arab world never agreed with Israel being created, so the fight continues.

Your Johnny come lately point of view is based on the past 5 years of a 70 yr old fight.

 

The Arab world has come to accept Israel.  Iran has been backing and arming Hamas and Hezbollah.

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

it’s hard to argue who the place actually belongs to, it’s changed so many times. 

That’s a really interesting chart. Seeing as how Islam has only been around since 700AD how can there be much of an ancient claim on this territory? This all comes down to a long term spat dating back generations. Unfortunately now it’s been intertwined in a holy war. 

[meazza]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

That’s a really interesting chart. Seeing as how Islam has only been around since 700AD how can there be much of an ancient claim on this territory? This all comes down to a long term spat dating back generations. Unfortunately now it’s been intertwined in a holy war. 

 

It's also escalated by people who have an interest in keeping this conflict going on indefinitely.

 

Hamas wants to show the Palestinians that they can take on Israel.

Netanyahu all of a sudden is going to retain power as the talks of a new coalition are no longer happening.

Fatah has cancelled elections.

Reporters love to report on the conflict in Gaza now that Covid is dying out.

[Niagara Bill]

3 minutes ago, meazza said:

 

The Arab world has come to accept Israel.  Iran has been backing and arming Hamas and Hezbollah.

 

Wrong. They are only the latest. The Arab world has not accepted Israel. Money today funnels thru Iran but that changes faster than you change underwear. Is 70 yrs. not long enough. There is money being made. Arms makers love this shiii. 

[sherpa]

20 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

 The  Arab world never agreed with Israel being created, so the fight continues.

 

And the Arab world's treatment of the "Palestinians"  throughout history is another interesting subject.

Only works when they are leveraged against israel.

[Niagara Bill]

15 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Lolol 70

I’m saying 4000

Started when Israel was created...until then it was the Jewish people were fighting for recognition and a homeland, now it is Palestine. Remember David and Goliath, been going on forever. There are similarities to many historic conflicts, the Scots and England, the Irish religious stuff, battling England and supported by American interests like Joe Kennedy and Whitey Bolger and of course the Afghanistan tribes. Hamas is just a face of money and hate.

[meazza]

13 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Wrong. They are only the latest. The Arab world has not accepted Israel. Money today funnels thru Iran but that changes faster than you change underwear. Is 70 yrs. not long enough. There is money being made. Arms makers love this shiii. 

 

The Abraham accords disagree with you.  Do the leaders speak from both sides of their mouths, yes, but they prefer Israel over Iran.  

[SoCal Deek]

Both Israel and the United States are a convenient excuse. The real source of all of this conflict is the ongoing hatred between Sunni and Shiite inside Islam. I’m not sure how that brotherly feud can ever be settled. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

21 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Started when Israel was created...until then it was the Jewish people were fighting for recognition and a homeland, now it is Palestine. Remember David and Goliath, been going on forever. There are similarities to many historic conflicts, the Scots and England, the Irish religious stuff, battling England and supported by American interests like Joe Kennedy and Whitey Bolger and of course the Afghanistan tribes. Hamas is just a face of money and hate.

jewish- Muslim conflict is thousands of years old. Sure carving out that spot and sticking Israel there didn’t help things. But hardly the start

[Niagara Bill]

24 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

jewish- Muslim conflict is thousands of years old. Sure carving out that spot and sticking Israel there didn’t help things. But hardly the start

It was the start of the modern day conflict. 

"So it is written... so it shall be done"

[Justice]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s a really interesting chart. Seeing as how Islam has only been around since 700AD how can there be much of an ancient claim on this territory? This all comes down to a long term spat dating back generations. Unfortunately now it’s been intertwined in a holy war. 

1. You guys see how stupid this is? This is not a holy war. Not by any means. The only people that are making this about religion are the Israelis with their racist laws.
 

2. Palestinians are Arab. Not Muslims. Some Palestinians are Christian. This has nothing to do with religion. 
 

 

[Niagara Bill]

45 minutes ago, meazza said:

 

The Abraham accords disagree with you.  Do the leaders speak from both sides of their mouths, yes, but they prefer Israel over Iran.  

Accords...sounds like Jimmy Carter, there are no accords only historic hatred that cannot even be explained, religion (the creator of all war and evil) and money.

Arabs do not hate Jews, they only follow religion teaching them. Do they prefer Iran??. Sunni or Shite? Michigan or Ohio State? Roe vs Wade? 

How can pro life vs pro choice after 250 yrs not come to an understanding. 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

1. You guys see how stupid this is? This is not a holy war. Not by any means. The only people that are making this about religion are the Israelis with their racist laws.
 

2. Palestinians are Arab. Not Muslims. Some Palestinians are Christian. This has nothing to do with religion. 
 

 

So enlighten us. How would you describe it?

[Justice]

1 hour ago, meazza said:

 

It's also escalated by people who have an interest in keeping this conflict going on indefinitely.

 

Hamas wants to show the Palestinians that they can take on Israel.

Netanyahu all of a sudden is going to retain power as the talks of a new coalition are no longer happening.

Fatah has cancelled elections.

Reporters love to report on the conflict in Gaza now that Covid is dying out.

What would you rather hear about? Trans people? Or maybe dogs? Or maybe more Trump? 
 

I didn’t get banned. I tried. I was angry. I’m still pissed. Lots of morons here. Nobody answered my question. Would you classify yourself as a terrorist if someone conquered and occupied the US and you fought back? Nobody. Not a single one of you. 

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

And the Arab world's treatment of the "Palestinians"  throughout history is another interesting subject.

Only works when they are leveraged against israel.

Palestinians in quotations huh? Funny. My grandfather passed away in ‘05. He was 97 years old. He must’ve been insane because he told me he’s a Palestinian. FOH. Another idiot. 

50 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Both Israel and the United States are a convenient excuse. The real source of all of this conflict is the ongoing hatred between Sunni and Shiite inside Islam. I’m not sure how that brotherly feud can ever be settled. 

Good Lord 

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, Justice said:

What would you rather hear about? Trans people? Or maybe dogs? Or maybe more Trump? 
 

I didn’t get banned. I tried. I was angry. I’m still pissed. Lots of morons here. Nobody answered my question. Would you classify yourself as a terrorist if someone conquered and occupied the US and you fought back? Nobody. Not a single one of you. 

Palestinians in quotations huh? Funny. My grandfather passed away in ‘05. He was 97 years old. He must’ve been insane because he told me he’s a Palestinian. FOH. Another idiot. 

Good Lord 

Just more ranting but very little descriptive explanation. We’re all waiting. You claim to be in the know.

[Justice]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So enlighten us. How would you describe it?

A fight for lands, dignity, human and civil rights. Israel wants their land for the Jews and the Jews only. They call it, “the Jewish state”. Palestinians realize they consist of Christians and Jews. The village I have a home in is right besides Taybeh. Taybeh is 98% Christian. The two never fight. This isn’t about religion. 

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Just more ranting but very little descriptive explanation. We’re all waiting. You claim to be in the know.

Give me a second. Good God man. I’m still going back to the last messages. 

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, Justice said:

A fight for lands, dignity, human and civil rights. Israel wants their land for the Jews and the Jews only. They call it, “the Jewish state”. Palestinians realize they consist of Christians and Jews. The village I have a home in is right besides Taybeh. Taybeh is 98% Christian. The two never fight. This isn’t about religion. 

Give me a second. Good God man. I’m still going back to the last messages. 

Thank you! Now we’re getting somewhere. So your position is that Israel wants to expel everyone from inside their borders that isn’t Jewish? Assuming you’re right, isn’t that a de facto religious conflict? It seems like semantics. Or are you making the distinction between nationality and faith?

[meazza]

26 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Arabs do not hate Jews, they only follow religion teaching them. Do they prefer Iran??. Sunni or Shite? Michigan or Ohio State? Roe vs Wade? 

How can pro life vs pro choice after 250 yrs not come to an understanding. 

 

Right.  Tell that to all the Jews that were ethnically cleansed from Morocco, Algeria, Iran, Yemen, Iraq, Jordan, Libya to name a few. 

 

This weekend there was a very large protest in my city of about 5000 people that were mostly Moroccan, Algerian, Tunisian and Lebanese for a pro palestine protest.  Guess what they were chanting, it certainly wasn't about peace.
 

 

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thank you! Now we’re getting somewhere. So your position is that Israel wants to expel everyone from inside their borders that isn’t Jewish? Assuming you’re right, isn’t that a de facto religious conflict? It seems like semantics. Or are you making the distinction between nationality and faith?

What about the 20% of Israeli Arabs that are either Christian or Muslim that live in Israel proper? 

Edited May 17, 2021 by meazza

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thank you! Now we’re getting somewhere. So your position is that Israel wants to expel everyone from inside their borders that isn’t Jewish? Assuming you’re right, isn’t that a de facto religious conflict? It seems like semantics. Or are you making the distinction between nationality and faith?

I looked up your village. It’s not in Gaza. It way north of there. You said it’s peaceful. So what’s the distinction in Gaza?

[Justice]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thank you! Now we’re getting somewhere. So your position is that Israel wants to expel everyone from inside their borders that isn’t Jewish? Assuming you’re right, isn’t that a de facto religious conflict? It seems like semantics. Or are you making the distinction between nationality and faith?

I don’t know if they want to remove everyone but laws have been made to get rid of some. That’s a fact. I wouldn’t call it a holy way because that’s not what the Palestinians are fighting over. 

[meazza]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

I don’t know if they want to remove everyone but laws have been made to get rid of some. That’s a fact. I wouldn’t call it a holy way because that’s not what the Palestinians are fighting over. 

 

Yes they are, they are fighting for Jerusalem.  

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

I don’t know if they want to remove everyone but laws have been made to get rid of some. That’s a fact. I wouldn’t call it a holy way because that’s not what the Palestinians are fighting over. 

So...what are they fighting over? They’ve got a large territory with beachfront land. Time to chill.

[Justice]

3 minutes ago, meazza said:

Right.  Tell that to all the Jews that were ethnically cleansed from Morocco, Algeria, Iran, Yemen, Iraq, Jordan, Libya to name a few. 
 

 

What about the 20% of Israeli Arabs that are either Christian or Muslim that live in Israel proper? 

It’s a slow process but yes they are forcibly removing people from their homes and that’s the fear. This is how it starts. They call themselves the Jewish state so I suppose they want it all for themselves. Fear may not equate to reality though. 

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

So...what are they fighting over? They’ve got a large territory with beachfront land. Time to chill.

Now you’re just trolling 

[ALF]

Iran destroyed Yemen , Gaza is next  by provoking Israel. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, Justice said:

I don’t know if they want to remove everyone but laws have been made to get rid of some. That’s a fact. I wouldn’t call it a holy way because that’s not what the Palestinians are fighting over. 

 

Then Why are the religious leaders and clerics telling them to sever heads of Jews? Or are those mistranslations?
 

Isn’t religion what all theses factions use to control their people’s minds? 

 

It’s usually never really about religion, but money and power doesn’t get people willing to die like ‘religion’ and ‘freedom’ 

 

 

[Justice]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I looked up your village. It’s not in Gaza. It way north of there. You said it’s peaceful. So what’s the distinction in Gaza?

It’s not in Gaza. It’s in the West Bank. And yet they’re killing Arabs in the WB as well. Settlers are killing Palestinians too. You just don’t hear about that in the news. Last I checked no rockets were launched from the WB. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

 

Now you’re just trolling 

No, I’m really not. I’m honestly anxious to learn from you, as you are way more connected to this issue than most on here. My earliest comments on your post were due to the expletive laden furor you displayed. This is clearly personal to you. To the rest of us over here on the other side of the planet it’s mostly just really annoying. No disrespect intended. 

[Justice]

5 minutes ago, meazza said:

 

Yes they are, they are fighting for Jerusalem.  

Dude. They aren’t fighting for Jerusalem. They’re fighting for the right to visit there during Ramadan and pray in peace. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Justice said:

It’s not in Gaza. It’s in the West Bank. And yet they’re killing Arabs in the WB as well. Settlers are killing Palestinians too. You just don’t hear about that in the news. Last I checked no rockets were launched from the WB. 

Thanks for the clarification. My comments still stand. The rest of the world is exhausted from this nonstop fighting over a little piece of land. It’s been going on our entire lives. It’s childish on so many levels but it seems like a way of life. So much so that people in that region seem just as OK with it continuing as ever really putting a stop to it.