Rodgers Disgruntled with Packers

[Arm of Harm]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

That was a great performance.  10 years ago.  How does that make him the greatest QB ever?

 

He's not even the greatest of the past 10 years.  The line would start behind Brady and Manning.

Several factors to consider:

 

1) No way does Green Bay win that Super Bowl with either Brady or Manning.

2) If you’re in a “what have you done for me lately?” mood, I’d point out Rodgers just won NFL MVP, with an insanely high level of play. 
3) Rodgers’ career yards per attempt and QB rating are a little higher than Brady’s.

4) According to Vegas, Rodgers is worth more points than any other QB in football betting history. 

 

Those four factors, among other considerations, are sufficient to put him in the conversation for best QB ever. Obviously there are other names in that discussion as well. 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Arm of Harm

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

Several factors to consider:

 

1) No way does Green Bay win that Super Bowl with either Brady or Manning.

2) If you’re in a “what have you done for me lately?” mood, I’d point out Rodgers just won NFL MVP, with an insanely high level of play. 
3) Rodgers’ career yards per attempt and QB rating are a little higher than Brady’s.

4) According to Vegas, Rodgers is worth more points than any other QB in football betting history. 

 

Those four factors, among other considerations, are sufficient to put him in the conversation for best QB ever. Obviously there are other names in that discussion as well. 

 

1) Maybe.  Was Rodgers and the Packers down 28-3 in the 3rd Q of that game?  No, in fact GB never trailed in that game and had a 10 point 4th Q lead. 

 

2) Rodgers, with the "weapons" assembled for him by his GM (same as the one's had the year before) was able, with them, to reach MVP level play for the first time since 2014.  

 

3) No one cares about YPA (7.8 vs 7.5!!) and career rating.  Kirk Cousins has a higher career YPA and Rating than Brady--that puts Brady behind "Kurt" in the list of all time greats!  Also, that means Mahomes has surpassed Rodgers as well as the all time greatest...

 

4)  Brady has won 77% of his games--100 more than Rodgers, with only 6 more career losses. That's a lot of money made in Vegas.  And then there's the playoff betting: 45 games with Brady (34-11) vs 21 for Rodgers (12-9).   Plus......you know....all that SB betting: 10 SB's (7 rings) vs 1.  So, Brady has made bettors a ton more money than Rodgers has.  

 

What else you got?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

22 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

The time to trade him was before last Thursday.  Denver and maybe Miami are only teams left.  Although it would be hilarious if Green Bay traded him to Houston and that dumpster fire.  

 

Perhaps I missed something, but doesn't Rodgers have a no-trade clause?

 

I have a vision of Beane's contract negotiations with Allen and his representatives:

Allen: "Want a no trade clause in the contract.  Feel strongly."

Beane: "I can appreciate that, but from the team side, look at the problem created when guys like Watson and Rodgers become loudly and publicly dissatisfied, but that no trade clause hamstrings the team from moving on"

Allen: "OK, you can put a second clause in there if I ever become a whiny little b--- trashing the team in public, the no-trade clause is off"

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, Doc said:

That GM should resign.

 

yes!!

 

By all means, the GM who's team, since he got there, went from 6-9 to back to back 13-3 seasons and NFCC games absolutely must admit his failure and quit! 

 

The guy who brought in a new HC (after Rodgers whined about McCarthy), and surrounded Rodgers with sufficient talent to go from seasons of 25 and 26 TDs to 48 and the best season of his career (and an MVP)---THAT guy, if he has any sense of shame at all, should quietly slink out of the building!

[Doc]

39 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

yes!!

 

By all means, the GM who's team, since he got there, went from 6-9 to back to back 13-3 seasons and NFCC games absolutely must admit his failure and quit! 

 

The guy who brought in a new HC (after Rodgers whined about McCarthy), and surrounded Rodgers with sufficient talent to go from seasons of 25 and 26 TDs to 48 and the best season of his career (and an MVP)---THAT guy, if he has any sense of shame at all, should quietly slink out of the building!

 

Yes.  Do it before they have to get rid of Rodgers and the Love pick blows up in their faces.  Again.

Edited May 6, 2021 by Doc

[Arm of Harm]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

1) Maybe.  Was Rodgers and the Packers down 28-3 in the 3rd Q of that game?  No, in fact GB never trailed in that game and had a 10 point 4th Q lead. 

 

2) Rodgers, with the "weapons" assembled for him by his GM (same as the one's had the year before) was able, with them, to reach MVP level play for the first time since 2014.  

 

3) No one cares about YPA (7.8 vs 7.5!!) and career rating.  Kirk Cousins has a higher career YPA and Rating than Brady--that puts Brady behind "Kurt" in the list of all time greats!  Also, that means Mahomes has surpassed Rodgers as well as the all time greatest...

 

4)  Brady has won 77% of his games--100 more than Rodgers, with only 6 more career losses. That's a lot of money made in Vegas.  And then there's the playoff betting: 45 games with Brady (34-11) vs 21 for Rodgers (12-9).   Plus......you know....all that SB betting: 10 SB's (7 rings) vs 1.  So, Brady has made bettors a ton more money than Rodgers has.  

 

What else you got?

 

1) Rodgers played at an outstanding level that whole Super Bowl, which is why Green Bay never trailed.

 

3) I'll grant that yards per attempt and QB rating are not the end all be all. In some situations it's easier to put together good numbers than others. In Kansas City, Alex Smith put up insanely good, better than most Hall of Fame player type numbers, especially in his last year as starter. This, after having put up very pedestrian numbers elsewhere. So, KC is a great place to put up good numbers. During Rodgers' time as a starter, his backup led the team to a 2-5-1 record while Rodgers was hurt. Nothing in that leads me to believe there's anything special about Green Bay's system which sets a QB up for an unusually high level of  individual or team success. 

 

4) You state that Brady has a better winning record than Rodgers. I'd point out that football is a team sport. An individual player does not win or lose games. The Patriots went 11-5 when Brady was out with an injury and Matt Cassell came in. The Packers went 2-5-1 when Rodgers was out and his backup played. The Patriots were a better team, and a better-run organization, than the Packers. Prior to Rodgers' injury, the Packers were 6-2--on pace for a 12-4 season, which would have been a fairly normal record for them with Rodgers under center. Going from a 6-2 team with Rodgers, to a 2-5-1 team without him, may be one of the reasons why Vegas believes he's worth more points than any other QB in NFL history. Brady's time with the Patriots was as a great QB on a very good team. Rodgers' time with the Packers has been a great QB propping up what would otherwise have been a losing team. Comparing the two QBs' W/L record is apples to oranges. 

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yes.  Do it before they have to get rid of Rodgers and the Love pick blows up in their faces.  Again.

 

Yes, of course.  Nothing says "it's blown up in your face"  like back to back division wins/Conf Champ games and an MVP season!!

 

You are ON POINT today doc!  

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

1) Rodgers played at an outstanding level that whole Super Bowl, which is why Green Bay never trailed.

 

3) I'll grant that yards per attempt and QB rating are not the end all be all. In some situations it's easier to put together good numbers than others. In Kansas City, Alex Smith put up insanely good, better than most Hall of Fame player type numbers, especially in his last year as starter. This, after having put up very pedestrian numbers elsewhere. So, KC is a great place to put up good numbers. During Rodgers' time as a starter, his backup led the team to a 2-5-1 record while Rodgers was hurt. Nothing in that leads me to believe there's anything special about Green Bay's system which sets a QB up for an unusually high level of  individual or team success. 

 

4) You state that Brady has a better winning record than Rodgers. I'd point out that football is a team sport. An individual player does not win or lose games. The Patriots went 11-5 when Brady was out with an injury and Matt Cassell came in. The Packers went 2-5-1 when Rodgers was out and his backup played. The Patriots were a better team, and a better-run organization, than the Packers. Prior to Rodgers' injury, the Packers were 6-2--on pace for a 12-4 season, which would have been a fairly normal record for them with Rodgers under center. Going from a 6-2 team with Rodgers, to a 2-5-1 team without him, may be one of the reasons why Vegas believes he's worth more points than any other QB in NFL history. Brady's time with the Patriots was as a great QB on a very good team. Rodgers' time with the Packers has been a great QB propping up what would otherwise have been a losing team. Comparing the two QBs' W/L record is apples to oranges. 

 

The Packers were 6-9-1 just 3 years ago, with Rodgers.   

 

How many SBs did NE win with Cassel?  How many have the Packers won with Rodgers?  

 

Nothing "leads you to believe there's anything special" about GB re: QBs success?  Really?  Nothing comes to mind? How many other franchises have replaced one HOF franchise QB with another--both who played their whole career as starters with the same franchise?  Isn't it a "system" that sits a 1st round draft pick behind a future HOFer for a few years?  Seems like a decent system so far...

 

It's a team sport, but with Rodgers, HE was "propping up" a bunch of losers and Brady was surrounded by top Offensive talent in NE?  It's a team sport, but old man Brady just strolls into Tampa (into the wrong house even) and wins a SB?

[Doc]

40 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Yes, of course.  Nothing says "it's blown up in your face"  like back to back division wins/Conf Champ games and an MVP season!!

 

You are ON POINT today doc!  

 

LOL!  Yeah it was all because of Gutenkunst.  Not Rodgers and LaFleur.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

LOL!  Yeah it was all because of Gutenkunst.  Not Rodgers and LaFleur.

 

Where did LaFleur come from?

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

Brady is the perfect illustration of football being a team game. He went to TB and they assembled an all-star team because he wanted to throw to top notch WRs. Winston put up some really good numbers there, but kept throwing picks. 

 

Brady was the missing piece. Then they added Brown ad Gronk, who made his few plays when it mattered most. 

 

Teams win Super Bowls. Green Bay totally wasted its 2020 1st and 4th round draft picks on a QB who contributed nothing but a firestorm of drama. 

 

Does Winfield Jr. get beat for that TD right before half in the NFC Title Game? Instead, they have a guy who constantly gets scorched at CB. 

 

But they have a guy who they want to play QB "many years from now" in their words, standing there in a knit cap watching the game!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by TheFunPolice

[Arm of Harm]

33 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

The Packers were 6-9-1 just 3 years ago, with Rodgers.   

 

How many SBs did NE win with Cassel?  How many have the Packers won with Rodgers?  

 

Nothing "leads you to believe there's anything special" about GB re: QBs success?  Really?  Nothing comes to mind? How many other franchises have replaced one HOF franchise QB with another--both who played their whole career as starters with the same franchise?  Isn't it a "system" that sits a 1st round draft pick behind a future HOFer for a few years?  Seems like a decent system so far...

 

It's a team sport, but with Rodgers, HE was "propping up" a bunch of losers and Brady was surrounded by top Offensive talent in NE?  It's a team sport, but old man Brady just strolls into Tampa (into the wrong house even) and wins a SB?

 

> The Packers were 6-9-1 just 3 years ago, with Rodgers. 

 

Three years ago (2018) Rodgers threw for 7.4 yards per attempt, had a 97.6 QB rating, and had over 4400 passing yards. Brady's career averages are 7.5 yards per attempt and 97.3 QB rating. So, there's nothing to suggest Rodgers was the problem in 2018. The Packers going 6-9-1 is an indication the Packers were even worse, in terms of talent level and coaching, than they were the year Rodgers went 6-2 while his backup went 2-5-1.

 

> How many other franchises have replaced one HOF franchise QB with another?

 

The GM and coaching staff who'd been involved in trading for Favre had been gone for decades. The current GM and coaching staff should be evaluated on their own merits, not allowed to ride on the coattails of guys who are long gone. Take Rodgers away from the Packers and they are a losing team. 

 

> It's a team sport, but old man Brady just strolls into Tampa (into the wrong house even) and wins a SB?

 

Tampa Bay had assembled a great football team, and they only needed a QB. Signing Brady as a free agent seems to have worked out well for them. 

[Chicken Boo]

I hope he stays true to his word and leaves Green Bay high and dry.  Watch that franchise crumble, not having one of the very best to ever do it to carry them, making them look better than actually are.

[Rico]

4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

I hope he stays true to his word and leaves Green Bay high and dry.  Watch that franchise crumble, not having one of the very best to ever do it to carry them, making them look better than actually are.

I’d like to see Rodgers and the Packers go down in flames. Whether they do it together or separately doesn’t matter to me.

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

> The Packers were 6-9-1 just 3 years ago, with Rodgers. 

 

Three years ago (2018) Rodgers threw for 7.4 yards per attempt, had a 97.6 QB rating, and had over 4400 passing yards. Brady's career averages are 7.5 yards per attempt and 97.3 QB rating. So, there's nothing to suggest Rodgers was the problem in 2018. The Packers going 6-9-1 is an indication the Packers were even worse, in terms of talent level and coaching, than they were the year Rodgers went 6-2 while his backup went 2-5-1.

 

> How many other franchises have replaced one HOF franchise QB with another?

 

The GM and coaching staff who'd been involved in trading for Favre had been gone for decades. The current GM and coaching staff should be evaluated on their own merits, not allowed to ride on the coattails of guys who are long gone. Take Rodgers away from the Packers and they are a losing team. 

 

> It's a team sport, but old man Brady just strolls into Tampa (into the wrong house even) and wins a SB?

 

Tampa Bay had assembled a great football team, and they only needed a QB. Signing Brady as a free agent seems to have worked out well for them. 

 

He didn't make that team better though....

 

Take Rodgers off the Packers last year and put in Brady and maybe the Packer fans are tasting SB victory for the fist time in 10 years.

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

LOL!  Yeah it was all because of Gutenkunst.  Not Rodgers and LaFleur.

He’ll die on this hill alone as if he’s defending his children from being eaten by mountain lions.  I heard that Gute might actually be low key responsible for the drafting of Rodgers too. 
 

what sucks the most about this whole debacle is that we’re going to have to deal with Rodgers in the AFC. 
 

 

[colin]

not sure what kind of draft capital it's gonna take to get rogers, but it would be a huge haul.

 

if rogers leaves, and the new picks power up GB to go get another chip, and that new qb looks good, that franchise really has to be considered the greatest/luckiest ever.

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

I hope he stays true to his word and leaves Green Bay high and dry.  Watch that franchise crumble, not having one of the very best to ever do it to carry them, making them look better than actually are.

If he happens to leave GB, he’ll likely be playing in the afc.  Just what we need.  That way we can have 10 of the top 13 QBs in the afc

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

He’ll die on this hill alone as if he’s defending his children from being eaten by mountain lions.  I heard that Gute might actually be low key responsible for the drafting of Rodgers too. 
 

what sucks the most about this whole debacle is that we’re going to have to deal with Rodgers in the AFC. 
 

 

Alone?  lol,,,look around bro.

 

In Denver?  He won't get past the Chiefs with that team.  And talk about dysfunctional management!

Edited May 6, 2021 by Mr. WEO

[Buffalo_Stampede]

17 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

I hope he stays true to his word and leaves Green Bay high and dry.  Watch that franchise crumble, not having one of the very best to ever do it to carry them, making them look better than actually are.

Unless Love is good.