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31 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Kirksey is best friends with Hyde?  How do you know?

College teammates. Friends. This was all talked about last offseason. I think Kirksey turned us down for Green Bay though. Reminds me of John Brown turning us down for Baltimore only to sign with Buffalo the following year. 

 

Kirksey can replace Milano for at least a year. 

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3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

College teammates. Friends. This was all talked about last offseason. I think Kirksey turned us down for Green Bay though. Reminds me of John Brown turning us down for Baltimore only to sign with Buffalo the following year. 

 

Kirksey can replace Milano for at least a year. 

 

But that injury history....

 

What does Kirksey bring here that Klein (already signed) does not?

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6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

But that injury history....

 

What does Kirksey bring here that Klein (already signed) does not?

Athleticism. Every player is a play away from injury. For the price the risk is minor. 

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4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Athleticism. Every player is a play away from injury. For the price the risk is minor. 

 

It's true that every player is a "play away from injury", but:

-It's just been reported he was released with a "failed physical" designation: https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/christian-kirksey-failed-physical-designation/

-He missed 5 games this season with a pec injury, then after returning to 100% of the snaps, saw decreased playing time either losing snaps to rookies, or on a snap count.

-This is after he was placed on season ending IR by the Browns 2 games into the 2019 season with a torn pec that required surgery.

-In 2018 he missed 9 games, 8 at the end of the season, with a hamstring injury

 

Those don't sound like "every player a play away", certainly the pec sounds like a potential ongoing concern.

 

Then there's the point that for most of his career in Cleveland, he played ILB and I think that's where he played with GB.  The position that needs filling here is OLB...

 

I think we need a serious attempt to upgrade our LB play, not another downhill-slide player we overpay as a FA.

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16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's true that every player is a "play away from injury", but:

-It's just been reported he was released with a "failed physical" designation: https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/christian-kirksey-failed-physical-designation/

-He missed 5 games this season with a pec injury, then after returning to 100% of the snaps, saw decreased playing time either losing snaps to rookies, or on a snap count.

-This is after he was placed on season ending IR by the Browns 2 games into the 2019 season with a torn pec that required surgery.

-In 2018 he missed 9 games, 8 at the end of the season, with a hamstring injury

 

Those don't sound like "every player a play away", certainly the pec sounds like a potential ongoing concern.

 

Then there's the point that for most of his career in Cleveland, he played ILB and I think that's where he played with GB.  The position that needs filling here is OLB...

 

I think we need a serious attempt to upgrade our LB play, not another downhill-slide player we overpay as a FA.

I know his injury history. Bills need to worry about upgrading the OL, DL, and CB. Find a plug at weak side LB for the year. 

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13 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I know his injury history. Bills need to worry about upgrading the OL, DL, and CB. Find a plug at weak side LB for the year. 

 

I think they did.  His name is AJ Klein, and he started 11 games for the Bills this year, of which we won 9. 

He's already on the roster, counted against the cap, and familiar with the defensive system.  And rumor has it Darron Lee has an offer sheet from the Bills.

 

No need to spend more cap dollars on an older vet linebacker with a problematic injury history, even if he was more athletic once upon a time.

 

We need to draft a LB though.

 

I like what I saw of Dane Jackson at CB this year and it sounds as though Beane did too.

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think they did.  His name is AJ Klein, and he started 11 games for the Bills this year, of which we won 9. 

He's already on the roster, counted against the cap, and familiar with the defensive system.  And rumor has it Darron Lee has an offer sheet from the Bills.

 

No need to spend more cap dollars on an older vet linebacker with a problematic injury history, even if he was more athletic once upon a time.

 

We need to draft a LB though.

 

I like what I saw of Dane Jackson at CB this year and it sounds as though Beane did too.

Basically I'm fine with everything you said. This year we must go cheap at weak side LB. We might not find a suitable replacement this offseason. McDermott will make it work though. Improve DL and CB and we'll be OK this year. 

 

Dane Jackson was good in a small sample. I also feel we could say the same of possible Milano replacement Dodson. 

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3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Basically I'm fine with everything you said. This year we must go cheap at weak side LB. We might not find a suitable replacement this offseason. McDermott will make it work though. Improve DL and CB and we'll be OK this year. 

 

Dane Jackson was good in a small sample. I also feel we could say the same of possible Milano replacement Dodson. 

 

Question: Why do you see Dodson as a possible Milano replacement? 

 

The games where Dodson got significant snaps last season were Week 2 (Miami) and Week 5 (Tenn). 

 

Pretty sure vs. Miami he was playing for Edmunds at MLB, next to AJ Klein for Milano and it wasn't pretty

vs. Tenn he was definitely playing for Milano next to Edmunds and it was FUGLY, but our whole D sucked that day so it's hard to pin it on him....

 

Anyway, I wouldn't want to pin the FUGLY on him, but I didn't see anything that made me think "damn, he could be good"

 

FWIW (given it's off season), Matakevich has replaced Dodson as the backup to Edmunds on the Bills depth chart

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15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Question: Why do you see Dodson as a possible Milano replacement? 

 

The games where Dodson got significant snaps last season were Week 2 (Miami) and Week 5 (Tenn). 

 

Pretty sure vs. Miami he was playing for Edmunds at MLB, next to AJ Klein for Milano and it wasn't pretty

vs. Tenn he was definitely playing for Milano next to Edmunds and it was FUGLY, but our whole D sucked that day so it's hard to pin it on him....

 

Anyway, I wouldn't want to pin the FUGLY on him, but I didn't see anything that made me think "damn, he could be good"

 

FWIW (given it's off season), Matakevich has replaced Dodson as the backup to Edmunds on the Bills depth chart

I don't want to replace Milano with Dodson. I also don't want to start Dane Jackson at CB. These are options, very unlikely the Bills depend on them. 

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Question: Why do you see Dodson as a possible Milano replacement? 

 

The games where Dodson got significant snaps last season were Week 2 (Miami) and Week 5 (Tenn). 

 

Pretty sure vs. Miami he was playing for Edmunds at MLB, next to AJ Klein for Milano and it wasn't pretty

vs. Tenn he was definitely playing for Milano next to Edmunds and it was FUGLY, but our whole D sucked that day so it's hard to pin it on him....

 

Anyway, I wouldn't want to pin the FUGLY on him, but I didn't see anything that made me think "damn, he could be good"

 

FWIW (given it's off season), Matakevich has replaced Dodson as the backup to Edmunds on the Bills depth chart

I actually thought he played admirably against Miami. Made a couple really nice plays. 

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18 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Athleticism. Every player is a play away from injury. For the price the risk is minor. 

But does Kirksey still have the athleticism?   He is going to be near his career cliff when the season starts at 29.   WLB is a pretty important role in the Bills defense to try and just plug a once good player into.   With the amount of things McDermott and Frazier ask the WLB to do in this defense I'd really prefer them to find someone a bit younger.

 

Kirksey had one good season in a 4-3 OLB role, otherwise he has been a 3-4 ILB.   He is oft injured, and really has been a below average player for three years now.   If we were talking about a SLB who was going to be on the field sparingly I'd be fine with kicking the tires on the guy.  I'd honestly even be ok signing him to a very low one year contract to split time with a rookie, but I dont think he is the guy you want playing a majority of the snaps at this point in his career.

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2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

But does Kirksey still have the athleticism?   He is going to be near his career cliff when the season starts at 29.   WLB is a pretty important role in the Bills defense to try and just plug a once good player into.   With the amount of things McDermott and Frazier ask the WLB to do in this defense I'd really prefer them to find someone a bit younger.

 

Kirksey had one good season in a 4-3 OLB role, otherwise he has been a 3-4 ILB.   He is oft injured, and really has been a below average player for three years now.   If we were talking about a SLB who was going to be on the field sparingly I'd be fine with kicking the tires on the guy.  I'd honestly even be ok signing him to a very low one year contract to split time with a rookie, but I dont think he is the guy you want playing a majority of the snaps at this point in his career.

We saw how the adjusted with Klein. McDermott can make it work. 

 

I think he's a much better football player than Klein. 

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19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's true that every player is a "play away from injury", but:

-It's just been reported he was released with a "failed physical" designation: https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/christian-kirksey-failed-physical-designation/

-He missed 5 games this season with a pec injury, then after returning to 100% of the snaps, saw decreased playing time either losing snaps to rookies, or on a snap count.

-This is after he was placed on season ending IR by the Browns 2 games into the 2019 season with a torn pec that required surgery.

-In 2018 he missed 9 games, 8 at the end of the season, with a hamstring injury

 

Those don't sound like "every player a play away", certainly the pec sounds like a potential ongoing concern.

 

Then there's the point that for most of his career in Cleveland, he played ILB and I think that's where he played with GB.  The position that needs filling here is OLB...

 

I think we need a serious attempt to upgrade our LB play, not another downhill-slide player we overpay as a FA.

I agree....but we also have to upgrade our OL, DL, RB, TE and CB.  We can’t do it all in one season.  We’re going to have to slap a bandaid on a couple positions.  If they choose to bandaid LB, Kirksey would be an option.  I don’t think we’d have to pay too much for him and should most likely get a 1 year deal, but we’ll see.  

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27 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree....but we also have to upgrade our OL, DL, RB, TE and CB.  We can’t do it all in one season.  We’re going to have to slap a bandaid on a couple positions.  If they choose to bandaid LB, Kirksey would be an option.  I don’t think we’d have to pay too much for him and should most likely get a 1 year deal, but we’ll see.  

 

My point is that I believe AJ Klein was brought in to be a potential band-aid depending upon what they decided about Milano, with possibly Darron Lee as a backup plan, while they snag a couple guys to draft-and-develop.  If they've decided that Milano's money//injury risk ratio is not in their favor despite his skill (which it seems as though they have), I don't see why Kirksey would be a good band-aid alternative; they might look for a different FA, perhaps.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

My point is that I believe AJ Klein was brought in to be a potential band-aid depending upon what they decided about Milano, with possibly Darron Lee as a backup plan, while they snag a couple guys to draft-and-develop.  If they've decided that Milano's money//injury risk ratio is not in their favor despite his skill (which it seems as though they have), I don't see why Kirksey would be a good band-aid alternative; they might look for a different FA, perhaps.

 

 

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Because I don’t think he’ll cost 1/2 of what Milano did. 1 year 4-5 mill bandaid. If he wants more money or years....he’s not a good bandaid.  He’s a much better coverage LB than Klein is and fills the “3 down” backer much better than Klein imo. 
 

We’re going to have quite a few 1 year bandaids over the next decade+.  If we neglect Lb in the draft and don’t want to invest $ or years in this free agent class, he could fit.  There are a bunch of LBs out there in free agency.  I don’t think he’s gonna get paid much.

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14 hours ago, NewEra said:

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Because I don’t think he’ll cost 1/2 of what Milano did. 1 year 4-5 mill bandaid. If he wants more money or years....he’s not a good bandaid.  He’s a much better coverage LB than Klein is and fills the “3 down” backer much better than Klein imo. 
 

We’re going to have quite a few 1 year bandaids over the next decade+.  If we neglect Lb in the draft and don’t want to invest $ or years in this free agent class, he could fit.  There are a bunch of LBs out there in free agency.  I don’t think he’s gonna get paid much.

I would sign kirksey and draft a Milano replacement as well. 

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