Haason Reddick - free agent I'd love

[Solomon Grundy]

On 1/28/2021 at 2:57 PM, Victory Formation said:

I want JJ Watt. I think he’ll be cut. Wouldn’t pay him top money by any means, but if he’s serious about a Super Bowl and wants to go to a contender, Buffalo is a nice landing spot for him. We have no pass rush and if Watt has a rebound season it could potentially put our defense over the top.

Nostradamus???

[Don Otreply]

Of his talents, can he do the Hasson Chop? 
 

 

 

[BillsFan1988]

I would love to sign Haason Reddick but not sure if he's a fit in Mcd scheme. Mcd seems to favor bigger DEs . I'm not sure he's a great fit at Lber either because of his lack of coverage abilities.

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said:

I would love to sign Haason Reddick but not sure if he's a fit in Mcd scheme. Mcd seems to favor bigger DEs . I'm not sure he's a great fit at Lber either because of his lack of coverage abilities.

Agreed.  He’d play the lorax/Aj Klein role for us imo.  I’m sure we’d find a way to have him get him more snaps to get after the qb, but Klein isn’t going anywhere due to his contract, so I don’t see Reddick as an option for us.  I

[transplantbillsfan]

I really have never watched Reddick play... but this description really intrigues me:

https://theathletic.com/2419403/2021/03/02/nfl-free-agency-dl-edge-rankings-leonard-williams-shaq-barrett-headline-group/

Haason Reddick, Edge, Arizona Cardinals (27)

His background is different from the other players on this list in that Reddick has been both an edge rusher and an off-ball linebacker. He had a big second half last season and finished with 12.5 sacks, which was tied for fourth league-wide. Reddick finished second behind only Myles Garrett in Brandon Thorn’s sack score rankings. Reddick’s role in Arizona changed about 400 times in four seasons, but he has shown serious pass-rushing chops. He’s a hybrid-type player who could be really fun with the right defensive coordinator. The concern with Reddick is that he had just 7.5 sacks in his first three seasons.

[White Linen]

Another issue is 5 of his 12.5 sacks came in one game against the Giants.  

[C.Biscuit97]

9 hours ago, White Linen said:

Another issue is 5 of his 12.5 sacks came in one game against the Giants.  

So if you take away those sacks (which if you do that for every player, it would be crazy), he still leads us in sacks. He didn’t have a set position for a while in Arizona. Maybe he is a one year wonder but given his pedigree, this could just be a guy getting ready to take off. 

[Doc]

9 hours ago, White Linen said:

Another issue is 5 of his 12.5 sacks came in one game against the Giants.  

 

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

So if you take away those sacks (which if you do that for every player, it would be crazy), he still leads us in sacks. He didn’t have a set position for a while in Arizona. Maybe he is a one year wonder but given his pedigree, this could just be a guy getting ready to take off. 

 

The biggest issue is he had far and away his best season in a contract year.  Pass.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

 

The biggest issue is he had far and away his best season in a contract year.  Pass.

He’s just entering his prime; he’s the former 13 pick; we just saw this with Hughes; and he didn’t have a set position for a bunch of his career.

 

If you believe in your coaches, it’s wild to dismiss a pass rusher this young who might have just figured out how to make it in the NFL. 

[stinky finger]

On 2/17/2021 at 7:01 PM, Don Otreply said:

Of his talents, can he do the Hasson Chop? 
 

 

 

 

Hasson like.

 

HASSON LIKE!! 😆

[NewEra]

23 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He’s just entering his prime; he’s the former 13 pick; we just saw this with Hughes; and he didn’t have a set position for a bunch of his career.

 

If you believe in your coaches, it’s wild to dismiss a pass rusher this young who might have just figured out how to make it in the NFL. 

Other than being a one game wonder, I see his biggest problem is positional fit.  He’s 6’1 230z. He’s a LB, not a DE.  
 

Where will he line up?  AZ played a 3-4. He played OLB.  
 

Is he going to play DE for us (@230).  Not full time.  No chance.  

 

Is he going to play Lorax’s hybrid spot, some LB, some pass rush?  That’s his best fit in our D.  
 

If that’s his role, what happens to Klein?  Is he now our 4th LB (making 6M)?  Does he take over for Milano?  Can we trust him to play 💯 of the snaps?  We’d probably have to draft a LB in the first 3 rds to take over for klein ASAP.  That a lot of resources invested into LB.  I’d rather just keep Milano and draft a couple pass rushers.  At least we know milano is good when healthy.  
 

Unless Reddick comes cheap, I don’t see him as a fit in this D considering our current roster and scheme.  If we were to switch up our scheme drastically, than maybe he makes more sense

 

 

 

[White Linen]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

So if you take away those sacks (which if you do that for every player, it would be crazy), he still leads us in sacks. He didn’t have a set position for a while in Arizona. Maybe he is a one year wonder but given his pedigree, this could just be a guy getting ready to take off. 

 

Point taken, however I think when 40% of a players sack production comes in 1 game against a weak opponent, you have to factor that in.

[Doc]

39 minutes ago, White Linen said:

Point taken, however I think when 40% of a players sack production comes in 1 game against a weak opponent, you have to factor that in.

 

And when 25% of your career sacks come in 1 game against a weak opponent, in a contract year...

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Other than being a one game wonder, I see his biggest problem is positional fit.  He’s 6’1 230z. He’s a LB, not a DE.  
 

Where will he line up?  AZ played a 3-4. He played OLB.  
 

Is he going to play DE for us (@230).  Not full time.  No chance.  

 

Is he going to play Lorax’s hybrid spot, some LB, some pass rush?  That’s his best fit in our D.  
 

If that’s his role, what happens to Klein?  Is he now our 4th LB (making 6M)?  Does he take over for Milano?  Can we trust him to play 💯 of the snaps?  We’d probably have to draft a LB in the first 3 rds to take over for klein ASAP.  That a lot of resources invested into LB.  I’d rather just keep Milano and draft a couple pass rushers.  At least we know milano is good when healthy.  
 

Unless Reddick comes cheap, I don’t see him as a fit in this D considering our current roster and scheme.  If we were to switch up our scheme drastically, than maybe he makes more sense

 

 

 

Puff, puff, pass

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And when 25% of your career sacks come in 1 game against a weak opponent, in a contract year...

The way to adjust is to reduce the extreme number to a garden-variety very good game number -- 2/2.5. That leaves him with 9.5-10 sacks, which is very good. He also had 15 tackles for loss, 6 forced fumbles, and 4 passes defensed. That's a very good season, Plus you can't coach speed, and he's a 4.52 guy. Sign me up for more fast guys.

 

This is all academic because some other team is going to pay him more than the Bills will. Good pass rushers are simply too hard to find.  

Edited March 10, 2021 by dave mcbride

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

The way to adjust is to reduce the extreme number to a garden-variety very good game number -- 2/2.5. That leaves him with 9.5-10 sacks, which is very good. He also had 15 tackles for loss, 6 forced fumbles, and 4 passes defensed. That's a very good season, 

 

 

He is a playmaker.......which is so undervalued on this board, IMO.   I am down on Edmunds because he makes NONE.    If they start calling offensive holding again Reddick might see a bump too.    Perhaps not as much as the big targets who are easier to grab without it look like an absolute mugging.......but nonetheless that kind of sack production in a season where the OL was allowed to tackle DL was impressive.    I think the Bills were in on him in that draft too if I recall those rumors.    I doubt he falls in their price range but intriguing weapon.

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Other than being a one game wonder, I see his biggest problem is positional fit.  He’s 6’1 230z. He’s a LB, not a DE.  
 

Where will he line up?  AZ played a 3-4. He played OLB.  
 

Is he going to play DE for us (@230).  Not full time.  No chance.  

 

Is he going to play Lorax’s hybrid spot, some LB, some pass rush?  That’s his best fit in our D.  
 

If that’s his role, what happens to Klein?  Is he now our 4th LB (making 6M)?  Does he take over for Milano?  Can we trust him to play 💯 of the snaps?  We’d probably have to draft a LB in the first 3 rds to take over for klein ASAP.  That a lot of resources invested into LB.  I’d rather just keep Milano and draft a couple pass rushers.  At least we know milano is good when healthy.  
 

Unless Reddick comes cheap, I don’t see him as a fit in this D considering our current roster and scheme.  If we were to switch up our scheme drastically, than maybe he makes more sense

 

 

 

A LorAx type role might work really for us, especially this season due to the cap. Pay a little bit more to get a guy who can play both positions and lessen the Milano blow while picking up a pass rusher. Gives us some flexibility in the draft and UfA in the coming seasons well. 

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He is a playmaker.......which is so undervalued on this board, IMO.   I am down on Edmunds because he makes NONE.    If they start calling offensive holding again Reddick might see a bump too.    Perhaps not as much as the big targets who are easier to grab without it look like an absolute mugging.......but nonetheless that kind of sack production in a season where the OL was allowed to tackle DL was impressive.    I think the Bills were in on him in that draft too if I recall those rumors.    I doubt he falls in their price range but intriguing weapon.

The thing about Edmunds is that he was a playmaker in one category before 2020 - passes defensed. He had 12 in his rookie season, which was second in the league among non-secondary players. He was pretty good the next season too with 9, but this year he only had 3. I'm not saying he's in decline, and this is a stat that's pretty spiky anyway. But the fact of the matter is that until this season he has been a better-than-average pass defender for a linebacker. In a passing league, that's important. And there's really no difference between a pass defensed and either a stuff on a running play or a sack at the LOS. 

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The thing about Edmunds is that he was a playmaker in one category before 2020 - passes defensed. He had 12 in his rookie season, which was second in the league among non-secondary players. He was pretty good the next season too with 9, but this year he only had 3. I'm not saying he's in decline, and this is a stat that's pretty spiky anyway. But the fact of the matter is that until this season he has been a better-than-average pass defender for a linebacker. In a passing league, that's important. And there's really no difference between a pass defensed and either a stuff on a running play or a sack at the LOS. 

He clearly declined in pass coverage imo.  IIRC, the qbr when targeting him was 125+.  One of the highest numbers I’ve seen.  

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

He clearly declined in pass coverage imo.  IIRC, the qbr when targeting him was 125+.  One of the highest numbers I’ve seen.  

Yeah, I get that, but I certainly don't think it's physical decline given how young he is. Point is, he's capable of playing at a high level in pass coverage and has proved it. He just needs to fix his game.