"Kiddo"

[Tiberius]

“Madame First Lady — Mrs. Biden — Jill — kiddo: a bit of advice on what might seem like a small but I think is not an unimportant matter,” writer Joseph Epstein began. “Any chance you might drop the ‘Dr.’ before your name? ‘Dr. Jill Biden’ sounds and feels a touch fraudulent, not to mention comical.”

 

https://news.yahoo.com/jill-biden-backlash-wsj-op-114159140.html

 

An opinion writer's suggestion that the next US First Lady Jill Biden should stop referring to herself as "Dr" has sparked an angry reaction online.

Joseph Epstein called Jill Biden "kiddo", comparing her doctorate in education to an honorary degree.

"'Dr Jill Biden' sounds and feels fraudulent, not to say a touch comic," he wrote in the Wall Street Journal.

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Didnt have ***** to say the last 4 years about the First Lady who was nothing more than a softcore porn star and a mail-order bride, but doesn't waste a second going after someone who is well-educated.

 

The fear and desperation is hitting all new levels of pathetic.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Who the ***** cares? Aren't these the morons who listen to "Dr." Dan Bongino?

[shoshin]

While I totally agree that PhD doctors who insist on "Dr" are pompous-sounding, the only thing that really moves me here is that some moron thought this was a worthwhile letter to write to the WSJ. 

 

The Journal only published it to get eyeballs. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

It’s kind of ironic that a lady with thIs level of book learnin’ is likely exactly the type of sad case needing to be saved from the angry lending monsters terrorizing PhDoctors by her husband Mr. Joe Biden.  
 

 

[Scraps]

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

While I totally agree that PhD doctors who insist on "Dr" are pompous-sounding, the only thing that really moves me here is that some moron thought this was a worthwhile letter to write to the WSJ. 

 

The Journal only published it to get eyeballs. 

 

I work with a lot of PhDs.  Some insist on being called Doctor and some don't.  Jill Biden teaches at a college.  As I recall, using the Dr. label in and educational setting is common.

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, Scraps said:

 

I work with a lot of PhDs.  Some insist on being called Doctor and some don't.  Jill Biden teaches at a college.  As I recall, using the Dr. label in and educational setting is common.

 

 

I recognize where it comes from but it's just pretentious. Allowed, but pretentious. 

 

Almost, but not quite as bad, as attorneys who append Esq. after their names. That thankfully seems to be going out of vogue. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

I must be missing the part where Jill Biden insists on being called Dr. Jill Biden.

[ALF]

I wonder if he calls Dr Henry Kissinger  kiddo  ?

[Warcodered]

17 hours ago, shoshin said:

While I totally agree that PhD doctors who insist on "Dr" are pompous-sounding, the only thing that really moves me here is that some moron thought this was a worthwhile letter to write to the WSJ. 

 

The Journal only published it to get eyeballs. 

Yeah I mean people that insist on being called that but you shouldn't call her Mrs. Biden either if your going with that kind of vernacular you should call her Dr. Biden because she did *****ing earn it.

Edited December 15, 2020 by Warcodered

[The Frankish Reich]

14 hours ago, shoshin said:

While I totally agree that PhD doctors who insist on "Dr" are pompous-sounding, the only thing that really moves me here is that some moron thought this was a worthwhile letter to write to the WSJ. 

 

The Journal only published it to get eyeballs. 

It wasn't a moron. It was Joseph Epstein, a pretty smart guy (albeit poorly credentialed academically; that's part of the fun he's having here) and a damn good writer.

The only people offended are the hypersensitive, including (probably) those other pompous asses who ask to be called "Dr."

She has the same degree -- an Ed.D., not a Ph.D. -- as Bill Cosby. I remember the credits on the Cosby show always ending with a reference to "Dr. William H. Cosby." I get that people are proud of their degrees, but really ... let it go, Dr. Jill.

[shoshin]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

It wasn't a moron. It was Joseph Epstein, a pretty smart guy (albeit poorly credentialed academically; that's part of the fun he's having here) and a damn good writer.

The only people offended are the hypersensitive, including (probably) those other pompous asses who ask to be called "Dr."

She has the same degree -- an Ed.D., not a Ph.D. -- as Bill Cosby. I remember the credits on the Cosby show always ending with a reference to "Dr. William H. Cosby." I get that people are proud of their degrees, but really ... let it go, Dr. Jill.

No. She earned the degree so she’s not in Cosby’s ridiculous club of being called doctor. That’s an entirely different planet of obnoxiousness. 

5 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Yeah I mean people that insist on being called that but you shouldn't call her Mrs. Biden either if your going with that kind vernacular you should call her Dr. Biden because she did *****ing earn it.

This I agree with. If you have to address someone, choose the right prefix. 
 

Speaking of prefixes, the historical miniseries Mrs America was stellar. 

[oldmanfan]

I have a Ph.D.  The doctoral degree is the highest academic degree that can be offered by a university.  Jill Biden should be proud of that, and to refer to her as Dr. Biden is appropriate.  I generally don't get caught up in it myself.  Because I do clinical things it's entirely appropriate for patients to refer to me as Dr., and at the universities where I teach it I am referred to as Dr., which again is expected and appropriate.  But if I'm talking to my kid's friends and they call me Mr., no big deal.  To me the guy that wrote the editorial seemed kind of envious, and of course the "kiddo" reference was completely ridiculous and demeaning.

[shoshin]

If someone uses a prefix in a setting, it should be the right one. But people who run around  insisting on “doctor” are obnoxious. Mostly a thing of the past. 

[Scraps]

5 minutes ago, shoshin said:

If someone uses a prefix in a setting, it should be the right one. But people who run around  insisting on “doctor” are obnoxious. Mostly a thing of the past. 

 

Is she running around insisting on being called "doctor"?  Seems like Joseph Epstein is the one running around and purposely being condescending and insulting kiddo.

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, shoshin said:

No. She earned the degree so she’s not in Cosby’s ridiculous club of being called doctor. That’s an entirely different planet of obnoxiousness. 

This I agree with. If you have to address someone, choose the right prefix. 
 

Speaking of prefixes, the historical miniseries Mrs America was stellar. 

Hmmm....

Mrs. America is an American historical drama television miniseries produced by FX and originally aired on sister streaming service FX on Hulu. Created and co-written by Davhi Waller and directed by Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck, Amma Asante, Laure de Clermont-Tonnerre and Janicza Bravo, the series details the political movement to pass the Equal Rights Amendment and the unexpected backlash led by conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly in the 1970s. It features a large ensemble cast led by Cate Blanchett, Rose Byrne, Uzo Aduba, Elizabeth Banks, Margo Martindale, John Slattery, Tracey Ullman, and Sarah Paulson.

The nine-part series premiered in the United States on April 15, 2020 to widespread critical acclaim. At the 72nd Primetime Emmy Awards, it received ten nominations including Outstanding Limited Series and Outstanding Writing, as well as acting nominations for Blanchett, Aduba, Martindale, and Ullman,^[1] with Aduba winning Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Limited Series or Movie.^[2]

 

 

Looks interesting. I just became aware that Ken Burns had taken on the Nam 

 

http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/home/ Have been watching and its really good 

[ExiledInIllinois]

18 hours ago, Scraps said:

 

I work with a lot of PhDs.  Some insist on being called Doctor and some don't.  Jill Biden teaches at a college.  As I recall, using the Dr. label in and educational setting is common.

My Grade 10 Chemistry teacher was a "Dr." As was my Grade 9 Social Studies teacher.  They used the title.

 

Why is it more important to be a MD or DO?

Edited December 15, 2020 by ExiledInIllinois

[shoshin]

54 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Hmmm....

Mrs. America is an American historical drama television miniseries produced by FX and originally aired on sister streaming service FX on Hulu. Created and co-written by Davhi Waller and directed by Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck, Amma Asante, Laure de Clermont-Tonnerre and Janicza Bravo, the series details the political movement to pass the Equal Rights Amendment and the unexpected backlash led by conservative activist Phyllis Schlafly in the 1970s. It features a large ensemble cast led by Cate Blanchett, Rose Byrne, Uzo Aduba, Elizabeth Banks, Margo Martindale, John Slattery, Tracey Ullman, and Sarah Paulson.

The nine-part series premiered in the United States on April 15, 2020 to widespread critical acclaim. At the 72nd Primetime Emmy Awards, it received ten nominations including Outstanding Limited Series and Outstanding Writing, as well as acting nominations for Blanchett, Aduba, Martindale, and Ullman,^[1] with Aduba winning Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Limited Series or Movie.^[2]

 

Funny thing: The person who recommended it is my friend from Sweden. He messaged me telling me that his family was enjoying it and assumed I knew all about it. 

 

It's a story I was too young to remember. When I told my mom about it, she said, "I lived that miniseries. F*** Phyllis Shaffley." Hahaha.

 

 

 

 

Quote

 

Looks interesting. I just became aware that Ken Burns had taken on the Nam 

 

http://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-vietnam-war/home/ Have been watching and its really good 

 

Will check it out.

Edited December 15, 2020 by shoshin

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I have a Ph.D.  The doctoral degree is the highest academic degree that can be offered by a university.  Jill Biden should be proud of that, and to refer to her as Dr. Biden is appropriate.  I generally don't get caught up in it myself.  Because I do clinical things it's entirely appropriate for patients to refer to me as Dr., and at the universities where I teach it I am referred to as Dr., which again is expected and appropriate.  But if I'm talking to my kid's friends and they call me Mr., no big deal.  To me the guy that wrote the editorial seemed kind of envious, and of course the "kiddo" reference was completely ridiculous and demeaning.

I shall forever refer to you as Dr. OldManFan.  

 

Personally, in an academic/clinical setting I would refer to you as Dr. OMF.  I agree you earned it, I certainly acknowledge the commitment it took to achieve your goal, but it really just boils down to courtesy and the psychology behind it all.  To be completely honest, if you're engaging me in a clinical setting, the Dr. moniker is important to me.  I don't want "Rick, the guy from Elmira" treating or advising me, I want good old Dr. OMF giving me the downlow.  Taking it one step further, in that setting, I'd personally hope you would refer to me by my first name, mostly because that simple familiarity would be reassuring to me.  Others probably would prefer to be addressed as Mr/Mrs/Ms.  

 

Outside of that environment, I guess I would go with in-kind responses. I'm assuming in social settings you introduce yourself to other adults as OldManFan, not "Hi. I'm Dr. Fan."?   If you called me by my first name, I'd call you Old. If you referred to me as Mr, the only danger would be me forgetting that you've earned your doctoral degree and calling you Mr as well.  If I'm understanding you correctly, that would not bother you and you would likely not tell me that the appropriate designation is Dr. OMF?    

 

Can we at least agree that the Maestro episode on Seinfeld was among their finest work?  

 

 

[Plano]

Sounds like this writer has never been punched in the face, somewhat like our orange moron at the helm now. 

 

Sometimes it just takes a little ass kicking to bring people down a notch. 

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I shall forever refer to you as Dr. OldManFan.  

 

Personally, in an academic/clinical setting I would refer to you as Dr. OMF.  I agree you earned it, I certainly acknowledge the commitment it took to achieve your goal, but it really just boils down to courtesy and the psychology behind it all.  To be completely honest, if you're engaging me in a clinical setting, the Dr. moniker is important to me.  I don't want "Rick, the guy from Elmira" treating or advising me, I want good old Dr. OMF giving me the downlow.  Taking it one step further, in that setting, I'd personally hope you would refer to me by my first name, mostly because that simple familiarity would be reassuring to me.  Others probably would prefer to be addressed as Mr/Mrs/Ms.  

 

Outside of that environment, I guess I would go with in-kind responses. I'm assuming in social settings you introduce yourself to other adults as OldManFan, not "Hi. I'm Dr. Fan."?   If you called me by my first name, I'd call you Old. If you referred to me as Mr, the only danger would be me forgetting that you've earned your doctoral degree and calling you Mr as well.  If I'm understanding you correctly, that would not bother you and you would likely not tell me that the appropriate designation is Dr. OMF?    

 

Can we at least agree that the Maestro episode on Seinfeld was among their finest work?  

 

 

Well, let's deal with the Seinfeld issue first.  The Maestro episode was great, but the Master of Your Domain episode ranks first for me.  Kramer slapping the cash on the table and screaming " I'm out!" was one of the great moments of TV.

 

In social settings call me what you want.  Call me Dr., call me Mr., you can call me Ray, you can call me Jay, you can call me RJ....  God knows I've been called a lot of things, and I don't get bent out of shape if you don't use the Dr. title. I don't think Jill Biden would either; at least her public persona strikes me that way.   The only time I get upset by what I'm called is if a youngster tries to call me by my first name; I hate that.   I expect young people to show me more respect than that.

 

In the workplace whether seeing patients or teaching, then it should be used.  And I usually call patients by their first name unless I'm meeting them for the first time, or if they ask to be referred to otherwise,

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Well, let's deal with the Seinfeld issue first.  The Maestro episode was great, but the Master of Your Domain episode ranks first for me.  Kramer slapping the cash on the table and screaming " I'm out!" was one of the great moments of TV.

 

In social settings call me what you want.  Call me Dr., call me Mr., you can call me Ray, you can call me Jay, you can call me RJ....  God knows I've been called a lot of things, and I don't get bent out of shape if you don't use the Dr. title. I don't think Jill Biden would either; at least her public persona strikes me that way.   The only time I get upset by what I'm called is if a youngster tries to call me by my first name; I hate that.   I expect young people to show me more respect than that.

 

In the workplace whether seeing patients or teaching, then it should be used.  And I usually call patients by their first name unless I'm meeting them for the first time, or if they ask to be referred to otherwise,

 

Master of your Domain is awesome, and the Kramer scene exceptional.   I liked Bookman as well, and just saw the Maestro the other night so it was too of mind.  The look on his face when Elaine called him “Bob” was priceless. 
 

I think on the Dr issue, you’re pretty reasonable for an egghead (apologies to my friend @I am the egg man).  
 

 

 

[Warcodered]

5 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

My Grade 10 Chemistry teacher was a "Dr." As was my Grade 9 Social Studies teacher.  They used the title.

 

Why is it more important to be a MD or DO?

The only place it'd really matter is if she was giving medical advice.

[ExiledInIllinois]

53 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

The only place it'd really matter is if she was giving medical advice.

Not really.  Lot of M.D.s that are quacks.  Makes no difference.  All the same.

[TH3]

On 12/15/2020 at 10:54 AM, Plano said:

Sounds like this writer has never been punched in the face, somewhat like our orange moron at the helm now. 

 

Sometimes it just takes a little ass kicking to bring people down a notch. 

 

You are correct

[T master]

I have all the respect in the world for those that go to school and get a Phd and have earned the right to be called Dr. but that being said i think we have seen that just because you are book smart doesn't mean that common sense interjected any where after you get the degree .

 

I personally  have known people that have went to school to get degree's and when they come out and go into he field of study that they were in in college they didn't have a clue when having to put to real life use or practical application .

 

If those that get the Phd actually do work in the field of study the degree was given and have actual hands on experience in said field then that's all well and good and in that field of which they study they may be able to speak on the subject and actually know something but IMHO with some kind of practical hands on experience in the field the badge of Phd really doesn't have a lot of meaning 

 

Book learning with no practical experience doesn't mean you are actually a expert in that field it just means you have a really good idea how it's "suppose to work" but can't say for sure because you only know what the books/professor have told you which is a good start but with out real life experience your still learning .

 

If you want proof of this just look at Washington DC a city filled with people that went to college to be lawyers to learn how to twist words with in the law to make it look and sound like they are smart yet most of them can't balance their own check book !! Not someone i want telling me what's best for me .

 

But i think the real reason why they may want his wife to drop the Dr. thing is because they will find out that she is the real brains of the family kind of the wizard of Oz thing .