nkreed Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: Hmm, I dunno, that seems weak. "Seems" weak? What other thing in life do you wait for that isn't for personal benefit? Politics isn't specifically for personal benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: The DNC completely missed the mark again. Ramming Biden down everyone's throat because they thought he'd do well with independents proved to once again be a mistake, just not as bad as the one they made 4 years ago. They can't get out of their own way. DNC got outsmarted by Trumps team once again. Had Trump handled the pandemic better its a non-contest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, aristocrat said: you actually believe the republicans are going to take to the streets? It depends on what Trump says. He may very well ask for it "for this country" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haroldwaide Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 The fact that a president that has been impeached, but not removed from office STILL has a clear path to victory speaks volumes about the Biden Harris's ticket... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I don't see it that way. Is waiting in my Dr's office for 4 hrs suppression of health services? c'mon man... Are you more likely to wait in line for 8 hours to vote or less likely? That's really all it comes down to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Biden is -1200 in Michigan and -1400 in Wisconsin now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, HeHateMe said: Are you more likely to wait in line for 8 hours to vote or less likely? That's really all it comes down to. I think the question should rather be: At what length of time would you decide voting wasn't worth it. I would expect a lie in response, since they haven't had to make that decision....EVER. That's different than those who face disenfranchisement annually. I would expect that those people's length of time would decrease with frequency (which is the real reason for making it tougher to vote). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER DOT COM Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, HeHateMe said: Are you more likely to wait in line for 8 hours to vote or less likely? That's really all it comes down to. It's not even about whether a person wants to wait or not. The lower working class typically works hourly shift jobs which make it impossible to take 6-8 hours to stand in line, even if the voter wanted to. It's suppression of the working class. Plenty of other developed western countries get all their votes in on one day, with zero lines. It is possible. The fact it doesnt happen here is by design. Make Election Day a national holiday and a lot of that issue goes away. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, Gene1973 said: I don't see it that way. Is waiting in my Dr's office for 4 hrs suppression of health services? c'mon man... Do you have a right to see that doctor? Probably not. But I have a right to vote. Justice delayed is justice denied. Same goes here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 arizona screwed up their reporting. many more votes to count. some people saying lots of trump counties to be reported and could tighten up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Very refreshing to see a civil discourse in here today regardless oh which candidate you voted for. Some salient points on both sides. I love the idea of making the presidential election a national holiday so people have the option of voting at any time vs only when they aren't on the clock. I do think there needs to be a consensus on wether or not votes by mail need be received by the day of the election. If you vote late and your vote isn't counted that's on YOU my friend. If you were so late in filling it out you take your ballot to the polls and drop it off or stand in line and vote traditionally Perhaps making votes by mail countable before the election to hasten the process should also be a national mandate? The reasons why Trump conceivably lost this election will be ongoing but I think "voter fraud" is a poor response to the loss of a hardly fought election much like the reported actions of the POTUS last night when he declared victory and accused the election of being stolen....again IMO not a great look. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Muppy said: Very refreshing to see a civil discourse in here today regardless oh which candidate you voted for. Some salient points on both sides. I love the idea of making the presidential election a national holiday so people have the option of voting at any time vs only when they aren't on the clock. I do think there needs to be a consensus on wether or not votes by mail need be received by the day of the election. If you vote late and your vote isn't counted that's on YOU my friend. If you were so late in filling it out you take your ballot to the polls and drop it off or stand in line and vote traditionally Perhaps making votes by mail countable before the election to hasten the process should also be a national mandate? The reasons why Trump conceivably lost this election will be ongoing but I think "voter fraud" is a poor response to the loss of a hardly fought election much like the reported actions of the POTUS last night when he declared victory and accused the election of being stolen....again IMO not a great look. The only mail in voting that should be going on is if your are disabled, or if you are in the military. You want to vote, get to your polling station. I have no problem keeping polling stations opened for a month, but you should have to be in person, with id to cast a vote. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 Erie, Pa went Democrat! Yes! Love Erie ❤️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, aristocrat said: arizona screwed up their reporting. many more votes to count. some people saying lots of trump counties to be reported and could tighten up no they didn’t lol its over bud. Arizona took notice of Trumps disrespect of McCain. He’s finished there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Back2Buff said: The only mail in voting that should be going on is if your are disabled, or if you are in the military. You want to vote, get to your polling station. I have no problem keeping polling stations opened for a month, but you should have to be in person, with id to cast a vote. I wouldnt have a problem with that at all in fact it seems very reasonable to me. Except if you are a snowbird and don't physically live in your registered state during the election then what......or if your health precludes you from going to a polling place...lots of good reasons to allow mail in voting exist. There has to be a compromise of some sort possible to satisfy the majority of voters. And if nothing else this election will bring forth changes I think that's a near lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Penfield45 said: no they didn’t lol its over bud. Arizona took notice of Trumps disrespect of McCain. He’s finished there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nkreed Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Muppy said: I do think there needs to be a consensus on wether or not votes by mail need be received by the day of the election. If you vote late and your vote isn't counted that's on YOU my friend. If you were so late in filling it out you take your ballot to the polls and drop it off or stand in line and vote traditionally With the amount of problems that can happen in the postal service, I respectfully disagree that votes must have been received by the deadline. I believe that requiring your mail in ballot be received by the election there are too many possibilities that can cause it to be late that are NOT on that voter. I believe it would be disenfranchisement to those who legally voted. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with use a postmark as your decision maker. In fact many federal and state legal processes use this as their determing factor for timeliness. It shouldn't change at the whim of a party. Also, those who vote by mail who would be forced to send their vote in earlier than the election day may miss important information that comes near the end of a campaign. 3 minutes ago, Muppy said: Perhaps making votes by mail countable before the election to hasten the process should also be a national mandate I would like to ask for clarification here: are you asking for reporting or just counting? 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: Thank you for sharing this tweet. That's why Trump's campaign is mad at the call by AP and Fox News. Even as such, it may not be enough, but who knows. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏽🤷🏿♂️ it's 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, nkreed said: With the amount of problems that can happen in the postal service, I respectfully disagree that votes must have been received by the deadline. I believe that requiring your mail in ballot be received by the election there are too many possibilities that can cause it to be late that are NOT on that voter. I believe it would be disenfranchisement to those who legally voted. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with use a postmark as your decision maker. In fact many federal and state legal processes use this as their determing factor for timeliness. It shouldn't change at the whim of a party. Also, those who vote by mail who would be forced to send their vote in earlier than the election day may miss important information that comes near the end of a campaign. I would like to ask for clarification here: are you asking for reporting or just counting? Point taken on the USPS I use their service neary daily as an ebay seller and trust me I know they are not faultless. But in my home state of Cali my vote was trackable to ensure it was counted. If mine wasn't counted Id want to know why and what I don't like is the delay in announcing a winner of the election waiting on votes that could be days late in arriving. In regards to the 2nd part I say counting and not reporting and have those votes tallied and ready to download into the final talleys asap once the polls close. Edited November 4, 2020 by Muppy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, nkreed said: With the amount of problems that can happen in the postal service, I respectfully disagree that votes must have been received by the deadline. I believe that requiring your mail in ballot be received by the election there are too many possibilities that can cause it to be late that are NOT on that voter. I believe it would be disenfranchisement to those who legally voted. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with use a postmark as your decision maker. In fact many federal and state legal processes use this as their determing factor for timeliness. It shouldn't change at the whim of a party. Also, those who vote by mail who would be forced to send their vote in earlier than the election day may miss important information that comes near the end of a campaign. I would like to ask for clarification here: are you asking for reporting or just counting? Thank you for sharing this tweet. That's why Trump's campaign is mad at the call by AP and Fox News. Even as such, it may not be enough, but who knows. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏽🤷🏿♂️ it's 2020. if i'm counting correctly roughly 500k votes remain and all the mail ins have been counted. trump down by 100k so the possibility exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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