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On 7/31/2020 at 4:42 PM, Don Otreply said:

I don’t think he will be effected in any negative fashion, Josh Allen has his eyes on the prize, if I can borrow such a historical phrase.

 
Go Bills!!!

How many will be affected? I feel that the Bill's are teed up very well but I can't get past, THIS SEASON. Stinkin covid

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34 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

How many will be affected? I feel that the Bill's are teed up very well but I can't get past, THIS SEASON. Stinkin covid

No doubt, it’s like the most Billsy damn thing right, Covid has tossed a wrench in the gears for sure, I’m keeping my fingers crossed that everyone comes out unscathed🤞

 

Go Bills!!!

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On 7/31/2020 at 2:08 PM, Alphadawg7 said:


Yeah saw this when it was first put out.  I’ve been saying If you take the deep ball struggles out, Allen was quite effective and accurate elsewhere.  And he showed strong improvement in the deep ball over the last part of the season compared to the significant struggle with it the first 2/3rds of the season.

 

And with a whole offseason to work on it, I am expecting even greater improvement there. 
 

I firmly believe Josh is poised for a great season.

In 2018 Josh threw bullets down field on every attempt. Last year he attempted a lot more lofted throws, which are needed to be a great pro. He was terrible at them early in year and just bad at end of year. If he can get average at it this year he will be a top 10 guy.

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On 7/31/2020 at 3:10 PM, Buffalo716 said:

I'm putting money on him the win MVP baby! 

 

 

Make that Super Bowl MVP, and sign me up!!! 

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2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Make that Super Bowl MVP, and sign me up!!! 

Since Jim Kelly. I've never had the feeling that a Bills quarterback could take us to the promised land

 

Josh Allen has changed all of that

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On 7/31/2020 at 2:55 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Josh is about to become a superstar

 

I'll be the first to admit I didn't really want him on draft night. I thought he had great talent but I didn't think we had the coaching staff to develop somebody like that

 

I was wrong and Im glad I was

This. I wasn’t very happy with the pick but the talent is undeniable. Thought a defensive HC, former WR coach as QBC and TE coach as OC was a recipe for disaster. Boy was I wrong. Josh still has work to do but I am glad he’s our QB. 

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Josh Allen is set up for another step forward with more talent around him... let's see if there is even a season this year

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On 7/31/2020 at 2:55 PM, Buffalo716 said:

Josh is about to become a superstar

 

I'll be the first to admit I didn't really want him on draft night. I thought he had great talent but I didn't think we had the coaching staff to develop somebody like that

 

I was wrong and Im glad I was

100% this was me.  I was a Baker fan. I liked Josh in the 2nd round. I am very happy I dont do QB evaluations for a living.....and will happily continue to eat crow!

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On 7/31/2020 at 6:42 PM, Don Otreply said:

I don’t think he will be effected in any negative fashion, Josh Allen has his eyes on the prize, if I can borrow such a historical phrase.

 
Go Bills!!!

 

This is why I'm a Josh believer. He had to fight to get to every level. Guys like him don't give up.

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On 7/31/2020 at 5:37 PM, Gene1973 said:

I wonder if a player like Allen will be helped or hurt that there are no fans.

 

Didn’t Josh play more efficiently on the road last year? Maybe playing in front of large and rabid home crowds works against him at this early stage of his career. Josh plays with such emotion, so having no fans at all to impress and who pump him up may force Josh to settle down and focus on the cerebral aspects of the position.

 

All this great discussion about Josh’s passing potential, but don’t forget his scrambling ability!! I really hope the additions of Diggs and Moss doesn’t mean Daboll will minimize such a unique game-breaking component to Josh’s game. It’s likely key for the offensive game plan to have him run about 5 times a game, whether improvised or drawn up that way.

 

Here’s my own representation of an ideal workload for Buffalo’s 2020 offense:

 

Allen: 5 rushes, 30 passes

Singletary: 15 rushes, 3 receiving targets

Moss: 10 rushes, 2 receiving targets

Knox: 4 targets

Beasley: 6 targets

Brown: 7 targets

Diggs: 8 targets

 

It’s equally balanced between running and passing, with a lovely pass distribution to keep defenses guessing. This should optimize everyone’s talent and give Josh his best chance for a Pro Bowl nomination.

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On 7/31/2020 at 11:59 PM, MJS said:

He was night and day different on the long throws after the Pats game. It's like he was scared to throw them and ALWAYS made sure to lead the receiver too much. He needs to get his confidence back and be willing to throw it where the receiver can catch it.

 

The good thing is his turnovers went way down after that game too, but he needs to really work on that area and be willing to give his receivers a fighting chance for the reception, especially Diggs who is great at contested catches.


One thing that always drive me nuts with ej was the ultra conservative long and outside placement on deep balls. it felt consistent enough to be the product of “put it where only your guy can make a play” coaching but resulted in rarely being able to make plays because it was so risk averse. 
 

I’m hopeful the josh will at some point really let it rip on these and expect a guy like diggs outmatch the corner on contested balls.

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3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:


One thing that always drive me nuts with ej was the ultra conservative long and outside placement on deep balls. it felt consistent enough to be the product of “put it where only your guy can make a play” coaching but resulted in rarely being able to make plays because it was so risk averse. 
 

I’m hopeful the josh will at some point really let it rip on these and expect a guy like diggs outmatch the corner on contested balls.

 

There was definitely a bit of that in the run between Pats 1 and Cleveland. Most people had Pats 1 as Josh's worst game of the season. I didn't, I had the Browns because it was the nadir for conservative Josh. They had stressed limiting turnovers to an extent after New England that the decisive, rhythm passing we saw in the first 3 games had given way to a tentative, ball holding, conservative Quarterback. Against the Browns he was Tyrodish. There were open Bills receivers running free and Josh was not trusting his eyes and was holding the ball, double clutching..... it was ugly. He didn't have many bad throws that night.... but you always miss the plays you don't attempt and had Josh made 2 or 3 simple plays that were there to be made we would have won that game. 

 

Credit to McDermott and the play fearless mantra that followed because Josh got back to being more of a gunslinger after that. Josh might not win us a Superbowl as a gunslinger, maybe he will always make too many mistakes playing that way.... but I guarantee he will never win us one as a dink and dunk, cautious Quarterback. It just isn't who he is and that style of football doesn't suit him. He needs the ball in his hands, coaches who trust him to throw and the license to go off script when the situation demands it. If Josh is going to be a superstar.... and while I am not as sold as some others I am encouraged by his direction of travel... then that is the only way it happens. 

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It’s put up or shut up.  Sick of the excuses.  He’s the highest drafted qb in franchise history.  If this guy can’t get to 60% passing (average) for the first time in his entire career, he’s not the guy.

 

no more hearing about everyone around him suck; his college coach (Carson Wentz’ coach) didn’t prepare him; it get s windy and cold; etc. etc.  Be a guy who can win from pocket and do it consistently.  

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

There was definitely a bit of that in the run between Pats 1 and Cleveland. Most people had Pats 1 as Josh's worst game of the season. I didn't, I had the Browns because it was the nadir for conservative Josh. They had stressed limiting turnovers to an extent after New England that the decisive, rhythm passing we saw in the first 3 games had given way to a tentative, ball holding, conservative Quarterback. Against the Browns he was Tyrodish. There were open Bills receivers running free and Josh was not trusting his eyes and was holding the ball, double clutching..... it was ugly. He didn't have many bad throws that night.... but you always miss the plays you don't attempt and had Josh made 2 or 3 simple plays that were there to be made we would have won that game. 

 

Credit to McDermott and the play fearless mantra that followed because Josh got back to being more of a gunslinger after that. Josh might not win us a Superbowl as a gunslinger, maybe he will always make too many mistakes playing that way.... but I guarantee he will never win us one as a dink and dunk, cautious Quarterback. It just isn't who he is and that style of football doesn't suit him. He needs the ball in his hands, coaches who trust him to throw and the license to go off script when the situation demands it. If Josh is going to be a superstar.... and while I am not as sold as some others I am encouraged by his direction of travel... then that is the only way it happens. 

It’s so tricky though. Personally, I want to see if he can win games with his arm.  At the same point, they win a lot of games by basically not having the offense screw up, defense keep the game close, and get a late score to win.  I remember waiting to turn JP Losman loose and then it became clear turning him loose resulted in a lot of terrible plays. 
 

The Bills can win a lot of games with average to below average qb play.  I just want for the first time in a long time (I think Fitz did a few times), for us to leave a game and say man did our qb single handedly win us that game.

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16 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s put up or shut up.  Sick of the excuses.  He’s the highest drafted qb in franchise history.  If this guy can’t get to 60% passing (average) for the first time in his entire career, he’s not the guy.

 

no more hearing about everyone around him suck; his college coach (Carson Wentz’ coach) didn’t prepare him; it get s windy and cold; etc. etc.  Be a guy who can win from pocket and do it consistently.  

 

blah blah blah; you're like a broken record who repeats the same "Sick of excuses;  60% threshold) every thread about the QB.  We know this from you, and we also know you think he is a "Nice Guy"; and we also know you treat a career 59% passer as a God in these forums.  

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18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

 

It’s so tricky though. Personally, I want to see if he can win games with his arm.  At the same point, they win a lot of games by basically not having the offense screw up, defense keep the game close, and get a late score to win.  I remember waiting to turn JP Losman loose and then it became clear turning him loose resulted in a lot of terrible plays. 
 

The Bills can win a lot of games with average to below average qb play.  I just want for the first time in a long time (I think Fitz did a few times), for us to leave a game and say man did our qb single handedly win us that game.

 

I agree. I have no interest in hiding our Quarterback. Some of the folks who are on to Daboll to run it more want that because it removes any chance of Josh failing. I am not interested in that and more critically it is not who he is. He is a bad Quarterback in a run, run, pass, rinse and repeat offense. All QBs are better in rhythm but at this point the difference with Josh is more pronounced than most. He wants the ball in his hands. I think he is better that way. If they just want to ask Josh not to screw up I am not sure we will ever really find out who he is. Let the kid throw. 

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The following is a list of the top 10 players that when they're on TV, you MUST watch. 

 

In no particular order:

 

Mahomes 

Lamar 

Aaron Donald 

Josh Allen 

Watson 

Saquan 

Derek Henry

Christian McCaffrey 

Quenton Nelson (oline bias but its fact)

Russel Wilson 

 

 

Who would you take out and put in?

 

 

 

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On 8/3/2020 at 10:32 AM, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s put up or shut up.  Sick of the excuses.  He’s the highest drafted qb in franchise history.  If this guy can’t get to 60% passing (average) for the first time in his entire career, he’s not the guy.

 

I know some Bills Fans really hate the completion % stuff, but if we had a QB that was 70% and the Jets had Allen and his 59%, those same fans would be using it as ammo against him and rationale for why the Jets will suck until he's replaced. 

 

In this day and age, you really want your QB to be a well rounded passer, which includes at a min high 60's in terms of completion percentage. Otherwise, more playoff loses etc.

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On 8/3/2020 at 4:55 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree. I have no interest in hiding our Quarterback. Some of the folks who are on to Daboll to run it more want that because it removes any chance of Josh failing. I am not interested in that and more critically it is not who he is. He is a bad Quarterback in a run, run, pass, rinse and repeat offense. All QBs are better in rhythm but at this point the difference with Josh is more pronounced than most. He wants the ball in his hands. I think he is better that way. If they just want to ask Josh not to screw up I am not sure we will ever really find out who he is. Let the kid throw. 

Ridiculous. Find one person who feels this way.

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3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Ridiculous. Find one person who feels this way.

 

I can't remember the poster's name but there is a guy all season who has been advocating we develop Josh like the Ravens developed Joe Flacco with a run heavy offense and limiting him to 20 throws a game. 

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I can't remember the poster's name but there is a guy all season who has been advocating we develop Josh like the Ravens developed Joe Flacco with a run heavy offense and limiting him to 20 throws a game. 

People don't like Daboll because he does weird ***** at bad times and can't put a whole game together successfully. Which is a large reason we lost a chance last year at advancing to divisional round in AFC. THAT'S why people don't like Daboll. It has nothing to do with 'removing any chance of Josh failing'. To insinuate that there are people who dislike Daboll because they're more concerned with being right on Allen than the success of the team...that sounds like projecting if you ask me. 

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