Black Lives Matter Messaging at "The Stadium"

[dwight in philly]

10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I guess some fascists don't think they're bad people after all

5 - 4- 3--2-1.. Racist next?

Edited July 31, 2020 by dwight in philly

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

So, just to be clear: you are in favor of unmarked federal forces putting protestors — and make no mistake, many of those being taken ARE peaceful protestors — into unmarked rental vans, without reading them their rights? You’re on board with that?

 

I want to see them taking straight up peaceful protesters. My mama always said you are who you hang out with

 

Maybe peaceful protesters shouldn't be hanging out with rioters. I have not seen one instance of a completely peaceful organized protest, where unmarked Vans are snatching up protesters

 

Peaceful protest have always been extremely organized in this country. Now they're turning into mobs and looting. Bad apples ruin things for everybody

 

 

[dwight in philly]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

 

If you don’t see how using a secret police force to quash dissent and to physically attack press and medics — not to mention threatening to delay an election — are fascist tactics, I can’t help you. Go read a history book.

Any particular one? 

[CEN-CAL17]

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

So, just to be clear: you are in favor of unmarked federal forces putting protestors — and make no mistake, many of those being taken ARE peaceful protestors — into unmarked rental vans, without reading them their rights? You’re on board with that?

Should the FBI, undercover cops, and other agencies drive around in big cars with lights and sirens etc? 
 

how do you know their rights weren’t read in the van? You act as if they were just driving around snatching people up. Yeah they were snatching people up, those that were rioting and inciting violence against federal agencies which is 100% against the law.

 

You obviously side with the Chaos vs civilians of the city, business owners etc who want law and order restored in their communities. You need to understand there is nothing anyone can say or do to stop these people. Thousands of them are being paid and receiving guidance to continue this anarchy in the name of this election. Nobody should support that!!!

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I want to see them taking straight up peaceful protesters. My mama always said you are who you hang out with

 

Maybe peaceful protesters shouldn't be hanging out with rioters. I have not seen one instance of a completely peaceful organized protest, where unmarked Vans are snatching up protesters

 

Peaceful protest have always been extremely organized in this country. Now they're turning into mobs and looting. Bad apples ruin things for everybody

 

 

So, they "deserved it" then?

[PetermansRedemption]

I feel like this should probably be moved to the politics forum or, at the very least, off the wall?

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Don't pull your back trying to defend this.

1. Paintballs? That was a turn I did not see coming.

2. The article itself states that a small group began throwing rocks, waterbottles, bricks, etc. at officers.

3. Detained and abducted are very different things. Also, I believe the agency clarified that they were questioning specific people based on evidence of crimes committed in the days prior.

4. Ignored lawful orders to disperse, though admittedly more aggressive than expected at first glance. Not sure if there's more there or not.

5. Lots of one perspective there and I'd need to dig into it further. 

6. I assume this is the same as #2, but from another source?

[BullBuchanan]

A bunch of folks here would probably have their worldview shattered if they knew the founding fathers were big time fan-girls of Thomas More's Utopia, Including Jefferson, Adams and Madsion: https://scholarlycommons.pacific.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1009&context=utopia500

[Logic]

1 minute ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Should the FBI, undercover cops, and other agencies drive around in big cars with lights and sirens etc? 
 

how do you know their rights weren’t read in the van? You act as if they were just driving around snatching people up. Yeah they were snatching people up, those that were rioting and inciting violence against federal agencies which is 100% against the law.

 

You obviously side with the Chaos vs civilians of the city, business owners etc who want law and order restored in their communities. You need to understand there is nothing anyone can say or do to stop these people. Thousands of them are being paid and receiving guidance to continue this anarchy in the name of this election. Nobody should support that!!!

 

You don’t actually believe this, do you?

[CEN-CAL17]

Just now, Logic said:

 

You don’t actually believe this, do you?

Believe what? What I wrote? Is this because you don’t believe it? So know where do we stand. You’re right and I’m wrong? 
 

Got it....

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I want to see them taking straight up peaceful protesters. My mama always said you are who you hang out with

 

Maybe peaceful protesters shouldn't be hanging out with rioters. I have not seen one instance of a completely peaceful organized protest, where unmarked Vans are snatching up protesters

 

Peaceful protest have always been extremely organized in this country. Now they're turning into mobs and looting. Bad apples ruin things for everybody

 

 

 

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1286715180106371072

 

This dancing lady with flowers really had it comin’.

2 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Believe what? What I wrote? Is this because you don’t believe it? So know where do we stand. You’re right and I’m wrong? 
 

Got it....

 

That there are “thousands of” protestors being coached and paid, with the purpose of affecting the election. 

 

Do do you actually believe that?

[BullBuchanan]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

1. Paintballs? That was a turn I did not see coming.

2. The article itself states that a small group began throwing rocks, waterbottles, bricks, etc. at officers.

3. Detained and abducted are very different things. Also, I believe the agency clarified that they were questioning specific people based on evidence of crimes committed in the days prior.

4. Ignored lawful orders to disperse, though admittedly more aggressive than expected at first glance. Not sure if there's more there or not.

5. Lots of one perspective there and I'd need to dig into it further. 

6. I assume this is the same as #2, but from another source?

You do understand these aren't "paintballs" you used when you were a kid right?

Police shot this guy int he head with a tear gas canister. they are using non-lethal weapons to try to harm people: 

Cops bragging: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-police-video-black-lives-matter-protests-rubber-bullets-a9598361.html?jwsource=cl

 

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[CEN-CAL17]

21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m actually shocked you used the right form of you’re.  You aren’t as dumb as I thought. Still not smart but good job with basic grammar. 

That’s cool. Were you born in 97? Is that why you have nothing better?

 

Is that why you are smarter than me? Or you’re always right... or just not open minded? Or is your view always the most logical? Or do you just support the objectives of the BLM organization?

 

Not everyone is going to agree with you. If you support the BLM organization and the lives of Black people too that’s fine. But it’s two different topics all together. One has no business in sports is my point. My opinion, not yours. But if you can’t accept other people’s opinions then that’s a lot bigger problem than correcting or looking for grammatical errors.

5 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1286715180106371072

 

This dancing lady with flowers really had it comin’.

 

That there are “thousands of” protestors being coached and paid, with the purpose of affecting the election. 

 

Do do you actually believe that?

Yes I do. Can I prove it? No. But I do think money drives a lot of things in this world. I do believe there are individuals buying things, gear, helping coerce meetings Etc.... you may be thinking Billionaires are forking our money to drive the violence. Who knows.... what I do believe though is there are many individuals with money, paying people to get this, do that, meet up here and support these events. Absolutely.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, CEN-CAL17 said:

That’s cool. Were you born in 97? Is that why you have nothing better?

 

Is that why you are smarter than me? Or you’re always right... or just not open minded? Or is your view always the most logical? Or do you just support the objectives of the BLM organization?

 

Not everyone is going to agree with you. If you support the BLM organization and the lives of Black people too that’s fine. But it’s two different topics all together. One has no business in sports is my point. My opinion, not yours. But if you can’t accept other people’s opinions then that’s a lot bigger problem than correcting or looking for grammatical errors.

But you think it's ok to abduct and assault people that have a different opinion than you, i.e protesters?

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

 

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1286715180106371072

 

This dancing lady with flowers really had it comin’.

 

That there are “thousands of” protestors being coached and paid, with the purpose of affecting the election. 

 

Do do you actually believe that?

That's not protesting. She's literally trying to incite them

 

Is it right? No. But I didn't see her get snatched into a van. She could have been released 5 minutes later

 

That is not protesting tho, she was trying to stir a reaction, clear as day. She followed the troops

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

That’s cool. Were you born in 97? Is that why you have nothing better?

 

Is that why you are smarter than me? Or you’re always right... or just not open minded? Or is your view always the most logical? Or do you just support the objectives of the BLM organization?

 

Not everyone is going to agree with you. If you support the BLM organization and the lives of Black people too that’s fine. But it’s two different topics all together. One has no business in sports is my point. My opinion, not yours. But if you can’t accept other people’s opinions then that’s a lot bigger problem than correcting or looking for grammatical errors.

Yes I do. Can I prove it? No. But I do think money drives a lot of things in this world. I do believe there are individuals buying things, gear, helping coerce meetings Etc.... you may be thinking Billionaires are forking our money to drive the violence. Who knows.... what I do believe though is there are many individuals with money, paying people to get this, do that, meet up here and support these events. Absolutely.

Do you think it's possible that police have aligned with far-right groups?

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

That's not protesting. She's literally trying to incite them

 

Is it right? No. But I didn't see her get snatched into a van. She could have been released 5 minutes later

 

That is not protesting tho, she was trying to stir a reaction, clear as day. She followed the troops

So, you're saying she deserved it?

[CEN-CAL17]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

But you think it's ok to abduct and assault people that have a different opinion than you, i.e protesters?

Protesters or people rioting? 
 

were these people really abducted and assaulted? Or were that apprehended and taken away to be held accountable?

 

Im 100% for peaceful protests. These people that were apprehended were breaking the law which is not protected under the constitution. If it were cop cars that would be ok? Well they would 1. Run if they saw the cop car or 2. The cop car would be attacked. Does that make it ok to break the law.  I’m sorry you don’t agree with the tactic but it’s getting people who are breaking the law off the street. And that’s bad. 
 

We can agree to disagree 

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Protesters or people rioting? 
 

were these people really abducted and assaulted? Or were that apprehended and taken away to be held accountable?

 

Im 100% for peaceful protests. These people that were apprehended were breaking the law which is not protected under the constitution. If it were cop cars that would be ok? Well they would 1. Run if they saw the cop car or 2. The cop car would be attacked. Does that make it ok to break the law.  I’m sorry you don’t agree with the tactic but it’s getting people who are breaking the law off the street. And that’s bad. 
 

We can agree to disagree 

Protesters. 

What do you describe as the difference between an innocent person accused of no crime being "abducted" vs "apprehended and taken away"?

This is false in the cases I documented. Most of the people abducted are never even charged with a crime. If you claim different I want sources. otherwise your statement is a lie.

Edited July 31, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[BuffaloHokie13]

10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

You do understand these aren't "paintballs" you used when you were a kid right?

Police shot this guy int he head with a tear gas canister. they are using non-lethal weapons to try to harm people: 

Cops bragging: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-police-video-black-lives-matter-protests-rubber-bullets-a9598361.html?jwsource=cl

Look, I'm not going to take it any further because it's incredibly clear you have no interest in engaging. The thread's way off course at this point anyway. You completely ignored the receipts part of my original requests and pasted the expected stories that omit the exact context I referenced. I rebut and you seemingly accept all but 1. Some cops are bad and don't deserve to be cops. Hopefully when they show their colors they are held accountable for their actions. Many of the scenarios being presented are being framed a specific way intentionally, however. The country isn't fascist. Try to dial down the hysterics. If things were actually as you describe there would be no need to remove context or sensationalize the events. Have a good day and go Bills. 

3 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Protesters. 

What do you describe as the difference between an innocent person accused of no crime being "abducted" vs "apprehended and taken away"?

This is false in the cases I documented. Most of the people abducted are never even charged with a crime. If you claim different I want sources. otherwise your statement is a lie.

They are suspected of a crime, questioned, and released. That isn't abduction.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Look, I'm not going to take it any further because it's incredibly clear you have no interest in engaging. The thread's way off course at this point anyway. You completely ignored the receipts part of my original requests and pasted the expected stories that omit the exact context I referenced. I rebut and you seemingly accept all but 1. Some cops are bad and don't deserve to be cops. Hopefully when they show their colors they are held accountable for their actions. Many of the scenarios being presented are being framed a specific way intentionally, however. The country isn't fascist. Try to dial down the hysterics. If things were actually as you describe there would be no need to remove context or sensationalize the events. Have a good day and go Bills. 

I gave you everything you asked for and you promptly ignored it or spun it to fit your narrative, as predicted.

"yea well, they deserved it." 

[Mr Info]

So...has anyone taken pics of the Bills video boards to post here showing this?

[CEN-CAL17]

17 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Protesters. 

Half these people have no purpose to be protesting other than they don’t like the police. So they get in their face, try to instigate a reaction, follow their movements etc.... then when something happens everyone blames the police. That’s not how it works. That’s not protesting. That’s not the right way to do anything. 
 

What happened to that crazy girl dressed up like an idiot, probably on drugs, dancing in the middle of a people barricade, making movements towards them as the were moving is just not protesting. It’s trying to escalate a reaction. I don’t think it’s necessarily rioting but I don’t have a problem with law enforcement thinking if you get to close to a building they are protecting they have the right to react. 
 

This is all dumb and childish at this point. These idiots in Portland have contributed nothing to this country ever. A very large portion of those individuals are homeless addicts that blame this country for all there problems. This is how they act and I’m sick of people defending this BS behavior. If my kids were to ever act like that..... nobody raises there kids to act that way. But so many people think it’s ok. Then raise them like that and see how successful they turn out...  You don’t see people who are actually law abiding, successful individuals out there acting like that. It’s disgusting and isn’t protesting, it’s just not....

 

 

“for just being here” “peacefully protesting”........ all hopped up on drugs.... these are things people aren’t  seeing.  Look “dude got shot up for no reason”..... don’t believe it.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by CEN-CAL17

[SectionC3]

9 minutes ago, Mr Info said:

So...has anyone taken pics of the Bills video boards to post here showing this?

Yup.  Earlier in the thread. 

[CEN-CAL17]

31 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Protesters. 

What do you describe as the difference between an innocent person accused of no crime being "abducted" vs "apprehended and taken away"?

This is false in the cases I documented. Most of the people abducted are never even charged with a crime. If you claim different I want sources. otherwise your statement is a lie.

Just because they aren’t charged with a crime doesn’t mean they didn’t actually commit a crime.

 

You want me to prove something I can’t but yet you can’t prove anything yourself. Not what you read from a liberal source, or this was said etc... because you read something or have a case “you documented” that proves nothing. But what I say is a lie and you have all the facts. Got it. Keep up the good work. Federal agents are just driving the streets and abducting people. That’s crazy. I don’t believe it lol

 

just like this dude got assaulted and shot for no reason.... document that as an unwarranted assault.

 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by CEN-CAL17

[KD in CA]

2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Is that not possible?

 

Not if we're talking about human beings it's not.

[BullBuchanan]

41 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Half these people have no purpose to be protesting other than they don’t like the police. So they get in their face, try to instigate a reaction, follow their movements etc.... then when something happens everyone blames the police. That’s not how it works. That’s not protesting. That’s not the right way to do anything. 
 

What happened to that crazy girl dressed up like an idiot, probably on drugs, dancing in the middle of a people barricade, making movements towards them as the were moving is just not protesting. It’s trying to escalate a reaction. I don’t think it’s necessarily rioting but I don’t have a problem with law enforcement thinking if you get to close to a building they are protecting they have the right to react. 
 

This is all dumb and childish at this point. These idiots in Portland have contributed nothing to this country ever. A very large portion of those individuals are homeless addicts that blame this country for all there problems. This is how they act and I’m sick of people defending this BS behavior. If my kids were to ever act like that..... nobody raises there kids to act that way. But so many people think it’s ok. Then raise them like that and see how successful they turn out...  You don’t see people who are actually law abiding, successful individuals out there acting like that. It’s disgusting and isn’t protesting, it’s just not....

 

 

“for just being here” “peacefully protesting”........ all hopped up on drugs.... these are things people aren’t  seeing.  Look “dude got shot up for no reason”..... don’t believe it.

 

 

 

 

Half?
Is it not valid to protest because you don't like the police? Is that not their constitutional right?

I don't like the police either. 

BTW, Blaze is a propaganda network, not a news source : https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-blaze/

Edited July 31, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[KD in CA]

12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

Why not? You don't believe in unions or collective bargaining? You don't think plumbers, electricians, welders, glass workers, etc. should have people fighting on their behalf for overtime, pensions, healthcare and safe work conditions?

 

Oh....that's all you want out of Marxism, labor unions?  Nothing else?    That's funny, we have labor unions right now without the Marxism.  The corruption created between them and certain politicians are busy bankrupting state governments across the country.

[WEATHER DOT COM]

56 minutes ago, Mr Info said:

So...has anyone taken pics of the Bills video boards to post here showing this?

 

It got drowned out by the noise and people who are afraid to say black lives matter.

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, KD in CA said:

 

Oh....that's all you want out of Marxism, labor unions?  Nothing else?    That's funny, we have labor unions right now without the Marxism.  The corruption created between them and certain politicians are busy bankrupting state governments across the country.

No, but it's part of it. I don't advocate for going all the way to "the dream" , but I do see many positive aspects of Social Democracy on our society and others, and would generally favor something closer aligned to Market Socialism.

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

It got drowned out by the noise and people who are afraid to say black lives matter.

Of course they matter

 

I didn't see anyone say they haven't in this thread 

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Of course they matter

 

I didn't see anyone say they haven't in this thread 

Unless we're talking about being assaulted, killed or abducted by police. Then they still matter, but not as much as the police.

lots of "unfortunate" incidents.

Edited July 31, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[SectionC3]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Unless we're talking about being assaulted, killed or abducted by police. Then they still matter, but not as much as the police.

lots of "unfortunate" incidents.

 

And this is why the signage is important.  There are people on the Bills who completely agree with you.  And that agreement is based on valid points and criticisms.  So if one is against a "Black Lives Matter" message at the stadium, I suspect that one also is anti-Bills.  

 

The message is good for football, it's good for business, and it's good for everyone who lives and loves the Bills.  It's important that we all recognize that. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Of course they matter

 

I didn't see anyone say they haven't in this thread 

 

Then why did the discussion turn away from the message on the billboard and it's relation to the team and the Pegulas to Marxism and Blaze TV??

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Then why did the discussion turn away from the message on the billboard and it's relation to the team and the Pegulas to Marxism and Blaze TV??

Because we whataboutismed our way there. Apparently calling someone a marxist is enough to discredit anything they ever say as wrong, according to some here.

We could have ignored that, but instead we explored it and went on to prove why that's not a valid excuse.

Edited July 31, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[WEATHER DOT COM]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Because we whataboutismed our way there. Apparently calling someone a marxist is enough to discredit anything they ever say as wrong, according to some here.

 

Will Bills fans be screaming at players like Ed Oliver and Josh Norman that they are marxists because they support BLM?

 

I would be shocked.

Edited July 31, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA

[dwight in philly]

40 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Half?
Is it not valid to protest because you don't like the police? Is that not their constitutional right?

I don't like the police either. 

BTW, Blaze is a propaganda network, not a news source : https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-blaze/

Blaze tv is a propaganda network ? based on the BS "fact check" source ? pathetic . let me go find a BS conservative "fact check" and plug in CNN. ABC. MSNBC .. 

Edited July 31, 2020 by dwight in philly

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Then why did the discussion turn away from the message on the billboard and it's relation to the team and the Pegulas to Marxism and Blaze TV??

Because the actual blm movement does not care about all black people

 

There are people murdering right-wing black Trump supporters. Blm does not care about them

 

Nor do they care about the black police officers killed by criminals

 

Every single black person's life matters

Edited July 31, 2020 by Buffalo716

[BullBuchanan]

3 minutes ago, dwight in philly said:

Blaze tv is a propaganda network ? based on the BS "fact check" source ? pathetic . let me go find a BS conservative "fact check" and plug in CNN. ABC. MSNBC .. 

Why is the fact check BS?

[CEN-CAL17]

49 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Half?
Is it not valid to protest because you don't like the police? Is that not their constitutional right?

I don't like the police either. 

BTW, Blaze is a propaganda network, not a news source : https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-blaze/

Just stop. You think it’s protesting and I don’t. Fine. That doesn’t make either of us right.

 

and I don’t care who posted the video. The point is the dude acted as if he wasn’t doing nothing. Just like a lot of other people think. “They’re just protesting”.... dude was caught lying, video saw him jump a police barricade, fuel a fire and was shot.

 

Meanwhile the girl acted like he didn’t do anything wrong. BS. If you agree with it, so be it. If you think breaking the law and inciting violence in the name of “protest” is fine, so be it. Is BS and it’s a bunch of losers with nothing better to do, cause obviously they can’t figure out what peaceful protest means. Cause what he was doing says nothing of peaceful protest.

 

BTW how are you going to argue this dude was caught red handed and screamed the cops assaulted him?! How is that propaganda? 

Edited July 31, 2020 by CEN-CAL17

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Not sure if this article has been posted... awesome statement by Kim who admits what many of us who are not black refuse to

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/why-buffalo-bills-chose-to-publicly-support-black-lives-matter/article_b2024f56-d057-5d94-bdfb-538891f94c53.html

 

Honestly, I was probably one of those in the past that said, well, ‘All Lives Matter,’ ” Kim Pegula said. “And I’m now learning that ‘Black Lives Matter’ does not mean that other lives don’t matter. All they’re doing is highlighting that the black community are lives and should also be considered …

 

“And so I’m hoping that others, too, will take the time to say, ‘OK, what does that mean?’ ”

 

As for Bills fans who say they’re offended and will no longer support the team?

 

“All we can say is they have to do what they feel is right for them,” Kim Pegula said. “We would hate to see them go, because I think football can actually help us come together. But that’s a choice I can’t control.”

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by wAcKy ZeBrA