Tiberius Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Also, I’ll fully admit, this is my own opinion. I’m not trying to demand and shout down other ideologies like those on the left. I’ll put my opinion out there and let the best idea and understanding win. It’s not so just because you say it is. I’ll challenge you to give me your reasoning on it. I did, it's like saying he doesn't belong. He was illegal. Smear. Why do you think Trump went on and on with it for so long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The money supply has proven itself to be pretty flexible. When the Dems do get hold of power, health care will be expanded, and those benefitting the most might just be rural whites. And there it is! The Holy Grail....universal healthcare. 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: I did, it's like saying he doesn't belong. He was illegal. Smear. Why do you think Trump went on and on with it for so long? The issue was there for so long because, EXACTLY like Trump’s tax returns, for years Obama refused to provide evidence of a birth certificate. However tax returns are not a prerequisite to becoming president. A birth certificate is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: And there it is! The Holy Grail....universal healthcare. Basic human right But to the right, it's tyranny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Looks like all the libs slept through elementary school. Especially the day where they were supposed listen to The Boy Who Cried Wolf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Basic human right But to the right, it's tyranny Nonsense. The debate is whether it’s the government’s role to PROVIDE your basic human rights or rather to ensure that those rights are not WITHHELD from you. The left believes it’s the former, the right believes it’s the latter. That’s it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Nonsense. The debate is whether it’s the government’s role to PROVIDE your basic human rights or rather to ensure that those rights are not WITHHELD from you. The left believes it’s the former, the right believes it’s the latter. That’s it! So yes, Dems will increase health care, how terrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: So yes, Dems will increase health care, how terrible! More accurately....They will federalize health care and to do so they’ll be forced to water it down in order to spread it across a larger set of customers, not ‘increase it’. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 19 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So yes, Dems will increase health care, how terrible! Do you seriously want the government to control your health care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: Do you seriously want the government to control your health care? ...why not?...they did a fabulous job crafting HillaryCare and rushing it to market as Obama's.....politicians writing health care coverage...makes perfect sense.......honorable mention to how well they've done with Medicare and Social Security..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: Do you seriously want the government to control your health care? Just how bad is it that the government has increased the availability of heath care to hundreds of millions of people? We are worse off because of that? Funny how countries with universal health care never vote to get rid of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Just how bad is it that the government has increased the availability of heath care to hundreds of millions of people? We are worse off because of that? Funny how countries with universal health care never vote to get rid of it. ...funny how costly it is as well as huge wait times.......why don't you ask a cross section of US professionals in the health care field as to their opinion on government run health care?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Why bring up concentration camps in relation to the Democratic party? That's no different than John C Calhoun saying that if the slaves were freed the whites would then be slaves in the 1850s. Has a democratically elected government, of long standing, ever degenerated into a communist dictorship with concentration camps? I didn’t, I brought up a book that talks about how they actually came to be in the gulags. Those who had their own farms or small businesses were seen as successful and thus we called Kulags because they were part of the problem. They were publicly shamed and then through into the gulags, those who were seen as successful. These were not CEOs of companies or the elite. Just everyday middle class people who were made into a characature of “the other” to desensitize the people who were uprising against this characature. To be able to let the die or kill these people, including the mothers and babies. “The other” is being created now at a fever pitch thanks to social media. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: So yes, Dems will increase health care, how terrible! Increase healthcare? What the ***** does that even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: Increase healthcare? What the ***** does that even mean? You can't decipher useless slogans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...funny how costly it is as well as huge wait times.......why don't you ask a cross section of US professionals in the health care field as to their opinion on government run health care?.... 44 million Americans are uninsured, and eight out of ten of these are workers or their dependents. Why is being uninsured a problem? About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. https://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html#:~:text=44 million Americans are uninsured,million have inadequate health insurance. These are the working poor who earn too much to qualify for medicaid but can't afford insurance.( Not sure if that is a up to date number) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, ALF said: 44 million Americans are uninsured, and eight out of ten of these are workers or their dependents. Why is being uninsured a problem? About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. https://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html#:~:text=44 million Americans are uninsured,million have inadequate health insurance. These are the working poor who earn too much to qualify for medicaid but can't afford insurance.( Not sure if that is a up to date number) ...so then explain to me how in NYS you can babble about uninsured?.....or in other states for that matter?.....OR....the BILLIONS written off annually by hospitals for treating uninsureds as they cannot be denied?...... "Last year’s (2019) state-funded (NY) Medicaid spending, which was officially booked at $21.7 billion, would have been $23.4 billion had the March payments been made on schedule – and would have far exceeded the statutory “global cap” on the program’s growth." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Just how bad is it that the government has increased the availability of heath care to hundreds of millions of people? We are worse off because of that? Funny how countries with universal health care never vote to get rid of it. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Link? 200,000,000? 300,000,000? 500,000,000? Wait...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Link? ...you'll have to wait.....he's at church asking for forgiveness (good luck)................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, ALF said: 44 million Americans are uninsured, and eight out of ten of these are workers or their dependents. Why is being uninsured a problem? About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance. https://www.pbs.org/healthcarecrisis/uninsured.html#:~:text=44 million Americans are uninsured,million have inadequate health insurance. These are the working poor who earn too much to qualify for medicaid but can't afford insurance.( Not sure if that is a up to date number) Wasn’t the ACA supposed to take care of this problem? What happened?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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