SoCal Deek Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, Warren Zevon said: I wish they had access to affordable child care too - I'm glad we're in the same corner on these things. I wish everyone had access to affordable everything...but I’m an adult and realize that’s not possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Just now, 4merper4mer said: Why was that necessary? Well-armed militia. I got this one. And to the framers, well-armed militia meant the possession of muskets and like instruments. Enjoy your textualist approach to the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: Well-armed militia. I got this one. And to the framers, well-armed militia meant the possession of muskets and like instruments. Enjoy your textualist approach to the Constitution. Yes because the framers were very much living in the moment. They gave no thought at all to the past or the future while framing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: You explained your situation and I can see why you made that choice, given where you were living. I might do the same in that situation. Don't take things so personally. I even cited the idea of locale in my post, though I (now correctly) assumed that you live in a low crime neighborhood, at least with respect to violent crime. Still, there are many, many folks all over the map who use the same exact reasoning with no basis for it at all. It's the most common answer given always. So many many people state part of the reason for the Second Amendment is not for themselves but so people who live in high crime areas, such as Oakland, can protect themselves? That was a real concern when I lived there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Guns are great but they're not going to save my life and anybody holding onto a gun thinking it's going to save their life is living in a fantasy world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Guns are great but they're not going to save my life and anybody holding onto a gun thinking it's going to save their life is living in a fantasy world. Says the man permanently connected to his bong. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Says the man permanently connected to his bong. ? Seriously - what kind of business do you own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Yes because the framers were very much living in the moment. They gave no thought at all to the past or the future while framing. Tell that to all of the folks who complain about the constitutional protections for abortion. The penumbra apparently applies to the 2A, but not elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Seriously - what kind of business do you own? I’m the CEO of a multi million dollar architectural firm....and you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m the CEO of a multi million dollar architectural firm....and you? Nice - my wife gets AD in the mail every month. I own a seasonal business that luckily allows me to live above my means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 25 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Guns are great but they're not going to save my life and anybody holding onto a gun thinking it's going to save their life is living in a fantasy world. This woman might disagree with you. https://disrn.com/news/65-year-old-tx-woman-shoots-home-invader-dead-after-he-choked-her-73-year-old-husband-unconscious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gary M said: This woman might disagree with you. https://disrn.com/news/65-year-old-tx-woman-shoots-home-invader-dead-after-he-choked-her-73-year-old-husband-unconscious Nice shot grandma! She rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Tell that to all of the folks who complain about the constitutional protections for abortion. The penumbra apparently applies to the 2A, but not elsewhere. That's some pretty haphazard flailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 8 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said: I provided links and another poster provided the second part up-thread. I just want to add that, in my opinion, the problem is, as many here are often eager to point out, the media. Many of these crimes, just like child abductions and other evil schitt are sensationalized in the media and dominate news cycles because that leads to clicks. You see it all the time, but it doesn't happen very often at all. I was surprised by the numbers as well. I did assume that the numbers would be relatively low, but not that low. Yes, this was one of your links: 2015: 102 Burglary Homocides https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/expanded_homicide_data_table_10_murder_circumstances_by_relationship_2015.xls Pretty slick. Did you actually think you could get that one by me? Of course there won't be as many homos killed in a burglary as normal people. Did you count how many of them got slapped to death? Your long term absence has affected your posting skills. While you never were the best, at least you used to be able to keep up with Crayonz. Not to upset your self of steam but you might need to get yourself some Super Beets and Ginkgo Biloba in order to keep up with the rest of us. Just stay away from TH3's magical elixir that not only kills all viruses but can put a really nice shine on the glass walls of an aquarium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: Why do you think the second amendment is part of the Bill of Rights? So that you could sport your "Sun's Out, Gun's Out" tank top and show off all that hard work? Or was it to protect my family from home invaders? Actually, I believe it was so that the militia could be called upon to defend the country in times of need. Totally relevant today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: That's some pretty haphazard flailing. Whatevs. Enjoy your musket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said: So that you could sport your "Sun's Out, Gun's Out" tank top and show off all that hard work? Or was it to protect my family from home invaders? Were those guesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 9 hours ago, SectionC3 said: The point is that you’re more likely to die from dietary excess than you are in a burglary. So if you’re that concerned about personal protection you should be as animated about vegetables as you are firearms. How likely are you to die from a mass shooting with an assault weapon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 57 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So many many people state part of the reason for the Second Amendment is not for themselves but so people who live in high crime areas, such as Oakland, can protect themselves? That was a real concern when I lived there. Living in Oakland doesn't really change your odds of getting killed by an intruder much at all, even if it makes you feel better. Like I said, I might do the same in that situation, but the stats are the stats dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 34 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Nice - my wife gets AD in the mail every month. I own a seasonal business that luckily allows me to live above my means. Very nice! By the way, architects don’t read AD....but I’m glad she’s interested none the less. Stay safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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