Jags trade Calais to balt for a 5th

[NY Nole]

6 hours ago, Lurker said:

 

 

 

So the Bills signed Kaare Vedvik for nothing to a futures contract. Said Vedvik was traded to the Vikes for a 5th rd pick and the ravens just sent that to Jags. I say the bills won this trade. More witchcraft from Beane. Go Bills!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Ozzie is the new wizard. 

 

Not bad for a retired guy.

 

[FireChans]

16 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

The price to acquire him may have been so low only because the price to extend him was going to be so high. I want the best players, but if they knew he was asking for the moon and we felt it was excessive, then I trust their judgment. I am NOT saying that is the case, just saying they know a lot more about this than we do, and I tend to trust them. 

I hear you, but it’s not like the Ravens don’t know what they are doing either, you know?

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I hear you, but it’s not like the Ravens don’t know what they are doing either, you know?

 

We don’t know what we don’t know. The Ravens are indeed a well run organization, but if we felt the financial cost was too high, I appreciate them being able to draw a line and live with it. It must be mighty pricey for him to be let go for just a 5th rounder.

 

I’m sure we have layers of contingency plans. It’s unfortunate, but it’s not the end of the world. We still have options, and likely saved a small fortune we can direct elsewhere. Glass half full. 

[CommonCents]

Two years ago this would have been a legitimate cry fest. He is one of my favorite players in the league but he is at the end of it. There is a handful of guys that will have the same impact as him that are available. 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Good deal for Baltimore and he should help their pass rush... it should also be noted that his numbers have dropped over the past years after his monster breakout season.  

 

Not as bad of a deal for Jacksonville as some of you make it out to be.

 

What it likely means for Jax is that Ngakoue will definitely not want to stay there.  But I wouldn't trade a 1st and give him $22M/year.

[Dablitzkrieg]

5 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Did they, or do they just strike you as a franchise that just doesn’t care anymore?  ?

Both

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, FireChans said:

Ansah isnt Campbell but you know that. And Campbell is a 5x pro Bowler and All-Pro, his cute double digit sack stat aside.

 

Who is the best DE on the market?

He’s 34, they all hit cliffs.  Manning was great in 2014 with 39 TDs and 15 Ints.  In 2105 he had just 9 TDs and 17 ints.  
 

And he played a way less physical position.  34 is pretty old for a DE.

 

And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career.  
 

Is he going to magically find the fountain of youth at 34 in a new system and double his sack totals?  I mean come on, it’s not realistic and it’s more like the will have a similar or worse season.  

[Smitty75]

What a robbery...?

Off course he’s aging but he’s still a menace if you put him in any dline, they could had a 3th round pick for him at least.

[Alphadawg7]

Just now, Smitty75 said:

What a robbery...?

Off course he’s aging but he’s still a menace if you put him in any dline, they could had a 3th round pick for him at least.

If they could have gotten a 3rd pick, they would have.  Not like they turned it down for a 5th lol

[Smitty75]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

If they could have gotten a 3rd pick, they would have.  Not like they turned it down for a 5th lol

Sure, but it’s steal a bad decision by the front office imo they didn’t handle this trade well.

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Just like Ziggy was gonna be so key last year too right?  
 

Peyton Manning was elite every year until that one year he wasn’t.  All players hit a cliff.  34 years old for a DE is old.  Their are no assurances he will be nearly as good as you and others are making him out to be next year.  
 

And sorry, some of you are exaggerating him right now in terms of last year.  I get it, people know his name.  But doesn’t mean he’s as elite as some are making him out to be.  
 

He has just TWO double digit sack seasons in his whole career.  His sack totals went down each year in Jax too, including just 6.5 last year after he had his best statistical season as a pro his first year there.

 

He is no where close to the best DE option in this years market nor is his 6.5 sacks hard to find.  And now he will be even a year older and on a new team so good chance he doesn’t even match last years numbers.

 

So IMO, some of you are over reacting to a player who at this stage of his career is being over exaggerated.  

While I’m not throwing a tantrum because we didn’t get him, watch what he does in Baltimore next year. He’s the perfect fit and would’ve been an amazing fit here.  Pay him 17 mill the next 2 years and then let him go after we win a Super Bowl like Baltimore is about to do

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career.  

 

Why do people only focus on sacks?   Look at QB hits, TFL and solo tackles.  He's still performing at a high level and makes the Bills DE's look like backups in comparison... 

 

					Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles						Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career					186	168	3	24	0	23	48	14	1	11	73	3	88.0	696	519	177	151	201	2	125
9 yrs		ARI			138	120	3	24	0	23	42	8	1	8	55	1	56.5	501	382	119	107	124	2	86
3 yrs		JAX			48	48	0	0	0	0	6	6	0	3	18	2	31.5	195	137	58	44	77		39
2008	22	ARI		93	16	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	1	0	0	0	0.0	29	24	5	2	1		1
2009	23	ARI	DE	93	16	15	0	0	0	0	5	1	0	0	0	0	7.0	47	36	11	8	14		7
2010	24	ARI	DE	93	15	15	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	1	0	0	6.0	60	46	14	13	7		7
2011	25	ARI	DE	93	16	16	1	0	0	0	10	2	0	1	0	0	8.0	72	53	19	13	17		10
2012	26	ARI	DE	93	13	12	0	0	0	0	6						6.5	63	50	13	13	12		8
2013	27	ARI	DE	93	16	16	0	0	0	0	6	1	0	2	2	0	9.0	58	45	13	14	21	1	9
2014*	28	ARI	DE	93	14	14	1	23	0	23	3	1	0	0	0	0	7.0	58	48	10	16	11		15
2015*	29	ARI	de/DT	93	16	16	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	1	0	0	5.0	61	46	15	16	20		13
2016	30	ARI	DT	93	16	16	1	1	0	1	6	2	0	3	53	1	8.0	53	34	19	12	21	1	16
2017*+	31	JAX	DE	93	16	16	0	0	0	0	3	3	0	1	10	1	14.5	67	47	20	14	30		16
2018*	32	JAX	DE	93	16	16	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	1	0	0	10.5	72	53	19	20	22		13
2019*	33	JAX	de/DL	93	16	16	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	1	8	1	6.5	56	37	19	10	25		10

 

 

Jerry Hughes:

					Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles						Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career					152	103	0	0	0	0	14	12	0	3	31	1	51.5	365	249	116	77	111		59
7 yrs		BUF			112	96	0	0	0	0	13	12	0	3	31	1	46.5	303	208	95	69	99		54
3 yrs		IND			40	7	0	0	0	0	1						5.0	62	41	21	8	12		5
2010	22	IND		92	12	0											0.0	6	6	0	1	1		1
2011	23	IND	de	92	12	1											1.0	15	6	9	0	1		1
2012	24	IND	lb	92	16	6	0	0	0	0	1						4.0	41	29	12	7	10		3
2013	25	BUF	lb	55	16	1	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	10.0	46	32	14	9	18		3
2014	26	BUF	DE	55	16	16						3	0	1	18	1	10.0	53	36	17	13	20		10
2015	27	BUF	DE	55	16	16	0	0	0	0	4	2	0	1	2	0	5.0	52	37	15	8	12		9
2016	28	BUF	LB	55	16	15	0	0	0	0	3	1	0	0	0	0	6.0	48	31	17	8	11		6
2017	29	BUF	DE	55	16	16						1	0	0	0	0	4.0	44	28	16	12	11		7
2018	30	BUF	DE	55	16	16	0	0	0	0	1	3	0	0	0	0	7.0	37	30	7	13	18		9
2019	31	BUF	DE	55	16	16	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	1	11	0	4.5	23	14	9	6	9		10

 

Trent Murphy:

					Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles						Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career					76	49	1	0	0	0	6	10	0	7	15	0	24.0	172	102	70	30	60		31
3 yrs		WAS			47	23	0	0	0	0	2	6	0	4	7	0	15.0	112	64	48	16	42		13
2 yrs		BUF			29	26	1	0	0	0	4	4	0	3	8	0	9.0	60	38	22	14	18		18
2014	24	WAS	ROLB	93	15	8	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	1	0	0	2.5	32	22	10	3	7		4
2015	25	WAS	LB	93	16	15						1	0	2	0	0	3.5	33	13	20	3	10		7
2016	26	WAS		93	16	0	0	0	0	0	1	3	0	1	7	0	9.0	47	29	18	10	25		2
2018	28	BUF	DE	93	13	10	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	1	0	0	4.0	24	14	10	5	9		6
2019	29	BUF	DE	93	16	16	1	0	0	0	3	2	0	2	8	0	5.0	36	24	12	9	9		12

 

And some other comps...

 

Yannick Ngakoue:

					Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles						Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career					63	62	2	32	1	23	9	14	0	3	65	1	37.5	122	105	17	42	85		35
2016	21	JAX	DE/lb	91	16	15	1	9	0	9	2	4	0	0	0	0	8.0	23	20	3	6	14		7
2017*	22	JAX	DE	91	16	16						6	0	2	67	1	12.0	30	24	6	10	23		12
2018	23	JAX	DE	91	16	16	0	0	0	0	1						9.5	28	25	3	13	33		9
2019	24	JAX	DE	91	15	15	1	23	1	23	6	4	0	1	-2	0	8.0	41	36	5	13	15		7

 

Chandler Jones:

					Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles						Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career					119	116	1	0	0	0	23	27	0	8	0	1	96.0	421	295	126	105	162		77
4 yrs		ARI			64	64	0	0	0	0	15	17	0	6	0	0	60.0	210	170	40	67	98		44
4 yrs		NWE			55	52	1	0	0	0	8	10	0	2	0	1	36.0	211	125	86	38	64		33
2012	22	NWE	DE	95	14	13	0	0	0	0	4	3	0	0	0	0	6.0	45	24	21	8	12		6
2013	23	NWE	DE/lb	95	16	16						1	0	1	0	1	11.5	79	40	39	14	23		10
2014	24	NWE	DE	95	10	8	0	0	0	0	2	2	0	1	0	0	6.0	43	30	13	5	11		6
2015*	25	NWE	DE	95	15	15	1	0	0	0	2	4	0	0	0	0	12.5	44	31	13	11	18		11
2016	26	ARI	LB	55	16	16	0	0	0	0	3	4	0	2	0	0	11.0	49	38	11	15	21		9
2017*+	27	ARI	LB	55	16	16	0	0	0	0	3	2	0	0	0	0	17.0	59	52	7	28	33		15
2018	28	ARI	DE	55	16	16	0	0	0	0	4	3	0	1	0	0	13.0	49	38	11	13	18		8
2019*+	29	ARI	LB	55	16	16	0	0	0	0	5	8	0	3	0	0	19.0	53	42	11	11	26		12

 

Cameron Heywood:

					Games		Def Interceptions					Fumbles						Tackles
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Int	Yds	TD	Lng	PD	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	TD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV
Career					134	99	0	0	0	0	30	6	0	5	9	0	54.0	397	257	140	79	117		74
2011	22	PIT		95	16	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	1.0	11	10	1	1	4		2
2012	23	PIT		97	16	0											1.5	20	13	7	4	6		2
2013	24	PIT	DE	97	16	13	0	0	0	0	7	0	0	1	8	0	5.0	59	35	24	7	10		7
2014	25	PIT	DE	97	16	16	0	0	0	0	4						7.5	53	33	20	11	16		7
2015	26	PIT	DE	97	16	16	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	0	0	0	7.0	54	39	15	15	13		9
2016	27	PIT	de	97	7	7	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	1	1	0	3.0	21	17	4	4	5		4
2017*+	28	PIT	DE	97	15	15	0	0	0	0	3	2	0	1	0	0	12.0	45	30	15	16	22		15
2018*	29	PIT	DT/rdt	97	16	16	0	0	0	0	3	1	0	1	0	0	8.0	51	29	22	10	18		11
2019*+	30	PIT	DT	97	16	16	0	0	0	0	6	1	0	1	0	0	9.0	83	51	32	11	23		17

 

 

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

He’s 34, they all hit cliffs.  Manning was great in 2014 with 39 TDs and 15 Ints.  In 2105 he had just 9 TDs and 17 ints.  
 

And he played a way less physical position.  34 is pretty old for a DE.

 

And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career.  
 

Is he going to magically find the fountain of youth at 34 in a new system and double his sack totals?  I mean come on, it’s not realistic and it’s more like the will have a similar or worse season.  

I don’t see how Peyton Manning is relevant.

 

I do see how you dodged the question.

[Doc]

9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

He’s 34, they all hit cliffs.  Manning was great in 2014 with 39 TDs and 15 Ints.  In 2105 he had just 9 TDs and 17 ints.  
 

And he played a way less physical position.  34 is pretty old for a DE.

 

And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career.  
 

Is he going to magically find the fountain of youth at 34 in a new system and double his sack totals?  I mean come on, it’s not realistic and it’s more like the will have a similar or worse season.  

 

And why didn't the Jags keep him?  They could have extended him to lower his cap hit and all they got was a 5th for him.