Goodell comments on Bills stadium issues at Super Bowl media day

[Lurker]

Seems unique to the NBA...

 

China's decision to pull sponsorships and television coverage because Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey tweeted support for anti-government protesters in Hong Kong in October is believed to have cost the NBA anywhere between $150 million and $200 million, league sources said.   

[dollars 2 donuts]

Everyone knows that the best place to watch an NFL game is at a stadium, with all its amenities and reasonable affordability.

 

...said some insane person.

 

 

 

NFL, feel free to grab the profit you can.  However, to focus on the stadium aspect of $$$ going forward is "like a long wait for a train that won't come".

 

It is tired thinking by tired people...do better.

[buffalobillsfootball]

15 hours ago, loyal2dagame said:

 

I agree on your first two points, however........

 

point #3: Build an all new state of the art Stadium/Convention Center downtown near Canalside.

There are better things to develop near the waterfront than a stadium-

 

point #4: I don't buy the BS about downtown not having the infrastructure to support a stadium - the city was once 4 times in size and population. 

The city doesn't have the infrastructure in place. When Buffalo had "4 times in size and population", It was at a time when families had 1 car. Not 2-4. People actually used buses back then. You do have the 2 lane Skyway leading to Rte 5 and the 3 lane 190 as express routes out of the city. And if a new stadium is near Canalside, there will be huge traffic backups to get to the 33. What do you do when wind or blowing snow closes the skyway on a game day? Everything comes to a stand still. This doesn't work.

 

point #5: There are also multiple modes of transportation to the City v Orchard Park.

??? seems like the same transportation beside the metro rail.

 

point #6: You don't spend $500M on an old stadium in Orchard Park - which could not be further than the fastest growing area in the region: Southern Ontario.

I agree that New Era shouldn't have money sunk into it. But, Orchard Park is less than 10 minutes from downtown Buffalo. 10 minutes isn't going to make or break Southern Ontario Bills/NFL fans.

 

 

1) When I say near CANALSIDE, I'm referring to the open areas behind the Buffalo News near the Casino.  I went to the Steelers game in December - and after TAILGATING - we walked to the Casino to warm up before the game. It was a lot of fun and FILLED with Bills fans.

 

2) Sorry, I stand by my statement. Between the Metro, Amtrak, tons of hotels, tons of parking all along the Metro and in the Central Business District, and the street grids - people have MULTIPLE ways to get to the stadium. 

 

3) And your last point about Canadians -  BS.  Between stopping at the bridge for customs and driving south to the stadium - it takes WAY more than 10 minutes.  Nice try.  You build this stadium so its easier for your stakeholders to get to the stadium. You build this new stadium closer to amenities already established downtown.

 

4) I love tailgating... but I'm also not a juvenile and will find alternative ways to party before/after the game if the stadium is downtown. 

 

I know we are loyal bunch and love our tailgating - but in order for us to sustain the BUFFALO Bills - we need to keep up with Jones - and invest in our city core - not OP.

 

 

 

 

 

[MAJBobby]

The Bills will do one of three things.

 

1.  A Nice New Stadium Downtown - Likely (the TailGate City is part of the market research for a limited space tailgate down town)

2.  A Nice New Stadium in OP - Next LIkely

3.  A Major Remodel like in the 500M range of New Era - Less Likely

 

Either way get ready for major price increases

[RochesterRob]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

The Bills will do one of three things.

 

1.  A Nice New Stadium Downtown - Likely (the TailGate City is part of the market research for a limited space tailgate down town)

2.  A Nice New Stadium in OP - Next LIkely

3.  A Major Remodel like in the 500M range of New Era - Less Likely

 

Either way get ready for major price increases

  Reverse the order.  Who is coming up with the stadium costs plus incidentals for downtown?  Remodel is the least expensive way to go and most realistic.  Building next to New Era would be next as a minimum of changes and studies would need to be done.  Downtown opens a whole new can of worms in terms of players who need to be bought off to get a project done.

[JerseyBills]

20 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

that cowboys game on thanksgiving was in a pretty new stadium, right? Jus saying. 
 

arrowhead opened in 1972, right? 

And we got hosed by the refs in that game too. We just dominated and overcame it.

[T master]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/30/arthur-blank-mentions-expansion-when-asked-about-toronto/

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, T master said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/30/arthur-blank-mentions-expansion-when-asked-about-toronto/

  As I said before Pegula needs to put his foot down in terms of Ontario including Toronto being HIS territory.  You know if Jones or Kraft were here that would have been made CLEAR by now.

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Reverse the order.  Who is coming up with the stadium costs plus incidentals for downtown?  Remodel is the least expensive way to go and most realistic.  Building next to New Era would be next as a minimum of changes and studies would need to be done.  Downtown opens a whole new can of worms in terms of players who need to be bought off to get a project done.

Where are the Bills playing during a major remodel?

 

What are the Hidden Costs in a Major Remodel?

 

Pegulas will want their stadium for the Bills where they are building their empire, and that will be DOWNTOWN Buffalo.

[buffalobillsfootball]

17 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Reverse the order.  Who is coming up with the stadium costs plus incidentals for downtown?  Remodel is the least expensive way to go and most realistic.  Building next to New Era would be next as a minimum of changes and studies would need to be done.  Downtown opens a whole new can of worms in terms of players who need to be bought off to get a project done.

 

It's ok - everyone has a preference. Yours is OP.  We get it.

[Lurker]

10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Pegulas will want their stadium for the Bills where they are building their empire, and that will be DOWNTOWN Buffalo.

 

 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Lurker said:

 

 

Billionaires do though

[RochesterRob]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Where are the Bills playing during a major remodel?

 

What are the Hidden Costs in a Major Remodel?

 

Pegulas will want their stadium for the Bills where they are building their empire, and that will be DOWNTOWN Buffalo.

  I don't think you read what I actually wrote.  If a new stadium goes into OP it will be built next to NE then when complete NE gets demolished.  Parking gets screwed up for a year or two but the area can handle it.  This means the Bills play in NE until the new stadium is complete.  Just like what was done in the Meadowlands.  

 

  I think that you meant "What are the hidden costs in building downtown?"  Environmental impact studies.  Eminent domain.  removal of hazardous materials whether it be from abandoned homes such as with lead and asbestos or industrial materials from a brown field site.  Nuisance lawsuits designed to get graft for a select few.  All that is in addition to utility upgrades, runoff and drainage control, roadway modification and changes/new construction to name a few.  100 million was the figure tossed around for all that on the old BBMB by people who actually had some idea as to how development planning is done.

 

  Pegula's will build where it makes financial sense for them.  That could be any number of places.

[loyal2dagame]

33 minutes ago, buffalobillsfootball said:

 

 

1) When I say near CANALSIDE, I'm referring to the open areas behind the Buffalo News near the Casino.  I went to the Steelers game in December - and after TAILGATING - we walked to the Casino to warm up before the game. It was a lot of fun and FILLED with Bills fans.

 

2) Sorry, I stand by my statement. Between the Metro, Amtrak, tons of hotels, tons of parking all along the Metro and in the Central Business District, and the street grids - people have MULTIPLE ways to get to the stadium. 

 

3) And your last point about Canadians -  BS.  Between stopping at the bridge for customs and driving south to the stadium - it takes WAY more than 10 minutes.  Nice try.  You build this stadium so its easier for your stakeholders to get to the stadium. You build this new stadium closer to amenities already established downtown.

 

4) I love tailgating... but I'm also not a juvenile and will find alternative ways to party before/after the game if the stadium is downtown. 

 

I know we are loyal bunch and love our tailgating - but in order for us to sustain the BUFFALO Bills - we need to keep up with Jones - and invest in our city core - not OP.

 

 

 

 

 

Most people aren't riding a train,  metro rail or bus to get to a game.  There are plenty of hotels within minutes of NEF. 

 

Have you ever attempted to leave downtown buffalo in any direction when the skyway is closed from weather?  Takes hours and traffic doesn't move. 

 

The point about Canadians,  I thought that we all knew about the boarder/ customs. I guess not.  My point was that Orchard Park is 10 minutes from buffalo.  Whether the stadium is in OP or downtown,  our Canadian Bills fans are going through customs.  10 additional minutes to OP doesn't ruin the trip. 

Edited January 30, 2020 by loyal2dagame

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, buffalobillsfootball said:

 

It's ok - everyone has a preference. Yours is OP.  We get it.

  Pro downtown people here have not said where the money is coming from.  Goodell wants the state to come up with the vast majority of the money and I don't see how this will happen.  Pegula's using all their money on a comparatively modest return is a look the NFL does NOT want.  People might get the idea that NFL owners should shoulder their own projects instead of the taxpayers/state if the Pegula's self fund.

[TheFunPolice]

The Pegulas are in a tough spot with public money.

 

If everyone believes that they would never move the team and it will be here forever, then there is absolutely zero fear/leverage to get public $$. His Majesty in Albany and our county executive will just say "well, they aren't moving the team so we don't feel the need to cough up any significant $$"

 

But they can't make the type of threats that Mr. Wilson constantly had to make in order to force action on the part of the state, city, and county. Nobody would believe them. 

 

So other owners and the commissioner need to be the ones rattling cages. I think that's what is going on. 

 

I wonder how significant renovations would need to be to New Era in order to make it worthwhile. If it lasts 10-15 years and costs $300-$500 million, it seems like a waste. 

Edited January 30, 2020 by TheFunPolice

[MAJBobby]

12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I don't think you read what I actually wrote.  If a new stadium goes into OP it will be built next to NE then when complete NE gets demolished.  Parking gets screwed up for a year or two but the area can handle it.  This means the Bills play in NE until the new stadium is complete.  Just like what was done in the Meadowlands.  

 

  I think that you meant "What are the hidden costs in building downtown?"  Environmental impact studies.  Eminent domain.  removal of hazardous materials whether it be from abandoned homes such as with lead and asbestos or industrial materials from a brown field site.  Nuisance lawsuits designed to get graft for a select few.  All that is in addition to utility upgrades, runoff and drainage control, roadway modification and changes/new construction to name a few.  100 million was the figure tossed around for all that on the old BBMB by people who actually had some idea as to how development planning is done.

 

  Pegula's will build where it makes financial sense for them.  That could be any number of places.

I read what you wrote.  You said reverse the Order.  Meaning the Major Remodel is the No 1 Choice.  So again I ask where are the Bills going to play during a Major Remodel?  What will the Hidden Costs Be in a Major Remodel, there are always some, look at a gut job on a house, you plan a budget of 75K and it ends up ballooning because once you break into the walls there is more that needs to be done.

 

That 500M budget for a major remodel can easily grow to the price of a brand new build.  

 

I can pretty much guarantee that their study they have completed looks very similar to my list, and hence why the instituted Tail Gate City (or whatever they called it).  They want to see what the foot traffic is in that when tailgating space gets limited.  (Hence a down town stadium).

 

And I bet it will be a smaller stadium, and ticket prices are going up.  

Edited January 30, 2020 by MAJBobby

[TheFunPolice]

a downtown location makes the most sense for a new stadium just because it has the highest chance of getting public $$

 

Otherwise, I would build it in OP in the current parking lot or nearby. 

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I read what you wrote.  You said reverse the Order.  Meaning the Major Remodel is the No 1 Choice.  So again I ask where are the Bills going to play during a Major Remodel?  What will the Hidden Costs Be in a Major Remodel, there are always some, look at a gut job on a house, you plan a budget of 75K and it ends up ballooning because once you break into the walls there is more that needs to be done.

 

That 500M budget for a major remodel can easily grow to the price of a brand new build.  

 

I can pretty much guarantee that their study they have completed looks very similar to my list, and hence why the instituted Tail Gate City (or whatever they called it).  They want to see what the foot traffic is in that when tailgating space gets limited.  (Hence a down town stadium).

  Depends on how they want to do the remodel.  Do they have to do all sections at once or do they have the option of working on one section during the offseason that can be complete by opening day?  Then do the next section when the next offseason is here.  Past upgrades were done without disturbing the schedule and to this point no known issues existed with the substructure.  KC and GB played without disruption when they did their work.  Worse case scenario is UB for a year.

[dave mcbride]

36 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  As I said before Pegula needs to put his foot down in terms of Ontario including Toronto being HIS territory.  You know if Jones or Kraft were here that would have been made CLEAR by now.

Blank is clear in saying that he's not necessarily advocating expansion. This is obviously a shot across the bow - i.e., WNY needs to wake up because the option you thought was dead - a move to Toronto - ain't dead. Note that a) Blank is saying this right after Goodell made his comments, and b) Goodell is a mouthpiece not for himself, but for the owners who employ him.