The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 minute ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

It's true if you want to twist yourself into a pretzel. Nice work. 

How was that "twisting myself into a pretzel"? All the guy was saying was that they were administering temp checks for weeks before there was widespread nasal swab testing available, and he was correct, they were and in a multitude of cases they still are.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, FireChans said:

Hokie AND Hapless in PPP?  Am I hallucinating???

Someone has to be logical in this cesspool

 

I browse here quite a bit, but try to pick my spots for when I chime in.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Hokie AND Hapless in PPP?  Am I hallucinating???

They must have gotten bored of playing "Guess The 2020 Schedule"

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

How was that "twisting myself into a pretzel"? All the guy was saying was that they were administering temp checks for weeks before there was widespread nasal swab testing available, and he was correct, they were and in a multitude of cases they still are.

 

Now you're twisting his words, too. Buy one get one at Auntie Anne's! Too bad the mall ain't open

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

Can we just discuss the virus in this thread?    There are so many other threads for people to discuss Trump.     

agreed. Think the Maderna Vaccine new today interesting.

 

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/moderna-eyes-early-summer-start-for-phase-3-covid-19-vaccine-trial

 

Already planning phase 3, crazy fast...still nothing to 2021 though. I have been thinking all along AI and ML are game changes in finding either vaccines ar therapeutics, but this is pretty cool stuff.

 

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Moderna Therapeutics took a similar approach with its modified messenger RNA (mRNA)-based vaccine for COVID-19, which is also in a clinical trial. Once the genetic blueprint of the SARS-CoV-2 virus was posted online, it took researchers with Moderna just two days to finalize the sequence for their vaccine, dubbed mRNA-1273.

Twenty-three days later, Moderna had the mRNA-1273 vaccine ready for a clinical trial. That was faster than anybody has done it before, says Stephen Hoge, president of the Moderna, which is based near Boston, Massachusetts. “Once you realize that you can essentially put a software-like program into a cell, the opportunities to address human disease are pretty broad,” Hoge told 60 Minutes.

Drug development is traditionally a relatively slow process based on trial and error. Getting drugs to human clinical trials can often take many months, if not years. However, with COVID-19 projected to kill millions of people over the next year if left to its devices, drug developers are pulling out the stops in the hopes of identifying a vaccine or other treatments.

https://www.datanami.com/2020/03/23/can-ai-find-a-cure-for-covid-19/

 

[GG]

22 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor

 

What that a lie?

 

Yes it was, because many practitioners didn't accept Obamacare.  

[MILFHUNTER#518]

2 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Now you're twisting his words, too. Buy one get one at Auntie Anne's! Too bad the mall ain't open

I get the feeling you are in the mood to argue just for sport. I hope you have a Blessed Day.

1 minute ago, GG said:

 

Yes it was, because many practitioners didn't accept Obamacare.  

And still don't.

[Kemp]

19 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Here's what I did find, source material. DHS acting secretary Chad Wolf released a statement on the travel restrictions on March 11.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/homeland-security-acting-secretary-chad-f-wolf-s-statement-presidential-proclamation

 

And then the white house issued their official proclamation. 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-certain-additional-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/

 

Based on those two official releases, it would seem that the quote you want to say is a lie was information provided to Trump by DHS on how they planned to implement his proclamation. He seemingly either dumbed 'enhanced screening' down to 'testing' or he didn't understand the scope of the screening being implemented. I think, at worst, the statement you're clinging to was made out of ignorance, but it's very likely he just used his own terminology instead of the official language out of brevity.

 

Thank you.

This is from your link:

 

Sec. 2.  Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry.

(a)  Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to:

(i)     any lawful permanent resident of the United States;

(ii)    any alien who is the spouse of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident;

(iii)   any alien who is the parent or legal guardian of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, provided that the U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident is unmarried and under the age of 21;

(iv)    any alien who is the sibling of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, provided that both are unmarried and under the age of 21;

(v)     any alien who is the child, foster child, or ward of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, or who is a prospective adoptee seeking to enter the United States pursuant to the IR-4 or IH-4 visa classifications;

(vi)    any alien traveling at the invitation of the United States Government for a purpose related to containment or mitigation of the virus;

(vii)   any alien traveling as a nonimmigrant pursuant to a C-1, D, or C-1/D nonimmigrant visa as a crewmember or any alien otherwise traveling to the United States as air or sea crew;

(viii)  any alien

(A)  seeking entry into or transiting the United States pursuant to one of the following visas:  A-1, A-2, C-2, C-3 (as a foreign government official or immediate family member of an official), E-1 (as an employee of TECRO or TECO or the employee’s immediate family members), G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, NATO-1 through NATO-4, or NATO-6 (or seeking to enter as a nonimmigrant in one of those NATO categories); or

(B)  whose travel falls within the scope of section 11 of the United Nations Headquarters Agreement;

(ix)    any alien whose entry would not pose a significant risk of introducing, transmitting, or spreading the virus, as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, through the CDC Director or his designee;

(x)     any alien whose entry would further important United States law enforcement objectives, as determined by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or their respective designees, based on a recommendation of the Attorney General or his designee;

(xi)    any alien whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or their designees; or

(xii)   members of the U.S. Armed Forces and spouses and children of members of the U.S. Armed Forces.
 

At the very least, this means that an awful lot of people that came from Europe were NOT tested, nor quarantined, and I still can't find anything about those in other groups being quarantined. .

So, how did Trump not lie? If you believe it was not a lie, was Trump derelict in his duty to protect us?

 

Again, thanks for answering.

Edited May 7, 2020 by Kemp

[Magox]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

agreed. Think the Maderna Vaccine new today interesting.

 

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/moderna-eyes-early-summer-start-for-phase-3-covid-19-vaccine-trial

 

Already planning phase 3, crazy fast...still nothing to 2021 though. I have been thinking all along AI and ML are game changes in finding either vaccines ar therapeutics, but this is pretty cool stuff.

 

https://www.datanami.com/2020/03/23/can-ai-find-a-cure-for-covid-19/

 

 

I know the president is talking about maybe at the end of the year even though he has seemed to back off of that.   With that said, I don't believe there has ever been a vaccine that has been developed and ready for distribution in less than 2-4 years.   Grant it, there has probably never been such a response and strong desire from pharmaceutical companies to develop this vaccine and you will probably have regulatory bodies fast track it for approval at unprecedented levels but I would be cautious and not hang my hat on a vaccine being available for distribution in less than 18 months.    

 

So I just hope that those creating policy for citizens aren't banking on this to happen within that time period.  Heck it may take much longer than 18 months maybe even never.  Who knows?

[Kemp]

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I know the president is talking about maybe at the end of the year even though he has seemed to back off of that.   With that said, I don't believe there has ever been a vaccine that has been developed and ready for distribution in less than 2-4 years.   Grant it, there has probably never been such a response and strong desire from pharmaceutical companies to develop this vaccine and you will probably have regulatory bodies fast track it for approval at unprecedented levels but I would be cautious and not hang my hat on a vaccine being available for distribution in less than 18 months.    

 

So I just hope that those creating policy for citizens aren't banking on this to happen within that time period.  Heck it may take much longer than 18 months maybe even never.  Who knows?

 

I thought H1N1 vaccine was available in 7 months.

However, I don't believe there has ever been a successful vaccine for any coronavirus.

[snafu]

1 hour ago, meazza said:

Jesus. Sorry i forgot what we were all talking about.

 

I laughed when she held up the water containers an said “I have two big jugs”.

 

[plenzmd1]

6 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

I know the president is talking about maybe at the end of the year even though he has seemed to back off of that.   With that said, I don't believe there has ever been a vaccine that has been developed and ready for distribution in less than 2-4 years.   Grant it, there has probably never been such a response and strong desire from pharmaceutical companies to develop this vaccine and you will probably have regulatory bodies fast track it for approval at unprecedented levels but I would be cautious and not hang my hat on a vaccine being available for distribution in less than 18 months.    

 

So I just hope that those creating policy for citizens aren't banking on this to happen within that time period.  Heck it may take much longer than 18 months maybe even never.  Who knows?

have not checked on that Oxford one, they were saying maybe SEPTEMBER!!!!! I dont follow this stuff much as a rule, but I take it  announcing stage 3 already is unprecented when stage 2 has not even started yet..guess the FDA would normally biatch slap them for that...but they  seem to be in lockstep with Moderna

[BuffaloHokie13]

13 minutes ago, Kemp said:

At the very least, this means that an awful lot of people that came from Europe were NOT tested, nor quarantined, and I still can't find anything about those in other groups being quarantined. .

So, how did Trump not lie? If you believe it was not a lie, was Trump derelict in his duty to protect us?

 

Again, thanks for answering.

No, as I understand it that impacts who is allowed to board in the first place. DHS handles the protocol for landing. Here is their supplemental notice.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020-05606.pdf

Quote

For purposes of this document, crew 
and flights carrying only cargo (i.e., no 
passengers or non-crew) are excluded 
from the applicable measures set forth 
in this notice.

DHS protocol was to screen every non-crew passenger on the plane.

[Warren Zevon]

21 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Yes it was, because many practitioners didn't accept Obamacare.  

 

Agreed. Just like Trump saying everyone who wanted to be tested would be tested is a lie. 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Warren Zevon

[Kemp]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

No, as I understand it that impacts who is allowed to board in the first place. DHS handles the protocol for landing. Here is their supplemental notice.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020-05606.pdf

DHS protocol was to screen every non-crew passenger on the plane.

 

This linked document will take longer to read.

Thanks

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

No, as I understand it that impacts who is allowed to board in the first place. DHS handles the protocol for landing. Here is their supplemental notice.

https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/2020-05606.pdf

DHS protocol was to screen every non-crew passenger on the plane.

 

A quick scan shows that this only applies to China. No mention of Europe.

[GG]

7 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

Agreed. Just like Trump saying everyone who wanted to be tested would be tested is a lie. 

 

Which lie had a greater effect on people's lives?    Did Trump's usual overzealous braggadocio mandated that sick individuals are placed in under-equipped health facilities?

[snafu]

55 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor

 

What that a lie?

 

It depends. Did he say that after the bill was passed and after he signed it?

 

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, GG said:

 

Which lie had a greater effect on people's lives?    Did Trump's usual lie mandated that sick individuals are placed in under-equipped health facilities?

 

Both men are scumbags and liars. You can't even call it a lie, though, 5G. I fixed it for you. 

[GG]

12 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

This linked document will take longer to read.

Thanks

 

A quick scan shows that this only applies to China. No mention of Europe.

 

Lazy or intellectually dishonest?

 

"To ensure that travelers with recent presence in the countries of the Schengen Area are screened appropriately, DHS directs that all flights to the United States carrying persons who have recently traveled from, or were otherwise present within, the countries of the Schengen Area arrive at airports where enhanced public health services and protocols have been implemented.

 

There are twenty-six countries in the Schengen Area: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland."

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

It depends. Did he say that after the bill was passed and after he signed it?

 

 

Not sure to be honest, though it's a popular right wing talking point that Obama lied when he said that - a talking point I agree with.