The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[shoshin]

8 minutes ago, dpberr said:

There's another angle to this, at least in PA, in that all health systems are not created equal. There are certainly the haves and have nots, and most often, it's the for-profit hospitals and systems that buckle first because they super crunch the pennies. 

 

They staff the leanest, pay the least which inevitably fields the B and C teams,  have just enough equipment on hand for normal every day operations, and all decisions are made states away. Its very fragile. 

 

For sure, which is why regional approaches make the most sense. What is stranger about PA's approach to reopening based on cases/population is that the Philadelphia area has the best hospitals in the world but will be the last to open. 

 

8 minutes ago, dpberr said:

Same deal in the nursing homes. Some nursing homes are run very well. Others are nightmares. 

 

 

There is hardly a nursing home that will be spared in this once it gets going unless we make DRASTIC changes to how to support their residents.  

[Deranged Rhino]

NYS: 

https://mobile.twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1254389132144640004

Just now, shoshin said:

 

There is hardly a nursing home that will be spared in this once it gets going unless we make DRASTIC changes to how to support their residents.  

Unless you’re Cuomo — then you say ***** the nursing homes. 

[BillStime]

15 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

When I go out and I have food from a restaurant that serves dim sum am I no longer able to say I’m eating Chinese food? 

Don’t forget to wear your MAGA hat; likely made in China.  
 

So we should call them Chinese Hats right?

 

 

22 minutes ago, westside2 said:

You're an idiot 

You’re famous

 

 

[oldmanfan]

5 minutes ago, Foxx said:

you're missing the Forest for the trees. 

 

being... light has a long history of combating viruses and the outrage on the Left over what Trump said is ludicrous. Trump was more than likely trying to summarize what some of his experts were talking about. the Left, as usual sensationalizes everything to the opposite extreme.

I do not approach science as a left or right thing.  I watched that press conference, what the president said was irresponsible and potentially dangerous.  He brought up injecting disinfectants.  He brought up passing strong UV rays and such through the skin.  The problem is that can be very harmful yet someone listening could try that because he heard his nation’s leader theorize about it. Rather than trying to artificially parse what he said or then try and claim sarcasm the next day he needs to get it through his head that his words and the precision of how he uses those words matter.

 

Say what you mean, mean what you say, and own it.  That is what is needed right now from all leaders if government.

[Chef Jim]

12 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Don’t forget to wear your MAGA hat; likely made in China.  
 

So we should call them Chinese Hats right?

 

We can call them Chinese hats if they originated in China but I don’t think baseball hats originated in China. ? 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

51 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

What about the farmers that grow the food? 

 

 

....more importantly, what do we actually know about the potential food supply chain being interrupted stateside?....more reports about food processing facilities shutting down due to Covid-19 worker cases......put EVERYTHING else aside for a moment regarding Covid-19, can you imagine a nationwide panic if there are significant interruptions to food chain supply?.....if you think "cabin fever lockdown" is an issue now, can you imagine significant nationwide food shortages?....

[Boatdrinks]

15 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....more importantly, what do we actually know about the potential food supply chain being interrupted stateside?....more reports about food processing facilities shutting down due to Covid-19 worker cases......put EVERYTHING else aside for a moment regarding Covid-19, can you imagine a nationwide panic if there are significant interruptions to food chain supply?.....if you think "cabin fever lockdown" is an issue now, can you imagine significant nationwide food shortages?....

With our media, I can imagine a nationwide panic over just about anything. Heck, Wuhan virus led to head scratching run on toilet paper of all things. Would a potential food shortage lead to an oversupply of TP ? I don’t know, but anything’s possible. I think they need to find a way to deal with any issues at meat processing plants, and certain items could be in short supply or see major price increases. It would have to be on a massive scale though, to cause significant food shortages. Maybe I’m off base, but I don’t see that as likely. Overreaction, however is expected at this point. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

When I go out and I have food from a restaurant that serves dim sum am I no longer able to say I’m eating Chinese food? 

 

#raysis

 

[Deranged Rhino]

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[meazza]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

So I went to the store and wore a mask for the first time because I had to. Wore a bandana and all I could think of was this:

 

 

Just make sure to take the right color for your neighborhood or you might die of other causes.

[BillStime]

19 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

[Deranged Rhino]

☝️

That would be a good point had I ever once said Cap was a traitor for exercising his right to protest. But when you can't argue the facts: lie. The Billsztime way.

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

Is this for real ? Then again, Blas is a complete moron. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Is this for real ? Then again, Blas is a complete moron. 

Must be some big money in this.   Let's see how much she can steal this time.

 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Is this for real ? Then again, Blas is a complete moron. 

 

C'mon Boardrinks...

 

[shoshin]

Fauci earlier this week noted that we are massively under testing for what is needed to safely control this and now Birx as well. Maybe we can stop focusing on lab capacity as a critical data point now?

 

A different type of coronavirus test is required to screen the U.S. population on the necessary scale, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, said in an interview on Sunday, saying that it will take “a huge technology breakthrough” to get there. 

 

What’s needed, she said on the NBC program “Meet the Press,” is a screening test that detects antigens, like the screening tests used for flu, strep and other diseases. Antigens stimulate the body to produce antibodies, and are essentially evidence of an immune response.

 

“We have to be able to detect the antigen, rather than constantly trying to detect the actual live virus or the viral particles itself, and to really move into antigen testing,” she said. The current RNA tests, which are more precise but more laborious, would then be used to confirm diagnoses.

[Boatdrinks]

4 minutes ago, shoshin said:

Fauci earlier this week noted that we are massively under testing for what is needed to safely control this and now Birx as well. Maybe we can stop focusing on lab capacity as a critical data point now?

 

A different type of coronavirus test is required to screen the U.S. population on the necessary scale, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, said in an interview on Sunday, saying that it will take “a huge technology breakthrough” to get there. 

 

What’s needed, she said on the NBC program “Meet the Press,” is a screening test that detects antigens, like the screening tests used for flu, strep and other diseases. Antigens stimulate the body to produce antibodies, and are essentially evidence of an immune response.

 

“We have to be able to detect the antigen, rather than constantly trying to detect the actual live virus or the viral particles itself, and to really move into antigen testing,” she said. The current RNA tests, which are more precise but more laborious, would then be used to confirm diagnoses.

If a “ huge technology breakthrough “ = a long time, that idea should be jettisoned. We don’t have the luxury of time. The medical / health experts need to realize we are not looking at a perfect solution/ outcome here. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

52 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

With our media, I can imagine a nationwide panic over just about anything. Heck, Wuhan virus led to head scratching run on toilet paper of all things. Would a potential food shortage lead to an oversupply of TP ? I don’t know, but anything’s possible. I think they need to find a way to deal with any issues at meat processing plants, and certain items could be in short supply or see major price increases. It would have to be on a massive scale though, to cause significant food shortages. Maybe I’m off base, but I don’t see that as likely. Overreaction, however is expected at this point. 

 

...MOST definitely.....at the same time, the country is in "crisis management mode", perhaps worse than 1918 And exacerbated by the "invisible enemy"......forgetting politicization (um right), what do you logically measure the Trump administration against?.....objectively?...seriously?...r u kidding?.......TDS prevails.....I never realized that we lose 1,800 Americans daily to heart disease or 649,000 annually....CDC 2018-2019 US flu stats said 45 million were infected with 810,000 hospitalizations resulting in 61,000 deaths...and the headlines were where??......certainly NOT discounting Covid-19 by any means......but we are light years away from establishing a solid denominator because we have NO idea as to the asymptomatics.....not sure of the percentage, but isn't the annual flu vaccine only 40+% effective because of multiple strains and how many actually forgo the vaccine anyway?.....probably an unsubstantiated "what if" syndrome, but what happens if the current situation turns out to be the proverbial "Cry Wolf" syndrome?.....for me, erring on the side of caution and being pro actively prepared going forward makes more sense than the current situation of being unprepared across ALL governmental and private sector levels.....