123719bwiqrb Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Just now, realtruelove said: Has anyone here read about this doctor in Texas and his treatment? He says this treatment method is being used in other countries with low death rates. https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/local-doctor-believes-he-has-found-silver-bullet-for-covid-19/513-8cd065d2-dbb5-4814-9cdd-5bb0dae77703 If he is an avowed Leftist then his treatment is GOLD Jerry! But if he ever said that the R's are cool, then his treatment is snake oil at best. Give the media a few days to fill us in better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, 123719bwiqrb said: If he is an avowed Leftist then his treatment is GOLD Jerry! But if he ever said that the R's are cool, then his treatment is snake oil at best. Give the media a few days to fill us in better. Or just get Trump to weigh in. Then we can throw everything else out the window and immediately know whether this is good or bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 and as anticipated, the Houston Story will roll on Twitter... this is now trending im my timeline..4k retweets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shoshin Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, GG said: How many times does federalism need to be explained to you? The federal government is not the primary responder. The federalists and antifederalists fought the fight and the antifederalists lost. The states bend the knee to the feds on a lot of issues and national emergency is one, and the feds could have exercised authority either: overtly by mandate, through direct pressure by funding withholding, or indirectly through political pressure/leadership. The federal government went 0 for 3. Quote But then you would have to acknowledge that there is a huge difference in how the various states handled the crisis, and why NYS was exceptionally bad. Note that it's not a blue and red issue, because CA & WA did a much better job in early containment. NYS got hit early when we were still thinking ventilators and laying patients on their backs were a good idea...and also got hit in a single metro area that includes 8 of the 12 most population dense areas of the country, where people live in a way they don't live in any other part of the US. NYC didn't fail. It just was way more prone to something like this. You can second guess executives in a lot of places--I certainly second guess my governor's handling--but there were few winning moves on the board in March/April. . Edited July 14, 2020 by shoshin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, realtruelove said: Has anyone here read about this doctor in Texas and his treatment? He says this treatment method is being used in other countries with low death rates. https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/local-doctor-believes-he-has-found-silver-bullet-for-covid-19/513-8cd065d2-dbb5-4814-9cdd-5bb0dae77703 Nothing clinical. An in vitro study did not show success for that particular steroid. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/inhaled-corticosteroids-a-rapid-review-of-the-evidence-for-treatment-or-prevention-of-covid-19/ Other steroids have shown promise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Kemp said: So, you agree with me that the reason NYC was hit so hard is because of population density and comparing it to other parts of the country is ridiculous. From a previous post of yours, I thought you held a different opinion. Curious as to whether you think Fox, Breitbart and similar media are also disastrously bad. Definitely report from a conservative point of view. Sometimes not giving total context it happens it doesn't mean the point of view is inaccurate like with all media there is always bias this is just a fact. What the msm has done has morphed into flat out lying. And they have crossed the line to flat out Un-American---specifically, CNN, MSNBC, The NY Times, and pretty much all of them. Show me the last story of significance they ran that made you informed AND didn't make you think America or Americans were awful. Their garbage is easily challenged and called out regularly. If the Breitbart's and Daily Wires, or Tucker Carlsons were so riddled with falsehoods, lies, and GROSS distortions, you'd be able to easily call them out and refute them. Instead, there are campaigns to strip them of advertising dollars because they are so successful. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, shoshin said: The federalists and antifederalists fought the fight and the antifederalists lost. The states bend the knee to the feds on a lot of issues and national emergency is one, and the feds could have exercised authority either: overtly by mandate, through direct pressure by funding withholding, or indirectly through political pressure/leadership. The federal government went 0 for 3. NYS got hit early when we were still thinking ventilators and laying patients on their backs were a good idea...and also got hit in a single metro area that includes 8 of the 12 most population dense areas of the country, where people live in a way they don't live in any other part of the US. NYC didn't fail. It just was way more prone to something like this. You can second guess executives in a lot of places--I certainly second guess my governor's handling--but there were few winning moves on the board in March/April. . The federal government does not have the capacity or resources to be the primary responder. Everything you mentioned is an after the fact event. It's the same with a pandemic response, as it is with disaster recovery. The Feds come in for the clean up. They are useless in fighting the outbreak. But to address the point directly, there were federal resources thrown at NY, including the hospital ship and help with setting up Javits. Yet, NY did not use those resources and continued to cycle the infected patients through hospitals and nursing homes. Imagine how many more lives would have been saved if the sick were sent to the ship or to Javits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 FL has had 3 straight Tuesdays at about 60 deaths, today at 130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penfield45 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) Conservatives literally believe that all "liberals" collectively conspired with every world government and health organization to tank the economy, force everybody to stay home for a full year, and close all forms of service and entertainment because... they want trump to look bad. Edited July 14, 2020 by Penfield45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, GG said: But to address the point directly, there were federal resources thrown at NY, including the hospital ship and help with setting up Javits. Yet, NY did not use those resources and continued to cycle the infected patients through hospitals and nursing homes. Imagine how many more lives would have been saved if the sick were sent to the ship or to Javits? No one thought it was a good idea to use the ship, Javits, or Central Park tent hospitals. Those were in place for bottom-falls-out emergency. In retrospect, we should have had COVID wards/dedicated spaces (in WNY they had this in May) but in March and April, we were still climbing the knowledge curve. NYC metro's situation was unique in the US and will hopefully remain so. Edited July 14, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, shoshin said: No one thought it was a good idea to use the ship, Javits, or Central Park tent hospitals. Those were in place for bottom-falls-out emergency. In retrospect, we should have had COVID wards/dedicated spaces (in WNY they had this in May) but in March and April, we were still climbing the knowledge curve. NYS's situation was unique in the US and will hopefully remain so. That's the issue though. The cases should have been transferred to those places and not infect the other hospitals and nursing homes. They were transferring sick patients all over the hospital system and made a bad situation worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said: Yikes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, GG said: The federal government does not have the capacity or resources to be the primary responder. They are TRUMP is useless in fighting the outbreak. But to address the point directly, there were federal resources thrown at NY, including the hospital ship TO BE USED FOR NON COVID PATIENTS per DT. Fixed some things for you. BTW - I tought DT proclaimed himself a "war time president" in regards to CV.....coward ran and hid and now you cover for him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 3 hours ago, shoshin said: I've been watching this too but I wonder how much their lag is on this given this warning. Weekly mortality surveillance data include a combination of machine coded and manually coded causes of death collected from death certificates. Percentages of deaths due to PIC are higher among manually coded records than more rapidly available machine coded records. Due to the additional time needed for manual coding, the initially reported PIC percentages may be lower than percentages calculated from final data. Notice they post it days later though as this one was posted June 9 for the week that ended June 4 And if you have been watching it for a while as I have, then you haven't seen any upward adjustments after the fact either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said: WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillStime Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, TH3 said: Fixed some things for you. BTW - I tought DT proclaimed himself a "war time president" in regards to CV.....coward ran and hid and now you cover for him.... Cult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said: and as anticipated, the Houston Story will roll on Twitter... this is now trending im my timeline..4k retweets Are people really this seriously stoopid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said: You know, 100% vs 9.4% -- it's the same thing really right? Numbers are just numbers... Yes, but those 9.4% self-identified as 100%, so therefore you must respect their choice. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said: You know, 100% vs 9.4% -- it's the same thing really right? Numbers are just numbers... That's why they want to shut down schools, future dummy votes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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