Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: NBD I thought this was only a problem in blue states. 1 minute ago, Reality Check said: ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 34 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: NBD either 256 in a state of 20 million people seems serious 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, spartacus said: 256 in a state of 20 million people seems serious Just 256 new hospitalizations As I mentioned NBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: Just 256 new hospitalizations As I mentioned NBD so not serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: I thought this was only a problem in blue states. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Gary M said: How many need ICU? How many have something else? Asking for a friend Safe to assume that Florida is about to follow Texas and Arizona on hospitalizations so it is worth watching closely. 5500 is an incredible number of cases. Trump is unwilling to come up with a plan so he passes to governors. Many governors won't shut anything down so they leave it to mayors/councils. The covid pee in the pool metaphor at work. Wait until you have a low case state next to a high case one--that little advisory of Cuomo's will be nothing. AZ deaths took a big jump today.* * Edit: PHOENIX – The Arizona health department on Wednesday reported 79 new coronavirus deaths, a single-day high, but most were older incidents reclassified based on information in death certificates. Edited June 24, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123719bwiqrb Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 44 minutes ago, shoshin said: Trump is unwilling to come up with a plan so he passes to governors. Many governors won't shut anything down so they leave it to mayors/councils. The covid pee in the pool metaphor at work. Wait until you have a low case state next to a high case one--that little advisory of Cuomo's will be nothing. BUT CHARMIN ULTRA SOFT TOLD ME WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 48 minutes ago, shoshin said: Safe to assume that Florida is about to follow Texas and Arizona on hospitalizations so it is worth watching closely. 5500 is an incredible number of cases. Trump is unwilling to come up with a plan so he passes to governors. Many governors won't shut anything down so they leave it to mayors/councils. The covid pee in the pool metaphor at work. Wait until you have a low case state next to a high case one--that little advisory of Cuomo's will be nothing. AZ deaths took a big jump today.* * Edit: PHOENIX – The Arizona health department on Wednesday reported 79 new coronavirus deaths, a single-day high, but most were older incidents reclassified based on information in death certificates. stop with the fear porn 5500 cases is not a problem as noted below, only 256 were sick, with plenty of hospital space to handle it this should be a non-story BNO Newsroom ✔ @BNODesk Florida also reported 256 new hospitalizations for COVID-19, which is the second-highest daily increase on record. The highest was 265 on May 21. https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1275800274670624769 … BNO Newsroom ✔ @BNODesk NEW: Florida reports record 5,508 new cases of coronavirus and 44 new deaths https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e429 … 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, spartacus said: stop with the fear porn 5500 cases is not a problem as noted below, only 256 were sick, with plenty of hospital space to handle it this should be a non-story They can't push mail-in-ballots if there is no fear. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Covid 19 retrictions are now, 100%, a joke. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/06/23/oregon-county-issues-face-mask-order-exempting-non-white-people/amp/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 hour ago, shoshin said: 5500 is an incredible number of cases. Ummmm, yeah.....sure it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, Beast said: Covid 19 retrictions are now, 100%, a joke. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/06/23/oregon-county-issues-face-mask-order-exempting-non-white-people/amp/ That's ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Texas Travelers Headed to New York, Connecticut Or New Jersey to Quarantine for 14 DaysVisitors from states over a set infection rate will have to quarantine, according to NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo New York, Connecticut and New Jersey will require visitors from states with high infection rates, including Texas, to quarantine for 14 days, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday. "We now have to make sure the rates continue to drop," Cuomo said. "We also have to make sure the virus doesn't come on a plane again." </snip> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Texas Travelers Headed to New York, Connecticut Or New Jersey to Quarantine for 14 DaysVisitors from states over a set infection rate will have to quarantine, according to NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo New York, Connecticut and New Jersey will require visitors from states with high infection rates, including Texas, to quarantine for 14 days, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Wednesday. "We now have to make sure the rates continue to drop," Cuomo said. "We also have to make sure the virus doesn't come on a plane again." </snip> News flash Andrew, people in Texas have cars and trucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, Uncle Joe said: News flash Andrew, people in Texas have cars and trucks. Now, this is just one state, and it may be a tit-for-tat of some sort (did he do this to Florida, too?) But it signals that Cuomo probably does not want business (business travelers, tourists) to get back to usual anytime soon. NYC hardest hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Now, this is just one state, and it may be a tit-for-tat of some sort (did he do this to Florida, too?) But it signals that Cuomo probably does not want business (business travelers, tourists) to get back to usual anytime soon. NYC hardest hit. Maybe it just means he doesn't want another outbreak? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said: Maybe it just means he doesn't want another outbreak? What are the current NYS numbers compared to Texas numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: What are the current NYS numbers compared to Texas numbers? We're about to go to phase 4. We already went through the part they're going through now. I think it's the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: Maybe it just means he doesn't want another outbreak? What evidence exists that locations that went through a high peak have seen a resurgence? All data points to a continuing roll through regions that haven't experienced a true peak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, GG said: What evidence exists that locations that went through a high peak have seen a resurgence? All data points to a continuing roll through regions that haven't experienced a true peak. None that I've seen. Why ask for trouble though? Do you think it's an unreasonable mandate? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: What are the current NYS numbers compared to Texas numbers? Last 10 days Texas has had 37,112 new cases compared to 8,199 in NY 1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said: None that I've seen. Why ask for trouble though? Do you think it's an unreasonable mandate? It's very reasonable - just as it was reasonable for DeSantis to disallow New Yorkers to enter Florida previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 I mean it's all for nothing if we have to shut down again. NY should take care of it's own house before worrying about tourism, IMO. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, Gene Frenkle said: I mean it's all for nothing if we have to shut down again. NY should take care of it's own house before worrying about tourism, IMO. There's no second shutdown coming. That's the fear they're pushing because it's not about Covid. It's about November. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said: It's very reasonable - just as it was reasonable for DeSantis to disallow New Yorkers to enter Florida previously. Yeah, I had zero problem with that as well. Just now, Deranged Rhino said: There's no second shutdown coming. That's the fear they're pushing because it's not about Covid. It's about November. Are you a time traveler? Cause if you're not, that's just like your opinion, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: Are you a time traveler? Cause if you're not, that's just like your opinion, man. No spike from the protests -- despite the most vulnerable people being involved. Keep thinking it's not a manufactured crisis. You've been wrong about most everything else, why stop now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said: We're about to go to phase 4. We already went through the part they're going through now. I think it's the right move. 1/3 to 1/2 of NY population should be immune due to antibodies, if we trust the science he should welcome the business 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 If Republican governors start pushing "fear porn", does that make it real or are they just complicit? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Reality Check said: That was neat. Thanks for posting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, Gene Frenkle said: None that I've seen. Why ask for trouble though? Do you think it's an unreasonable mandate? It's a petty action from a highly insecure governor who's fighting to deflect his role in runaway NYS deaths. Again, with a virus that's infected >8 million people, there should be mounting evidence if there are second waves. The media can't crow about EU numbers falling and being open for over a month, but then sound the alarm about NY 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said: No spike from the protests -- despite the most vulnerable people being involved. Keep thinking it's not a manufactured crisis. You've been wrong about most everything else, why stop now? Yeah dude, I don't know exactly how this virus works. Neither do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, GG said: What evidence exists that locations that went through a high peak have seen a resurgence? I asked this before too. That being said, other places that have gone through a high peak have been able to protect their borders. Here, to overuse this analogy today, we have a pee in the pool problem. What happens in AZ leaks to TX and SoCal. Quote All data points to a continuing roll through regions that haven't experienced a true peak. Limited data set on this so far but yes, we have yet to see a rise in a country that had a peak and reopened. And the states that peaked high are only just starting to reopen. But if you're suggesting the worst is yet to come in FL and TX, it may be. I don't know. Edited June 24, 2020 by shoshin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, shoshin said: I asked this before too. That being said, other places that have gone through a high peak have been able to protect their borders. Here, to overuse this analogy today, we have a pee in the pool problem. What happens in AZ leads to TX and SoCal. Limited data set on this so far but yes, we have yet to see a rise in a country that had a peak and reopened. And the states that peaked high are only just starting to reopen. But if you're suggesting the worst is yet to come in FL and TX, it may be. I don't know. What limited data? 8 million infected around the world. Where are the second waves? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: There's no second shutdown coming. That's the fear they're pushing because it's not about Covid. It's about November. TX Gov Abbott was floating more shutdowns yesterday, so whoever the "they" is, the group of "them" includes a TX Republican governor and it seems like "they" are mostly concerned about "their" fellow Americans. And I hope to hell no state has to backtrack. That would really be the worst case and an indictment of the stupidity of not having a nationwide vision on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, GG said: It's a petty action from a highly insecure governor who's fighting to deflect his role in runaway NYS deaths. Again, with a virus that's infected >8 million people, there should be mounting evidence if there are second waves. The media can't crow about EU numbers falling and being open for over a month, but then sound the alarm about NY Sure, that's your perception. There are two states on that list with Dem governors. Collateral damage? Maybe, just maybe, there isn't an ulterior motive here? I don't know and I really don't care. Better safe than sorry in this case. Texas doesn't need NY anyway and if you think about it, this would be a perfect time to secede. I mean, who would object? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: What limited data? 8 million infected around the world. Where are the second waves? European countries have largely closed borders right now. Easy to keep cases low once you've locked ***** down. There have not been any case rises on reopening in Europe. This could be good tracing, protecting vulnerable, and keeping travel from high case areas out (because you can't track those folks as well). I'm not sure the US can replicate that if we have high case states next to low case states and there's travel between them. But your point was why I was asking about the fact that there has been no resurgence anywhere last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said: Sure, that's your perception. There are two states on that list with Dem governors. Collateral damage? Maybe, just maybe, there isn't an ulterior motive here? I don't know and I really don't care. Better safe than sorry in this case. Texas doesn't need NY anyway and if you think about it, this would be a perfect time to secede. I mean, who would object? I take it you agree that it's a petty move that has no basis in data? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said: Sure, that's your perception. There are two states on that list with Dem governors. Collateral damage? Maybe, just maybe, there isn't an ulterior motive here? I don't know and I really don't care. Better safe than sorry in this case. Texas doesn't need NY anyway and if you think about it, this would be a perfect time to secede. I mean, who would object? Certainly not Texas. It may be a way they can save the Alamo. Heck, it has even survived Ozzy pissing on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, GG said: I take it you agree that it's a petty move that has no basis in data? I thought restricting travel from China saved millions of lives, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: I take it you agree that it's a petty move that has no basis in data? I would agree that it's a justifiably cautious move, with potentially petty overtones. I also agree with taking the cautious approach in this case, regardless of how good it likely makes Cuomo feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, shoshin said: I thought restricting travel from China saved millions of lives, no? I wish China had been upfront about the Wuhan virus. Think about how many more lives could have been saved. Edited June 24, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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