The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Ha!  For a minute there I thought this said we had "power tools" trained on the virus!  I knew all those years I spent messing with my dad's table saw were one day going to come in handy.

 

Yeah, but you'll never get those two fingers back will ya? 

33 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Go Chuck go!

 

Government is great!  We need them to guide us through the darkness

Government is bad!!  They have created the brutal law enforcement system

Government is great!!   They will guide us to rebuild this brutal law enforcement system. 

 

Make up your damn minds will you. 

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Yeah, but you'll never get those two fingers back will ya? 

 

Government is great!  We need them to guide us through the darkness

Government is bad!!  They have created the brutal law enforcement system

Government is great!!   They will guide us to rebuild this brutal law enforcement system. 

 

Make up your damn minds will you. 

Oh so testy Jim boi. How’s the kitchen?

[Chef Jim]

Just now, BillStime said:

Oh so testy Jim boi. How’s the kitchen?

 

Testy??  I'm just pointing out the schizophrenia that the left displays sometimes.  Not sure where you come up with testy.  I said it with a laugh.

 

Not sure how the kitchen is.  Shall I call my wife and ask her?  Is it on fire?  I'm worried now..... 

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Isn't the convention in NC? Or did he move it because of Cooper? 

[whatdrought]

44 minutes ago, Magox said:

Day 3 of the Seattle autonomous experiment

 

 

 

They got their farming degree from Farmville University. 

[jrober38]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

We know a lot more than we did when this all started. You have to look deeper inside the numbers. In California, for example, the higher infection counts are almost all coming out of Los Angeles County. If you know anything about Southern California, you know that there are five contiguous counties that make up the greater LA Area.  These counties are all butted up against each other and people travel between three or four of them each day just going to work.  It seems like the higher LA counts are due as much to increased testing as they are to a spread of a killer virus.

 

At the same time there is not currently, and has never been, ANY significant infections in the other major California metro areas of San Francisco/Oakland, Sacramento or San Diego. 

 

This is true, but it's mostly been confined to urban centres across the country because that's where the population is most dense. I agree that measures should be different from area to area and not necessary blanket rules for entire states. 

 

The stock market crashing today suggests there's real worry about a second wave coming which would be absolutely devastating to the economy. This thing moves like a train and if things break through and it looks like new cases are starting to get out of hand in California, Texas and Florida.

[meazza]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

This is true, but it's mostly been confined to urban centres across the country because that's where the population is most dense. I agree that measures should be different from area to area and not necessary blanket rules for entire states. 

 

The stock market crashing today suggests there's real worry about a second wave coming which would be absolutely devastating to the economy. This thing moves like a train and if things break through and it looks like new cases are starting to get out of hand in California, Texas and Florida.

The stock market doesn’t tell you anything, especially not in one day. 

[Magox]

For the ones who engage in Panic Porn

 

 

 

 

 

It doesn't matter anyway, the people would never comply if there ever was a suggestion of returning back to what was.  That ship has sailed.  

[Deranged Rhino]

1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Isn't the convention in NC? Or did he move it because of Cooper? 

 

They had to move it. I don't think they've landed on a new location yet. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

20 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

They had to move it. I don't think they've landed on a new location yet. 

I saw talk of several locations (Several smaller conventions), but also Texas has welcomed them with open arms. I think they would prefer a “swing” state, but right now they probably have limited options.

Edited June 11, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[B-Man]

11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I saw talk of several locations (Several smaller conventions), but also Texas has welcomed them with open arms. I think they would prefer a “swing” state, but right now they probably have limited options.

 

I would not be surprised if it was Florida,

 

Or even......................................in N.C. as originally planned.

 

 

 

 

[shoshin]

 

[Dante]

They like telegraphing

 

[Big Blitz]

4 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

He's a lefty.

 

 

 

I've seen these reports as "2nd wave."

 

Do people not understand its basically hitting the states it hasn't really hit yet right now.  Specifically California, Arizona, North Carolina, and Texas.

 

The data said they never had a first wave.  

 

 

New cases does not mean today what it meant in March when we had no real idea who was most at risk. 

 

These "new cases" reports must include context now--- Hospitalizations, percent positive, ICUs, and deaths.  And confirm any surges or hospitals overwhelmed.  If those numbers are stable then there is no need to do anything different but stay the course. 

 

And I know someone is going to post increases in Arizona in hospitalizations.  Everyone is watching Arizona (like they did Florida spring breakers and Ozark pool parties).  I've seen the numbers.  77% capacity is normal.  And 30 percent are Covid related.  No one was going to hospitals 6 weeks ago.  Which explains a lot of those increases.  

[MILFHUNTER#518]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I've seen these reports as "2nd wave."

 

Do people not understand its basically hitting the states it hasn't really hit yet right now.  Specifically California, Arizona, North Carolina, and Texas.

 

The data said they never had a first wave.  

 

 

New cases does not mean today what it meant in March when we had no real idea who was most at risk. 

 

These "new cases" reports must include context now--- Hospitalizations, percent positive, ICUs, and deaths.  And confirm any surges or hospitals overwhelmed.  If those numbers are stable then there is no need to do anything different but stay the course. 

 

And I know someone is going to post increases in Arizona in hospitalizations.  Everyone is watching Arizona (like they did Florida spring breakers and Ozark pool parties).  I've seen the numbers.  77% capacity is normal.  And 30 percent are Covid related.  No one was going to hospitals 6 weeks ago.  Which explains a lot of those increases.  

Actually here Albany Med is the powerhouse of healthcare in the Capital District. They are normally at 95-99% capacity, according to the director. To turn a profit, they need to be at 98%. They are openly disregarding Sugar Nipple's edict that hospitals be at 70% of capacity to reopen.

[B-Man]

 

 

“AFTER STATES ROLL BACK LOCKDOWNS” IS THE NARRATIVE, NOT “AFTER MASSIVE PROTESTS VIOLATED SOCIAL DISTANCING RULES.” 

 

 

From the A.P. :   Alarming rise in virus cases as states roll back lockdowns.

 

 

 

[GG]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I've seen these reports as "2nd wave."

 

Do people not understand its basically hitting the states it hasn't really hit yet right now.  Specifically California, Arizona, North Carolina, and Texas.

 

The data said they never had a first wave.  

 

 

New cases does not mean today what it meant in March when we had no real idea who was most at risk. 

 

These "new cases" reports must include context now--- Hospitalizations, percent positive, ICUs, and deaths.  And confirm any surges or hospitals overwhelmed.  If those numbers are stable then there is no need to do anything different but stay the course. 

 

And I know someone is going to post increases in Arizona in hospitalizations.  Everyone is watching Arizona (like they did Florida spring breakers and Ozark pool parties).  I've seen the numbers.  77% capacity is normal.  And 30 percent are Covid related.  No one was going to hospitals 6 weeks ago.  Which explains a lot of those increases.  

 

That's been the point we've been making, and why it was irresponsible for the press to report the recent state increases as a second wave.   A plateau is a much better term, but isn't sensationalist enough.

[Big Blitz]

15 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

“AFTER STATES ROLL BACK LOCKDOWNS” IS THE NARRATIVE, NOT “AFTER MASSIVE PROTESTS VIOLATED SOCIAL DISTANCING RULES.” 

 

 

From the A.P. :   Alarming rise in virus cases as states roll back lockdowns.

 

 

 

 

This is legit one of the funniest things I've ever read in my life...

 

 

"The protests were outdoors, which reduces the likelihood of virus spread, and many participants have worn masks and taken other precautions."

 

 

What "other precautions?"  Omg

[GG]

WSJ has the guts to report something many have been saying for months.

 

 

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How New York’s Coronavirus Response Made the Pandemic Worse

 

New York leaders faced an unanticipated crisis as the new coronavirus overwhelmed the nation’s largest city. Their response was marred by missed warning signs and policies that many health-care workers say put residents at greater risk and led to unnecessary deaths.

In the first few days of March, Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Bill de Blasio assured New Yorkers things were under control. On March 2, Mr. de Blasio tweeted that people should go see a movie.

Only after the disease had gripped the city’s low-income neighborhoods in early March did Gov. Cuomo and Mayor de Blasio mobilize public and private hospitals to create more beds and intensive-care units. The hasty expansion that ensued, led by New York government leaders and hospital administrators, produced mistakes that helped worsen the crisis, health-care workers say.

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The Wall Street Journal talked to nearly 90 front-line doctors, nurses, health-care workers, hospital administrators and government officials, and reviewed emails, legal documents and memos, to analyze what went wrong. Among the missteps they identify:

• Improper patient transfers. Some patients were too sick to have been transferred between hospitals. Squabbling between the Cuomo and de Blasio administrations contributed to an uncoordinated effort.

• Insufficient isolation protocols. Hospitals often mixed infected patients with the uninfected early on, and the virus spread to non-Covid-19 units.

• Inadequate staff planning. Hospitals added hundreds of intensive-care beds but not always enough trained staff, leading to improper treatments and overlooked patients dying alone.

 

• Mixed messages. State, city government and hospital officials kept shifting guidelines about when exposed and ill front-line workers should return to work.

• Overreliance on government sources for key equipment. Hospitals turned to the state and federal government for hundreds of ventilators, but many were faulty or inadequate.

• Procurement-planning gaps. While leaders focused attention on procuring ventilators, hospitals didn’t always provide for adequate supplies of critical resources including oxygen, vital-signs monitors and dialysis machines.

• Incomplete staff-protection policies. Many hospitals provided staff with insufficient protective equipment and testing.

 

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[Hedge]