Warren Zevon Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, GG said: Actually, I don't know what your intentions is, other than tying two things together that didn't happen in reality. Okay 5GG. Watch out for the #DeepState Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 hours ago, JetsFan20 said: I’d let the medical professionals do their jobs and communicate a clear and concise plan to the American people. How do we know we are safe going back to work or sending kids back to school? Am I risking my life by going out to dinner? It’s not just the elderly and unhealthy that are at risk as first reported. Right now all we are hearing is that social distancing is flattening the curve, but we have no idea if cases will surge once again if restrictions are loosened. There is no concrete plan coming out of Washington! Trump from day 1 seemed more worried about the economy (Which was going to be his major re-election platform) than the safety of American lives. All I ask is for my government to not be evasive with me. If Trump came out tomorrow and said “look our country cannot sustain social distancing for however long it’s going to take to come up with a vaccine so we are going to co-sign re-opening businesses at local governments discretion” I would be fine with that. So long as he also informed me of the risk level. Right now he comes across like the mayor in jaws. So the question was “what would you do to put out the fire?” Your answer? Orange Man Bad. Ok you did say you’d let medical professionals do their job. Brilliant!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: One of the reasons Europe got hit so hard was because the tests they were depending on from China were very inaccurate. The experts said in the briefing yesterday that they were working on testing in February and we now have the best testing in the world. Other countries that were hit 3 weeks before us are asking for our tests. The administration’s effort and results on every front has been outstanding so far. Our tests didn't work at first. And "Europe" didn't get hit hard, only parts of it did. Trump has proved himself perfectly incompetent in this affair. He doesn't pay attention to his NSC briefings, he admits that. That has cost lives here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Our tests didn't work at first. And "Europe" didn't get hit hard, only parts of it did. They're about to start playing soccer again in Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Okay 5GG. Watch out for the #DeepState Your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Okay 5GG. Watch out for the #DeepState No really. Why did you mention that thousands have died right after you mention there was a shortage of PPE unless you were making a connection? You’ve been called out on it and this is your best response? Bravo! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 So while Trump huffs and puffs his ignorant bravado, "I have the power!" and his supporters gush over his manly show, real leadership is emerging to meet the challenge Quote The Post reports that New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) organized an alliance of sorts among six Northeastern states, which conducted a public conference call Monday afternoon. “Cuomo was joined by Democratic governors Phil Murphy of New Jersey, Ned Lamont of Connecticut, Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania, John C. Carney Jr. of Delaware and Gina Raimondo of Rhode Island, who agreed to name health, economic and executive point persons in their respective states to work on the regional plan.” In working together, states in close proximity with interconnected economies (e.g., people living in Delaware but working in Pennsylvania) can pool ideas and expertise. Moreover, since the virus does not respect state borders, it makes sense to address knotty questions (e.g., what is an essential service?) on a regional basis. In a joint statement, the governors explained, “The council will create this framework using every tool available to accomplish the goal of easing social isolation without triggering renewed spread — including testing, contact tracing, treatment and social distancing — and will rely on the best available scientific, statistical, social and economic information to manage and evaluate those tools.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: No really. Why did you mention that thousands have died right after you mention there was a shortage of PPE unless you were making a connection? You’ve been called out on it and this is your best response? Bravo! Someone asked if anyone has died because of a lack of PPE. Thousands have died in total - to assume all of those people would be dead if hospitals had adequate amounts of PPE in the beginning of March is ignorant. The disease spread from patients to healthcare providers partly because hospitals were not prepared. Edited April 14, 2020 by Gary Busey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Someone asked if anyone has died because of a lack of PPE. Thousands have died in total - to assume all of those people would be dead if hospitals had adequate amounts of PPE in the beginning of March is ignorant. The disease spread from patients to healthcare providers partly because hospitals were not prepared. Fair enough. You need to work on you syntax however. Edited April 14, 2020 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Someone asked if anyone has died because of a lack of PPE. Thousands have died in total - to assume all of those people would be dead if hospitals had adequate amounts of PPE in the beginning of March is ignorant. The disease spread from patients to healthcare providers partly because hospitals were not prepared. If you were honest about anything, you'd note that the majority of infections of healthcare workers happened early on, when PPE was still in plentiful supply. Which means that very likely, the health workers may not have been as diligent as they are now in following every rule to minimize exposure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Someone asked if anyone has died because of a lack of PPE. Thousands have died in total - to assume all of those people would be dead if hospitals had adequate amounts of PPE in the beginning of March is ignorant. The disease spread from patients to healthcare providers partly because hospitals were not prepared. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, GG said: If you were honest about anything, you'd note that the majority of infections of healthcare workers happened early on, when PPE was still in plentiful supply. I gave you the example I am personally involved with. Doctors and nurses at Buffalo General were using the same N-95 mask mid-February through March 19th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Someone asked if anyone has died because of a lack of PPE. Thousands have died in total - to assume all of those people would be dead if hospitals had adequate amounts of PPE in the beginning of March is ignorant. The disease spread from patients to healthcare providers partly because hospitals were not prepared. It's ignorant to think that people died in the hospitals because of a perceived PPE shortage. Using your Buffalo General example, Erie County has a total of 81 deaths. Where are the thousands of deaths related to PPE shortage? 2 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: I gave you the example I am personally involved with. Doctors and nurses at Buffalo General were using the same N-95 mask mid-February through March 19th. Erie County total deaths are 81 - how many are related to PPE shortage? Is it even a single case? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, GG said: Where are the thousands of deaths related to PPE shortage? I still never said this and have corrected my perceived poor syntax multiple times. Go ***** yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Gary Busey said: I still never said this and have corrected my perceived poor syntax multiple times. Go ***** yourself. That's not how this works, especially given your posting history. If anyone is in need of a thorough self *****, it's not me. Here's your post - uncorrected for any syntax, because it's not a syntax issue, but a point the blame issue. Quote There has been community spread throughout the country partly because hospitals were not prepared with PPE. Thousands have died. How was community spread affected by lack of hospital readiness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: I gave you the example I am personally involved with. Doctors and nurses at Buffalo General were using the same N-95 mask mid-February through March 19th. Thank you for this, I’m not getting into the political aspect or trying to blame anyone, but it’s frustrating to hear random people continue to state there is no PPE shortage. People are so addicted to choosing a “side” these days, that they don’t live in reality. Masks are being used multiple days from boxes that say “do not reuse”. That shouldn’t happen, and hopefully it never happens again. Edited April 14, 2020 by SirAndrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: I still never said this and have corrected my perceived poor syntax multiple times. Go ***** yourself. There is nothing "perceived" about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 33 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Our tests didn't work at first. And "Europe" didn't get hit hard, only parts of it did. Trump has proved himself perfectly incompetent in this affair. He doesn't pay attention to his NSC briefings, he admits that. That has cost lives here We’ve done more than twice as much testing as any other nation. Generally, we’ve done better per capita than most nations as well. If Trump is incompetent, what does that make all the other world leaders who are asking for his help? He has proven to be the opposite of incompetent in this crisis, but whatever makes you sleep at night. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: Thank you for this, I’m not getting into the political aspect or trying to blame anyone, but it’s frustrating to hear random people continue to state there is no PPE shortage. People are so addicted to choosing a “side” these days, that they don’t live in reality. Masks are being used multiple days form boxes that say “do not reuse”. Masks are supposed to be single use for a reason. We had and have a ppe shortage. And that’s just with masks and gowns. Wr seem to be getting more on top of it now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Troll Toll said: We’ve done more than twice as much testing as any other nation. Generally, we’ve done better per capita than most nations as well. If Trump is incompetent, what does that make all the other world leaders who are asking for his help? He has proven to be the opposite of incompetent in this crisis, but whatever makes you sleep at night. Did we test at first to prevent the spread, or was Trump still calling it a hoax? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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