Nanker Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Called the FBI probe intrusive and exculpatory evidence not presented to FISA Court. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: Important to keep in mind: Illegal post dumb ass! See, DR is just a bot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Although not mentioned in the EC, at the time, FBI officials involved in opening the investigation had reason to believe that Russia may have been connected to the Wikileaks disclosures that occurred earlier in July 2016, and were aware of information regarding Russia's efforts to interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections. These officials, though, did not become aware of Steele's election reporting until weeks later and we therefore determined that Steele's reports played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening. Breaking news: Horowitz is part of the Deep State in 3...2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nanker said: Barr’s really on fire. And corrupt as hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, snafu said: What, actually, is your objection to people posting tweets? Many times they contain links to either news articles or to source documents. Very often, tweets contain information that NOT being reported by the media. Other times (like with memes), when they don't they're just reflective of a point or opinion that someone wants to make. He's just a broken mind. Nothing more. 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: link? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, John Adams said: Breaking news: Horowitz is part of the Deep State in 3...2... That's funny! I dare you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Quote We concluded that the failures described above and in this report represent serious performance failures by the supervisory and non-supervisory agents with responsibility over the FISA applications. These failures prevented OI from fully performing its gatekeeper function and deprived the decision makers the opportunity to make fully informed decisions. Although some of the factual misstatements and omissions we found in this review were arguably more significant than others, we believe t hat all of them taken together resulted in FISA applications that made it appear that the information supporting probable cause was stronger than was actually the case. We identified at least 17 significant errors or omissions in the Carter Page FISA applications, and many additional errors in the Woods Procedures. These errors and omissions resulted from case agents providing wrong or incomplete information to OI and failing to flag important issues for discussion. While we did not find documentary or testimonial evidence of intentional misconduct on the part of the case agents who assisted OI in preparing the applications, or the agents and supervisors who performed the Woods Procedures, we also did not receive satisfactory explanations for the errors or problems we identified. In most instances, t he agents and supervisors told us that they either did not know or recall why the information was not shared with OI, that the failure to do so may have been an oversight, that they did not recognize at t he time the relevance of t he information to the FISA application, or that they did not believe the missing information to be significant . On this last point, we believe that case agents may have improperly substituted their own judgments in place of the judgment of OI, or in place of the court, to weigh the probative value of the information. Basically, a bunch of people ***** up, and engaged in wishful thinking. Whole lotta nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Once Admiral Rodgers dried up the ability for pre coup people to illegally obtain information by domestic spying the pre coup people went to the FISA court to get a warrant on Carter Page. It was turned down until they put the Dossier into the request. They then obtained a warrant. This was sworn to by Andy McCabe. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: Although not mentioned in the EC, at the time, FBI officials involved in opening the investigation had reason to believe that Russia may have been connected to the Wikileaks disclosures that occurred earlier in July 2016, and were aware of information regarding Russia's efforts to interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections. These officials, though, did not become aware of Steele's election reporting until weeks later and we therefore determined that Steele's reports played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening. Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, snafu said: What, actually, is your objection to people posting tweets? Many times they contain links to either news articles or to source documents. Very often, tweets contain information that NOT being reported by the media. Other times (like with memes), when they don't they're just reflective of a point or opinion that someone wants to make. .. he's broken. he wants to discourage the proliferation of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: Basically, a bunch of people ***** up, and engaged in wishful thinking. Whole lotta nothing. But they knew a collusion with Russia when they saw it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Basically, a bunch of people ***** up, and engaged in wishful thinking. Whole lotta nothing. People sometimes are crappy at their jobs, even in government. And prison guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: But they knew a collusion with Russia when they saw it Oh, shut the ***** up, you ***** dumbass. The report says they didn't even have enough suspicion of a Russian connection to investigate it. And you're still going to pretend "Russian collusion" is a fact? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, John Adams said: The occasional Tweet makes sense. Some posters spam the board with Tweets. "We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions to open the four individual investigations." Bad day for DR, but keep the narratives alive! Something awful might still happen to the country. Is that your informed opinion after reading and analyzing the nearly 500 page report? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: link? “Malfeasance detailed in IG Report reflects a clear abuse of FISA process.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, John Adams said: People sometimes are crappy at their jobs, even in government. And prison guards. Yes...but that's not going to stop me from spinning ridiculous conspiracy theories out of this one, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, John Adams said: The occasional Tweet makes sense. Some posters spam the board with Tweets. "We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions to open the four individual investigations." Bad day for DR, but keep the narratives alive! Something awful might still happen to the country. I haven't had the chance to review the report yet. How many minutes ago was it released? Seems like you got to the nub of the conclusion pretty quickly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Is that your informed opinion after reading and analyzing the nearly 500 page report? Ask yourself -- or anyone who still bothers to pay attention to the nonsense JA writes -- if he's as objective as he claims, why is he rushing to spike the ball without reading the report. It's ***** damning and destroys the narrative that's been pumped into people's minds for two years. He's making definitive conclusions already -- why? Because he's broken. He's not honest, he doesn't care about finding truth -- he just wants his own opinions confirmed. He's an asshat. Not worth the time. Just now, snafu said: I haven't had the chance to review the report yet. How many minutes ago was it released? Seems like you got to the nub of the conclusion pretty quickly. No! He's an objective observer! He's not a programmed lemming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, snafu said: I haven't had the chance to review the report yet. How many minutes ago was it released? Seems like you got to the nub of the conclusion pretty quickly. It's in the first couple of pages of the report. I'm on page 6 - how about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Is that your informed opinion after reading and analyzing the nearly 500 page report? This is gonna be a slog. This is one of the rare occasions I wish I was an attorney and/or knew federal procedures as I understand what seems like unimportant or insignificant words to a layperson can mean "you're in a heap a trouble" under the law. Edited December 9, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, snafu said: I haven't had the chance to review the report yet. How many minutes ago was it released? Seems like you got to the nub of the conclusion pretty quickly. You do realize the report leads with its conclusion, don't you? I, uh, quoted it. DR will spin this into a win. Have no fear. The next big thing will be the REAL big thing. He's serious this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Ask yourself -- or anyone who still bothers to pay attention to the nonsense JA writes -- if he's as objective as he claims, why is he rushing to spike the ball without reading the report. 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's ***** damning and destroys the narrative that's been pumped into people's minds for two years. Must of been a fast 500 pages. But he's definitely the only one coming in with a bias. Edited December 9, 2019 by Warcodered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Quote 8. The Department's Office of Professional Responsibility should review our findings related to the conduct of Department attorney Bruce Ohr for any action it deems appropriate. Ohr's current supervisors in the Department's Criminal Division should also review our findings related to Ohr's performance for any action they deem appropriate. 9. The FBI should review the performance of all employees who had responsibility for the preparation, Woods review, or approval of the FISA applications, as well as the managers, supervisors, and senior officials in the chain of command of the Carter Page investigation, for any action deemed appropriate. Looks like some people are going to get it in the back of the neck for their stupidity, though. But not Ohr. He's going to get ass-*****. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, John Adams said: You do realize the report leads with its conclusion, don't you? I, uh, quoted it. And proved that you're an unmitigated asshat in the process. Good work. Read the contents then get back to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Ask yourself -- or anyone who still bothers to pay attention to the nonsense JA writes -- if he's as objective as he claims, why is he rushing to spike the ball without reading the report. It's ***** damning and destroys the narrative that's been pumped into people's minds for two years. He's making definitive conclusions already -- why? Because he's broken. He's not honest, he doesn't care about finding truth -- he just wants his own opinions confirmed. I made one definitive conclusion. You will spin this into good news for your narrative. I'll stick with that. 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: asshat. DRINK! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, snafu said: I haven't had the chance to review the report yet. How many minutes ago was it released? Seems like you got to the nub of the conclusion pretty quickly. The benefit of having people namely his handlers do the heavy lifting. Tibs/ JA/ Gary Busey is certainly having his support team run their asses off for the supposed benefit of swaying the opinion of a few sports fans in one of the smaller markets of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, John Adams said: I made one definitive conclusion. You made the conclusion that nothing wrong was done. That everything was disproven. You were wrong. Are wrong. And are going to look REALLY silly. And you will have earned every bit of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Oh, shut the ***** up, you ***** dumbass. The report says they didn't even have enough suspicion of a Russian connection to investigate it. And you're still going to pretend "Russian collusion" is a fact? No you shut up The report acknowledged the had reason to investigate something we all know happened, even your dumb dishonest ass and FU, for good measure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Oops. This is bad. Real bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, John Adams said: I made one definitive conclusion. You will spin this into good news for your narrative. I'll stick with that. DRINK! You're really bad at this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Horowitz:FBI Attorney who altered email referred for criminal investigation. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Ask yourself -- or anyone who still bothers to pay attention to the nonsense JA writes -- if he's as objective as he claims, why is he rushing to spike the ball without reading the report. It's ***** damning and destroys the narrative that's been pumped into people's minds for two years. He's making definitive conclusions already -- why? Because he's broken. He's not honest, he doesn't care about finding truth -- he just wants his own opinions confirmed. He's an asshat. Not worth the time. No! He's an objective observer! He's not a programmed lemming. Huff post tells JA everything he needs to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: This is gonna be a slug. This is one of the rare occasions I wish I was an attorney and/or knew federal procedures as I understand what seems like unimportant or insignificant words to a layperson can mean "you're in a heap a trouble" under the law. Ya, Obama and Comey to jail soon, right? Stone is is actually in jail now for lying about exactly what this investigation was started for So much treason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Nanker said: Horowitz:FBI Attorney who altered email referred for criminal investigation. Clinesmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: Oops. This is bad. Real bad. More links? You scum bag f icky Paid poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Gary Busey said: It's in the first couple of pages of the report. I'm on page 6 - how about you? I'm at work. Won't begin to read it until tonite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 just a question here before we get too far along in the threads... i don't know a whole lot about @BillsFanNC but an he be trusted not to delete the thread if it doesn't go the way he wants? again, i am not intending to disparage him/her in any way, i just know from past experience that this has happened before with certain posters and i don't want to lose the posterity this will contain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 One interesting thing to come out of this that's going to be completely glossed over in the "Orange Man Bad" debate: the FISA application process had really weak safeguards. One would hope that a secret surveillance warrant process would have stronger requirements for issuing the warrant...but apparently, agents could easily cherry-pick the evidence they wanted to present with little in the way of supervision or oversight. That's encouraging. Just what I want in a secret surveillance warrant process. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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