OIG FISA Report Discussion and the real reason for the FBI Mar-a-Lago raid

[B-Man]

HE ISN’T WRONG: Trump on IG Report: ‘This Was an Attempted Overthrow… We Caught ‘em Red-Handed.’ 

 

“And a lot of people were in on it and they got caught. They got caught red-handed. And I look forward to the Durham report, which is coming out in the not-too-distant future. He’s got his own information, which is this information plus, plus, plus. It’s an incredible thing that happened and we’re lucky we caught them.”

 

 

 

Also: AG Bill Barr Just Issued a Translation of the DOJ IG Report & It’s a Red-Hot Rebuke of ‘Intrusive’ Spying on Trump.

 

 

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

56 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

What in the world is msm???

 

I read more news out there than the average Joe. Certainly more than 3 paragraph headlines. And I cross reference and triangulate between works.

 

But I'm not reading 1100 pages of dryly written source material largely written in legal and political lingo.

 

You guys are just better than me if that's what you enjoy doing.

"msm" = main stream media... I've demoted them to small letters as they are not worth much more than that. I could call them American-Pravda, it would be a pretty fair description.  

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

"msm" = main stream media... I've demoted them to small letters as they are not worth much more than that. I could call them American-Pravda, it would be a pretty fair description.  

YJ, ie. Yellow Journalism might also fit the bill. 

[SugarCone]

Long time lurker, first time poster - it seems painfully obvious that the collective cannot honor @BillsFanNC's request to avoid link spamming, and to provide some original analysis or commentary of the document.  

I appreciate that other folks have insights - but if people wanted to put their mouths on the Twitter fire hose they could go directly to Twitter.    

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, SugarCone said:

Long time lurker, first time poster - it seems painfully obvious that the collective cannot honor @BillsFanNC's request to avoid link spamming, and to provide some original analysis or commentary of the document.  

I appreciate that other folks have insights - but if people wanted to put their mouths on the Twitter fire hose they could go directly to Twitter.    

 

This is an argument put forth from time to time down here. There are several reasons for dropping a twitter link: the article contained within the tweet (so basically crediting the found source) and the twitter threads (some of the people on twitter do not write for a site, but rather put together sourced commentary in the form of a twitter thread). Additionally, twitter posts can bring about additional comment from the posters in PPP on the subject. ? 

 

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, SugarCone said:

Long time lurker, first time poster - it seems painfully obvious that the collective cannot honor @BillsFanNC's request to avoid link spamming, and to provide some original analysis or commentary of the document.  

I appreciate that other folks have insights - but if people wanted to put their mouths on the Twitter fire hose they could go directly to Twitter.    

 

Ah, so you're in favor of not posting research by anyone other than yourself?

[John Adams]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You're terrible at this. 

 

DRINK! 

 

DR is awake: Let the Tweetstorm begin. 

 

 

[SugarCone]

I don't think its unfair to request the OP's original intent for the thread that he created.  I happened to agree with the sentiment that a more fruitful discussion can be had if the thread is not bombarded by commentary at a rate that seems to discourage continuity of ideas and thoughts.

[Buffalo_Gal]

5 minutes ago, SugarCone said:

I don't think its unfair to request the OP's original intent for the thread that he created.  I happened to agree with the sentiment that a more fruitful discussion can be had if the thread is not bombarded by commentary at a rate that seems to discourage continuity of ideas and thoughts.

That is a very nice sentiment. I think you are going to be disappointed, however. 

Edited December 10, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal

[Taro T]

4 minutes ago, SugarCone said:

I don't think its unfair to request the OP's original intent for the thread that he created.  I happened to agree with the sentiment that a more fruitful discussion can be had if the thread is not bombarded by commentary at a rate that seems to discourage continuity of ideas and thoughts.

 

Except even the OP recognized that asking this thread to remain pristine (for lack of a better word) to only thoughts elicited from 1st hand reading of the FISA report by members of this community would have been better had he waited until after the 400+ page report had been out long enough for people to have actually read it.

 

This thread would be very empty at present as almost all of us have day jobs and at best nobody has made it past the executive summary at present.  (With DR a potential notable exception to having only read that far.)

[John Adams]

22 minutes ago, SugarCone said:

I appreciate that other folks have insights - but if people wanted to put their mouths on the Twitter fire hose they could go directly to Twitter.    

 

Good luck with this. They prefer someone else go to Twitter, filter their feed, and spit it out here. 

 

And as a new poster with 2 posts, you'll be predicted to be fake in 3....2...

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, John Adams said:

 

Good luck with this. They prefer someone else go to Twitter, filter their feed, and spit it out here. 

 

And as a new poster with 2 posts, you'll be predicted to be fake in 3....2...

 

Why do you bother replying to yourself?  You're really bad at this.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Foxx]

14 minutes ago, SugarCone said:

I don't think its unfair to request the OP's original intent for the thread that he created.  I happened to agree with the sentiment that a more fruitful discussion can be had if the thread is not bombarded by commentary at a rate that seems to discourage continuity of ideas and thoughts.

ummm... multiple, different trains of thought are what comprise a thread. bringing in information only helps that discourse to be not only informed but lively. i am going to assume you can follow more than one train of thought at a time due to your being,  'a long time lurker'.

[BillsFanNC]

9 minutes ago, SugarCone said:

I don't think its unfair to request the OP's original intent for the thread that he created.  I happened to agree with the sentiment that a more fruitful discussion can be had if the thread is not bombarded by commentary at a rate that seems to discourage continuity of ideas and thoughts.

 

Intent was exactly as stated in OP.  To have discussion of contents of report with opinions only being from board members who have read or are reading the report and not outsourced to media and twitterverse.  I did not start the thread with the intent of making it an official business as usual PPP thread of the OIG FISA release, but that's what it turned into and that is where it shall stay.  It's my fault for not stating that clear enough in OP and for starting it two days before release.  Nevertheless, here we are and there is nothing stopping someone else from starting a book club style discussion thread dealing with the OIG FISA report.

[Foxx]

4 minutes ago, John Adams said:

 

Good luck with this. They prefer someone else go to Twitter, filter their feed, and spit it out here. 

 

And as a new poster with 2 posts, you'll be predicted to be fake in 3....2...

must you always be an asshat? what do you have against the proliferation of information? because most of it is rational and makes sense that goes against your would have narrative? information only enhances the formation of opinions. it would appear that you would prefer uninformed opinions be developed, how sad is that.

 

just piss off would you, you really add nothing here. if you could be genuine, you would contribute a much needed counter point, yet you can't do it so ... just piss off.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And yet you can't give two sentences about who Joseph Mifsud is or why he matters... because you're so informed. 

 

Right.  

 

You're terrible at this. 

 

Can't?

 

Not true.

 

Won't?

 

True.

 

You clearly believe he's a smoking gun.  Based off everything I know about him I think you're really reaching and making A LOT of assumptions.  So I genuinely want to know what you know about him.

 

Prove to me you aren't just trying to win an argument.  Educate me and stop blatantly lying about things I say.  Your anger is blinding you a bit.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Can't?

 

Not true.

 

Won't?

 

True.

 

Because you don't know dick. And you keep proving it  

 

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

You clearly believe he's a smoking gun. 

 

Proving I'm correct, you don't know dick. 

 

I didn't believe he was a smoking gun. The STEELE DOSSIER and CROSSFIRE HURRICANE teams did. And the media. For TWO YEARS. 

 

You're embarrassing yourself now. 

 

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Based off everything I know about him 

 

Which is nothing, as you just proved above. 
 

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I think you're really reaching and making A LOT of assumptions. 

 

The only thing I've said about him to you is asking YOU for your opinion on him after you posted an article a week ago littered with falsehoods. 

 

YOU'RE BAD AT THIS. 

 

Now, go run away and pretend like you're informed when you're just an NPC lemming. 

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

be better than that.

 

no comment on the gist of my post?

 

My comment is that you're making a lot of assumptions and are now trying to twist the narrative on a nearly 500 page report that spanned a very very long time and was advertised over here as an ultimate presentation in objectivity.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

My comment is that you're making a lot of assumptions and are now trying to twist the narrative on a nearly 500 page report that spanned a very very long time and was advertised over here as an ultimate presentation in objectivity.

 

Your comments show you don't know anything about this topic. 

 

And instead of owning it, you're trying to project your ignorance onto others. 

 

It's a weak game, and one you're playing poorly. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

@transplantbillsfan I'll make it easy for you... first 10 seconds:
 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[SugarCone]

14 minutes ago, Foxx said:

ummm... multiple, different trains of thought are what comprise a thread. bringing in information only helps that discourse to be not only informed but lively. i am going to assume you can follow more than one train of thought at a time due to your being,  'a long time lurker'.

 

Anyone can post links to external sources, they are a dime a dozen and can be chosen to support any view point.  The value of the discussion is people spending time crafting thoughtful responses with the intent to gain genuine understanding.  I do not think I am alone in the view that these threads can be more of a source of discussion than a place to see regurgitated content. 

Edited December 10, 2019 by SugarCone

[transplantbillsfan]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Your comments show you don't know anything about this topic. 

 

And instead of owning it, you're trying to project your ignorance onto others. 

 

It's a weak game, and one you're playing poorly. 

 

What comments are those?

 

Why are you running away from this?  You clearly have plenty of time on your hands to educate me.  So educate me.

 

I don't have the time for this banter.

 

I know who Joseph Misfud is.  I'm not lying about that like you lied about what I said about only knowing about the guy from what I heard on Fox News.  Don't know why you lied so blatantly like that.  Disappointing.

 

So, what am I missing?  Please tell me what it is I need to know about him that will totally blow my mind and shift my perspective.

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, SugarCone said:

 

Anyone can post links to external sources, they are a dime a dozen and can be chosen to support any view point.  The value of the discussion is people spending time crafting thoughtful responses with the intent to gain genuine understanding.  I do not think I am alone in the view that these threads can be more of a source of discussion as a post to see regurgitated content. 

 

Years were spent writing thoughtful responses, backed by undisputed evidence. Years. 

 

This is the end game. No more time for hand holding. Time for people to do their own work. The links provided more often than not contain primary source documentation which you can read and vet for yourself. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, SugarCone said:

 

Anyone can post links to external sources, they are a dime a dozen and can be chosen to support any view point.  The value of the discussion is people spending time crafting thoughtful responses with the intent to gain genuine understanding.  I do not think I am alone in the view that these threads can be more of a source of discussion as a post to see regurgitated content. 

So, have you slogged through the whole report (I am only halfway through)? What is your opinion of it? Pretty damning for top tier FBI people from the Obama administration in through their firing by President Trump, huh? 

 

[transplantbillsfan]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

@transplantbillsfan I'll make it easy for you... first 10 seconds:
 

 

 

No Youtube on my current server.

 

What does it state?

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

No Youtube on my current server.

 

What does it state?

For ***** sake... 

I am trying really hard to take you at your word that you are not trolling, you understand the genesis and set-up of this soft-coup, and that you want to learn. You are not making it easy.

Edited December 10, 2019 by Buffalo_Gal

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, transplantbillsfan said:

 

What comments are those?

 

You're embarrassing yourself now. 

 

1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Why are you running away from this?  You clearly have plenty of time on your hands to educate me.  So educate me.

 

I'm on the road -- and the only one running is you. And you've been running for weeks now on this question. You have already tried and failed to turn this on me, it didn't work. Isn't working. And all it makes you look like is an ignorant asshat who thinks he's clever. 

 

You're posting history shows you're not. At all. 

 

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

I don't have the time for this banter.

 

Things a coward says.

 

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I know who Joseph Misfud is. 

 

Who is he? Why does he matter? 

 

Go.

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

For ***** sake... 

 

He's not worth the time. I tried. He's just another clown.

[SugarCone]

2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Years were spent writing thoughtful responses, backed by undisputed evidence. Years. 

 

This is the end game. No more time for hand holding. Time for people to do their own work. The links provided more often than not contain primary source documentation which you can read and vet for yourself. 

 

I just think this might not be the place for the "end game", you might choose a medium that suits your style of screaming into the void - like twitter.  https://twitter.com/derangedrhino
 

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

He's not worth the time. I tried. He's just another clown.

I am rapidly coming to that conclusion. It is disappointing. 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, SugarCone said:

 

I just think this might not be the place for the "end game", you might choose a medium that suits your style of screaming into the void - like twitter.  https://twitter.com/derangedrhino
 

 

You ask for thoughtful responses. 

 

No one down here has taken more time or spent more energy doing exactly that over the past three years on this subject. 

 

***** off. 

[Foxx]

20 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

My comment is that you're making a lot of assumptions and are now trying to twist the narrative on a nearly 500 page report that spanned a very very long time and was advertised over here as an ultimate presentation in objectivity.

really? commenting that 17 'mistakes' that were warranted for inclusion in the report, all fell one way seems to indicate a bias is making a lot of assumptions? wow, you are off your rocker, transplant. i tried being civil with you and even being nice to you because you have expressed a tenderness that you hurt when being confronted with brutal truthfulness and this is how you choose to interact. 

 

i may have to re-evaluate my decision on how to engage with you. as is my right since you are going to lose our bet.

Edited December 10, 2019 by Foxx

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, SugarCone said:

 

I just think this might not be the place for the "end game", you might choose a medium that suits your style of screaming into the void - like twitter.  https://twitter.com/derangedrhino
 

I'm not certain what you are trying to prove or gain here. Either hop in with real discussion, or you will end up ignored (as in the 'blocked' sense of the word).

 

[transplantbillsfan]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

For ***** sake... 

I am trying really hard to take you at your word that you are not trolling, you understand the genesis and set-up of this soft-coup, and that you want to learn. You are not making it easy.

 

I'm telling the truth.

 

No Youtube access.

 

Get frustrated if you want, but that's the truth.

 

Is Youtube really the place to go for this irrefutably sourced evidence?

[Deranged Rhino]

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

I'm telling the truth.

 

No Youtube access.

 

Get frustrated if you want, but that's the truth.

 

Is Youtube really the place to go for this irrefutably sourced evidence?

 

You don't know what she linked (which was an interview from first hand people involved in the matter) yet you still think it's not good evidence because it came from YouTube. 

 

Things NPCs say. 

 

You're TERRIBLE at this.

[B-Man]

11 minutes ago, SugarCone said:

 

Anyone can post links to external sources, they are a dime a dozen and can be chosen to support any view point.  The value of the discussion is people spending time crafting thoughtful responses with the intent to gain genuine understanding.  I do not think I am alone in the view that these threads can be more of a source of discussion than a place to see regurgitated content. 

 

 

Gosh............that sounds familiar.

 

 

[SugarCone]

12 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Gosh............that sounds familiar.

 

 

 

 

I'd be happy to hop on discord or something if you're interested.   I don't know why your first inclination is I am the same person as someone else?   

 

Or - I'll DM you my phone number and we can chat. 

Edited December 10, 2019 by SugarCone

[Deranged Rhino]

1 minute ago, SugarCone said:

 

 

I'd be happy to hop on discord or something if you're interested.   I don't know why your first inclination is I am the same person as someone else?   

 

Or - I'll DM you my phone number and we can chat. 

 

If you were really the luker you say you are, you'd know... 

 

Just saying.